Georgia Tech Banned From 2020 NCAA Tournament
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Pastner runs a crooked program? What a surprise....and he doesn’t even do that well. He only had 14 wins last year.
I remember when Russ was defending Pastner on here. I think around the time of the Alvarado recruitment. Lol
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Is smarty school GATech going to be the “sin eater” for the big programs?
1 year ban is nothing. Again a slap on wrist for penalties vs benefits gained outweigh
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Is it wrong for me to hope that Oregon is next?
Really amazing. One year ncaa ban. Really does prove cheating pays. When you think about it it’s hard to fathom. It’s one year and back to open for business. They should’ve given us a one year ban in 92. We’d have won the tourney five times by now
In addition to ban:
Four year probation
Fine of $5,000+ 2% ofprogram budget
Loss of one scholarship
Several bans: reductions of recruiting activities
You mean came in literally last minute, swooped in and got Alvarado after he was all but locked in for RU by many sources, Georgia Tech?
I'm shocked! Words cant describe how shocked!
I'm shocked! Words cant describe how shocked!
NCAA doesn't like to go after signature programs. Had a well-connected friend who quoted one college coach as saying "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky that they are going to add another two years to UNLV's probation. As if programs needed more incentives to cheat. You can bet the NCAA is not going to look into the case of Zion Williamson. At least not carefully.
The money fine is a joke. Loss of one scholarship is a joke too. It’s not even worth it to use all of your available scholarships because not all of those guys are going to play and they’ll just go into the portal. The postseason ban is this year so that basically means nothing either because it won’t affect recruiting at all.
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So that’s like banning Rutgers from bowl contention or the college football playoff!?’
I don't know why, but for some reason, reporters Tweeted that Georgia Tech got a post season ban for 2020 like that is the only penalty that they received. Not even close.
In addition to the Institute’s self-imposed penalties and corrective measures, the NCAA levied the following penalties on Georgia Tech:
Four years of probation from Sept. 26, 2019 through Sept. 25, 2023;
A postseason ban for the 2019-20 season;
A fine of two percent of the men’s basketball budget (in addition to a self-imposed $5,000 fine);
A scholarship reduction of seven percent (or one grant-in-aid) during each year of probation (specifically, GT men’s basketball is limited to no more than 12 men’s basketball scholarships during the 2019-20, 2020-21, 2021-22 and 2022-23 academic years);
Recruiting restrictions during each year off probation, including an eight-week ban on unofficial visits, a three-visit reduction from the permissible number of official visits, an eight-week ban on recruiting communications and a 19-day reduction on number of recruiting-person days;
Prohibition from scheduling official visits in conjunction with home men’s basketball competitions during the first two years of probation;
Vacation of team and individual records from the beginning of the 2016-17 season through November 19, 2017 (a total vacation of 22 wins);
Disassociation with former Georgia Tech men’s basketball student-athlete involved in the first violation for a period of three years.
The rules violations have zero to do with the FBI investigation into college basketball.
According to the NCAA investigation, which includes Georgia Tech's own investigation, a former Georgia Tech assistant coach facilitated impermissible recruiting contact between a prospective student-athlete (reportedly Wendell Carter who eventually committed to Duke, and a representative of Georgia Tech's athletic interests during the prospective student-athlete’s official paid visit at multiple locations, including an adult entertainment establishment. The contact resulted in the prospective student-athlete and a Georgia Tech men’s basketball student-athlete who served as host on the visit approximately $664 in impermissible recruiting inducements and benefits.
According to the NCAA, that former coach provided false or misleading information to Georgia Tech and/or NCAA enforcement staff and attempted to influence the men’s basketball student-athlete involved in the incident to provide false or misleading information to Georgia Tech and/or NCAA enforcement staff.
Then there is this crazy guy named Ron Bell who lives in Arizona. This guy is n-u-t-s NUTS. Bell, his girlfriend and Josh Pastner were friends. Imo Pastner's friendship with this guy is similar to a guy dating a cool chick only to find out down the line that she is crazy af.
Anyway, while they were friends, Pastner let this guy hang around the program. Come to practice and even sit on the end of the bench during games.
