Look, one thing we can all agree on is that there'd never be any gay slurs at RU if we had a new Field House.
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We're not discussing an adult. This is a teenager struggling with his sexual orientation, who came from an environment that was not safe. He walked into a new environment and likely heard 'Fag', 'Homo', and other slurs used more casually and frequently than all the other slurs combined. That's a typical experience for a young gay athlete. Still. Most everywhere. Even at RU. In NJ. In 2024.
The vast majority of guys using that language are not homophobic. They are typically young guys horsing around, without a clue. I suspect most of our players will take this as a learning experience, and perhaps edit themselves a bit going forward. I'm not so sure about some of the posters on this board.
I'm glad that Jake is healthy, and I hope he's happy at RU.
Go Knights!
The vast majority of guys using that language are not homophobic. They are typically young guys horsing around, without a clue. I suspect most of our players will take this as a learning experience, and perhaps edit themselves a bit going forward. I'm not so sure about some of the posters on this board.
I'm glad that Jake is healthy, and I hope he's happy at RU.
Go Knights!
This isn't hard to understand. No one cares if you want to bang a partner, male or female, through the backdoor. No third party is going to make you feel bad for that.
Problem is, you do care - to a creepily deep level - about those who disagree with your take. And for some reason that no one understands, you feel the need to impose your own views on them ("no guy should"). And use dubious statistics to do so. That's the problem.
Stop doing that and no one will ostracize you for your "phobia." Otherwise, keep stepping in dog sht.
Are you saying that because you are a raging Homophobe, that we have to accept that from you because it is a disease?
Disagree. Everyone 10 years old and up knows those are demeaning, derogatory terms. They all ‘have a clue.’
I hadn't followed the Fitz story - this is simply outrageous stuff for any athlete to have put up with, gay or not. Sounds way worse than naked FT shooting under Bannon. But yeah, locker rooms are bastions of inclusion and understanding.Wonder how a gay player would have felt in the Northwestern locker room a couple of years ago before Fitz was canned.
- "Running": A punishment that "consisted of 8-10 upperclassmen, dressed in masks, holding down a player, and dry humping the player in a dark locker room."
- "Shrek claps": When "upperclassmen on the team would run around" a player who made a mistake in practice "while clapping their hands above the head" of the teammate.
- "Carwash": A "tradition" that consisted of "players lining up, standing naked, and spinning around the entrance of the showers so that all freshman players were forced to rub up against the line of men to get to their showers."
- "Naked center-quarterback exchange": Another "tradition" that called for freshmen to execute a routine center-quarterback snap while both were naked.
- "Gatorade shake challenge": When freshmen were forced to drink as many Gatorade shakes as possible in 10 minutes, and if they refused they would be subjected to "running."
Northwestern football hazing included naked human 'carwashes,' lawsuit says
It's the first civil action taken since longtime Wildcats coach Pat Fitzgerald was fired last week.www.nbcnews.com
True. They (we?) know the language is demeaning. Yet groups of young male athletes use the terms carelessly in the moment, clueless as to impact.
I wouldn't equate "right of center" with "not accepting of homosexuality" (though there is certainly an overlap in a Venn Diagram). Kids today may be "fed up and angry", but they are also more tolerant of other lifestyles. I can give you a personal example...when I was at PSU in the late 90s, I had a neighbor across the hall that would wear a tshirt in public of the Trix Rabbit that said "silly Fa***t, Dicks are for Chicks". I highly doubt that anyone on a college campus would comfortable to wear that shirt in 2024. Thankfully, people are generally more comfortable in coming out of the closet today than in prior generations, even if you think that kids today are "much meaner".
If you're going to invoke my name, at least try to get it right. While the volume doesn't bother me, I've never said that means it doesn't bother anyone else - all I've said is our board, which I've acknowledged is fairly heavily against the current volume levels, is not representative of the entire fanbase (especially students), so I'd like to see some data before making a change.
On the topic at hand, you've made some very good points, however, and my experience with young people is similar to yours (also have close family members and kids of close friends who are gay and have had frank discussions about what goes on in colleges and locker rooms, as some of these young folks are athletes).
don't think he's said anything even falls under the definition of homophobic. what did he say that has you thinking he said anything homophobic? In reality, he and other poster hit the nail on the head with any discussion and the 'phobic' gets' thrown around loosely
curious
what's lost here is the old 'sticks and stones ......and all that it implies'
kids are going to say things, zero question about that and zero question you will be able to 'regulate' it away. It's part of the juvenile (key word) experience and maturation process of sorts. I simply refuse to believe kids today have it harder than generations past and especially pre 80s where racial and other type slurs were beyond common. Pretty sure many people on this board have experienced it and yet, no one is cowering in the corner or using it as a crutch.
Don't think most people care if a kid is gay as long he/she not making it an issue. Rutgers HAS had players that were gay and no one knew the wiser.
Lets' all just koombayah the day, it's almost Thanksgiving and RU is on tonight playing Bama. live and let live is key
kids are going to say things, zero question about that and zero question you will be able to 'regulate' it away. It's part of the juvenile (key word) experience and maturation process of sorts. I simply refuse to believe kids today have it harder than generations past and especially pre 80s where racial and other type slurs were beyond common. Pretty sure many people on this board have experienced it and yet, no one is cowering in the corner or using it as a crutch.