Well, Georgia Tech uncovered evidence that this guy had a couple of Tech players over to his home in Arizona. There was a pic of the players and the guy in his pool. It was kinda like that hot tub pic with the UNLV players way back in the day. Georgia Tech reported to to the NCAA that Bell provided and/or arranged for approximately $2,424 in impermissible benefits to two Georgia Tech men’s basketball players and a men’s basketball player from another school, and that additionally, Bell impermissibly contacted the men’s basketball player from another school via text messages and phone calls. Because of Bell's relationship with Pastner, the NCAA determined Bell to be "a representative of the institution’s athletics interests," aka a booster.
The guy in Arizona and his girlfriend eventually tried to shake Pastner down for money or they'd tell the NCAA what they did AND claim that Pastner forced himself on the girlfriend. Pastner told his AD about this and they started an investigation and alerted the NCAA. Pastner then filed a lawsuit against Bell and his girlfriend and they filed one against Pastner. Eventually Bell's girlfriend turned on him and admitted that Pastner never forced himself on her. IIRC both sides agreed to drop their lawsuits in lieu of an agreed upon settlement..
I didn't read the entire Georgia Tech NOA but that's the nuts and bolts of it.
Tech has a history of rules violations in basketball. Brian Gregory had to deal with sanctions left over from Paul Hewitt's tenure.
Alvarado really wanted to go to Syracuse but he was not a take for Syracuse. One of the factors that helped Georgia Tech get him was that Alvarado would get a chance to compete against Syracuse.
As far as Georgia Tech coming in last minute, that's a product of when Pastner was hired by Tech (April 2016). Three months later after multiple evaluations he offered Alvarado and it went from there. Once an ACC school, one that has a history with NYC point guards, offered and pushed it was over.
In addition to the Institute’s self-imposed penalties and corrective measures, the NCAA levied the following penalties on Georgia Tech:
Four years of probation from Sept. 26, 2019 through Sept. 25, 2023;
A postseason ban for the 2019-20 season;
A fine of two percent of the men’s basketball budget (in addition to a self-imposed $5,000 fine);
A scholarship reduction of seven percent (or one grant-in-aid) during each year of probation (specifically, GT men’s basketball is limited to no more than 12 men’s basketball scholarships during the 2019-20, 2020-21, 2021-22 and 2022-23 academic years);
Recruiting restrictions during each year off probation, including an eight-week ban on unofficial visits, a three-visit reduction from the permissible number of official visits, an eight-week ban on recruiting communications and a 19-day reduction on number of recruiting-person days;
Prohibition from scheduling official visits in conjunction with home men’s basketball competitions during the first two years of probation;
Vacation of team and individual records from the beginning of the 2016-17 season through November 19, 2017 (a total vacation of 22 wins);
Disassociation with former Georgia Tech men’s basketball student-athlete involved in the first violation for a period of three years.
The rules violations have zero to do with the FBI investigation into college basketball.
According to the NCAA investigation, which includes Georgia Tech's own investigation, a former Georgia Tech assistant coach facilitated impermissible recruiting contact between a prospective student-athlete (reportedly Wendell Carter who eventually committed to Duke, and a representative of Georgia Tech's athletic interests during the prospective student-athlete’s official paid visit at multiple locations, including an adult entertainment establishment. The contact resulted in the prospective student-athlete and a Georgia Tech men’s basketball student-athlete who served as host on the visit approximately $664 in impermissible recruiting inducements and benefits.
According to the NCAA, that former coach provided false or misleading information to Georgia Tech and/or NCAA enforcement staff and attempted to influence the men’s basketball student-athlete involved in the incident to provide false or misleading information to Georgia Tech and/or NCAA enforcement staff.
Then there is this crazy guy named Ron Bell who lives in Arizona. This guy is n-u-t-s NUTS. Bell, his girlfriend and Josh Pastner were friends. Imo Pastner's friendship with this guy is similar to a guy dating a cool chick only to find out down the line that she is crazy af.
Anyway, while they were friends, Pastner let this guy hang around the program. Come to practice and even sit on the end of the bench during games.
Well, Georgia Tech uncovered evidence that this guy had a couple of Tech players over to his home in Arizona. There was a pic of the players and the guy in his pool. It was kinda like that hot tub pic with the UNLV players way back in the day. Georgia Tech reported to to the NCAA that Bell provided and/or arranged for approximately $2,424 in impermissible benefits to two Georgia Tech men’s basketball players and a men’s basketball player from another school, and that additionally, Bell impermissibly contacted the men’s basketball player from another school via text messages and phone calls. Because of Bell's relationship with Pastner, the NCAA determined Bell to be "a representative of the institution’s athletics interests," aka a booster.