Don't think most people care if a kid is gay as long he/she not making it an issue. Rutgers HAS had players that were gay and no one knew the wiser.
Lets' all just koombayah the day, it's almost Thanksgiving and RU is on tonight playing Bama. live and let live is key
have you ever been around female athletes? got news for you, women are far crueler and far more derogatory. Don't let those hugs after every dig in volleyball fool you. lol
With those stories, I'd think it were the "norms" who were abused by the abmorals [sic]. Come to think of it, in that context, gays would be"norms" too, by comparison.
knowing the language is demeaning is plenty damning. are you saying they think it’s beneficial ? C’mon now, they know it’s wrong and it’s not just silly ‘locker room talk’
happens in HS as well, NJ recently had one in the news for hazing/bullying/overt bigotry
Whoops, I conflated yours and al's positions. I usually do tag people when I bring them up, but was in a hurry.
Every single word he said was. He even started his very strange post with defending phobias as disease
The sexual act he defines as “gay” repulses him and he clearly stated it is dirty, not right etc…
He has no clue that the actual sexual act has zero to do with a being homosexual
well I guess we'd need to actually define what is homophobia and homophobic remarks because not seeing anything he posted that would fit the literal translation. The word and application of such has been bastardized so badly it's almost obscene in modern debate. We are seeing that here. I recognize Ashoken riles feathers and is far more direct with some of his 'liturgies' but often it boils down to people being stable (emotionally and intellectually) to actually debate his assertions without resorting to , 'that's racist/homophobic/bigoted.
imho
Reason # 38 why ashokan made my very short IGNORE list.
"Phobias are diagnosable mental disorders."
Phobias: Symptoms, types, causes, and treatment
A phobia is an irrational and overpowering fear. A fear of flying and many other things can stop people doing what they want to, but treatment is available.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
"Childhood phobias occur most commonly between the ages of 5 and 9, and tend to last a short while. Most longer-lasting phobias begin later in life, especially in people in their 20s. Adult phobias tend to last for many years, and they are less likely to go away on their own, unless they are treated. Phobia can increase an adult's risk of other types of psychiatric illness, especially other anxiety disorders, depression, and substance abuse.
Of course recognizing men in women's sports as irrational is not an example of "transphobia" - except to the people who have lost their grounding in common sense and decency.
The "civil rights" movement that came about in response to black oppression by Southern Democrats, was hijacked to be made about white women's careers, behavior transmogrifications, sexual peccadilloes and other things. Thankfully the recent decent into madness has woken most people up to the insanity being seeded into society. The immigrants and minorities were most helpful in that
The old sticks and stones…
So true. I can’t be hurt by words and I’ve never hurt anyone with words because there’s this old adage about “words can never hurt me” that is 100% accurate.
It’s actually impossible, unless you’re a pussy, to be humiliated or be alienated by the words people say.
Other than a pussy, no one has ever been traumatized by anything that wasn’t a physical assault. This is a known fact.
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ok- so, not sure how to classify you. But you have issues with homosexuals, minorities, women, civil rights…"Phobias are diagnosable mental disorders."
Phobias: Symptoms, types, causes, and treatment
A phobia is an irrational and overpowering fear. A fear of flying and many other things can stop people doing what they want to, but treatment is available.
"Childhood phobias occur most commonly between the ages of 5 and 9, and tend to last a short while. Most longer-lasting phobias begin later in life, especially in people in their 20s. Adult phobias tend to last for many years, and they are less likely to go away on their own, unless they are treated. Phobia can increase an adult's risk of other types of psychiatric illness, especially other anxiety disorders, depression, and substance abuse.
Of course recognizing men in women's sports as irrational is not an example of "transphobia" - except to the people who have lost their grounding in common sense and decency.
The "civil rights" movement that came about in response to black oppression by Southern Democrats, was hijacked to be made about white women's careers, behavior transmogrifications, sexual peccadilloes and other things. Thankfully the recent decent into madness has woken most people up to the insanity being seeded into society. The immigrants and minorities were most helpful in that
But since these are all phobias, you should be protected too..,
Got it..,lol
Go find some more articles. You have made yourself clear to any rational person reading your crap.
Are we surprised he says "majority" an then also keeps pushing the fake story kids are pretending to be cats in school?
This is why the country is in the problems it's in, it's a post-fact society for a MINORITY.
I had three of those surgeries in a year when I had colitis, which is now Crohn's. The disease almost killed me. A severe case of colitis will wreck you.
The leading cause of intense homophobia is being conservative and gay.
I don't want to turn things political, but I would agree that politicians of all stripes, the ones who pontificate about family values the most, tend to wind up getting themselves into trouble with sex scandals, often involving minors. The whole "he who doth protest too much" thing.
Some kind of weird overcompensation thing, I guess.
Not really trying to be political here. Just a statement of fact, if you are left leaning it’s much less of a big deal to come out of the closet. The more conservative you are the bigger the ramifications and the less acceptance you’re likely to get from your community. Which means you are more likely to keep it bottled up and be repressed and go mildly insane.