The guy in Arizona and his girlfriend eventually tried to shake Pastner down for money or they'd tell the NCAA what they did AND claim that Pastner forced himself on the girlfriend. Pastner told his AD about this and they started an investigation and alerted the NCAA. Pastner then filed a lawsuit against Bell and his girlfriend and they filed one against Pastner. Eventually Bell's girlfriend turned on him and admitted that Pastner never forced himself on her. IIRC both sides agreed to drop their lawsuits in lieu of an agreed upon settlement..
I didn't read the entire Georgia Tech NOA but that's the nuts and bolts of it.
Tech has a history of rules violations in basketball. Brian Gregory had to deal with sanctions left over from Paul Hewitt's tenure.
Those sources were wrong. Kinda like all of those people who were predicting Montez Mathis to Connecticut.
Alvarado really wanted to go to Syracuse but he was not a take for Syracuse. One of the factors that helped Georgia Tech get him was that Alvarado would get a chance to compete against Syracuse.
As far as Georgia Tech coming in last minute, that's a product of when Pastner was hired by Tech (April 2016). Three months later after multiple evaluations he offered Alvarado and it went from there. Once an ACC school, one that has a history with NYC point guards, offered and pushed it was over.
To sum up, virtually nothing of consequence. How many current teams actually have 13 legitimate scholarships players on roster? Postseason ban FOR THIS SEASON has zero effect on recruiting. The other stuff is window dressing.
Eh who cares. He's a much inferior player to McConnell
How is it nothing of consequence. I read your comment and then read Russ's. We must be reading two separate things. Imagine if we weren't allowed to bring recruits to our home games for two years? Or had a 2 month ban on unofficial visits and just contacting the recruits by phone or text? That's how smaller programs make it across the finish line with legit recruits..the little things. And you think that's nothing...what???
The loss of a scholarship, even just one, for any program is a big deal. What if that scholarship for us was McConnell, Johnson, or yeboah and all of the sudden they're not in our program? Is losing out on any of those guys kind of a big deal? Very much so.
You realize we only have 11 guys on scholarship, right? And Pikiell has been very open about not handing out scholarships because all that does is take away minutes and then just leads to more roster turnover. Are there really that many programs that are using the full allotment every year? Don’t understand your point about smaller programs doing the little things when we’re talking about Georgia Tech, an ACC program.
But it pretty much fits their violations.
Plus, a mid-season transfer and an injury or two and suddenly they only have nine scholarship players which means some guys are playing 10-12 minutes who probably shouldn't be.
Maryland got Kevin Huerter in part because of scholarship reductions at Syracuse.
Penalized for not being able to afford North Carolina’s law team. Would love to hear Bobby Cremins chime in with his amazing New York accent.
Georgia tech is not a powerhouse. We are not a big program just solely because we are in the big ten. We are a smaller program. We run on fumes while the blue bloods have millions and millions.
And you've completely ignored not being able to have any recruits at home games or the recruiting limitations. Thats not a big deal? How.
There is 0 argument you can make to convince me losing a scholarship isn't a big deal. It's another chance at getting a McConnell. Just because Pike is judicious with his scholarships it doesn't mean that not having that last one wouldn't be a huge deal. He is constantly saving scholarships for flexibility/late signees. Somehow not having that flexibility doesn't matter though?
I'm sorry but these arguments are weak.
http://dailyorange.com/2015/03/what-does-5-year-probation-mean-for-syracuse-athletics/
Found this.
Since cheating is so prevalent in basketball shouldn’t all programs be on probation.
Found this.
Since cheating is so prevalent in basketball shouldn’t all programs be on probation.
It means if you screw up on probation, you get the harsher punishment you should've probably been given in the first place.
IIRC Georgia Tech's violation and investigation happened before the ongoing investigations into LSU, Arizona and KU which were triggered by the FBI investigation.
Having said that, the NCAA moves at near glacier speed on their investigations. Probably because there are so many going on in so many different sports and a lack of personnel to investigate them all.
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