These days getting offers is a two way street. Coaches don't just go out and find you through your HS games, you have to camp, which due to his lack of playing time, I doubt he did. Many recruiting outlets like the site you're on didn't even rank him because they had never heard of him. Unless you go to a high school that's a national power, no camps = no publicity. But as soon as he committed to stay, ESPN watched his tape and gave him a 4 star rating. Kinda funny how that happened ...
Gio has been our best QB all along.. I called it last year
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These days getting offers is a two way street. Coaches don't just go out and find you through your HS games, you have to camp, which due to his lack of playing time, I doubt he did. Many recruiting outlets like the site you're on didn't even rank him because they had never heard of him. Unless you go to a high school that's a national power, no camps = no publicity. But as soon as he committed to stay, ESPN watched his tape and gave him a 4 star rating. Kinda funny how that happened ...
Meanwhile Mehringer's coaching has done what with the guy he picked to be starter. And the only reason Gio is now getting snaps is because the guy Mehringer pick is so lousy.
I'll get over, I'm not looking to give Mehringer the boot, but I think it's pretty darn clear Gio is better then Lav's, and coaching staff did a pretty poor job in not recognizing that.
Offers or no offers he's better then Laviano.
And funny part is he's a better freaking fit for this offense.
I was at Rutgers when this 4th string QB came off the bench for BC. Who the heck is this Flutie guy. Not saying Gio is that good but you never know.
Have you ever played sports? Do you know how these things work? In the beginning of the year, all the QBs get evaluated on an even playing field - reps, drills, etc. Why is it difficult to understand that Laviano won the job when this evaluation period took place?
As the season progressed, part of the evaluation includes game performance and clearly "game-time Laviano" is not the same as "practice Laviano". In the mean time, the other QBs are being exposed to Mehringer's offense and are learning and developing as the season progressed. It is very possible that Gio could be developing and grasping the offense better than the others? Do you think that's not possible?
People act like this is all black and white. It is not. The abilities of these kids are not static. This is not the NFL. They can still develop from game to game, from year to year. Laviano was the best option when the season started. He is not today. This is not hard to understand.
I can't decide what is more daft. Assuming the kid with the most hype out of high school is the man or denigrating somebody based of their recruitment in spite of on the field showing?
Or not reading the opening post and understanding context. Quite the difficult daft determination.
Was never sure that he was our best QB, but have been calling for him to get a shot for some time now. Am anxious to see what he can do after getting more practice reps with the 1st Team. Can only help.
This. here's another way to spin it. Gio got zero reps last season because he didn't fit the offense. It's amazing DM has gotten this kid game ready in only a handful of weeks.
As always truth lies in the middle. It's most likely a combination of Ash wanting Laviano to succeed based on experience and leadership. coupled with Gio might have finally gotten to the point the staff trusts him.
Give Gio the most snaps at practice. Let him get the full week treatment and maybe just maybe it will be a good thing on Saturday. Not sure if this is the case, but maybe coming in as the starter will give Gio more attitude and confidence. He came in for two downs against Howard and ran for a touchdown and came in here and tossed a touchdown pass. He had 120 passing yards and 37 yards rushing with his longest at 10 yards. CL has 67 yards passing and 15 yards rushing. Hopefully the coaches will give Gio a chance at starter. Then bring Oden in if necessary.
1)So the argument is going from "Laviano is our best option" to "Laviano was our best option 6 weeks ago, and despite Laviano getting most of the game reps and most of 1st team practice reps, Gio has now shot past him in ability?" I'm skeptical of that one.
2)Practice Laviano vs Game Laviano. Did Ash look at last years game tapes of Laviano?
Am I wrong in saying Gio is a significantly better runner with the ball? Because of that does he not look to be a better fit for the offense? Does he also not seem to have a bigger arm?
Do those things vary from practice to game environment?
Why do our fans continue to think they know more than the ENTIRE COACHING STAFF? We got what we wanted, now just shut up and let it play out.
Typical NJ fan telling everyone to be quiet.
Sorry bud, that's not the way fandom is supposed to work.
I don't know, but if this is not a rhetorical question, I'd answer, "Because it is a message board."
Typical NJ fan? Don't know what that means, and I'm not even a NJ fan.
And yeah, shutting up when you get what you want is exactly how it's supposed to work. What more do you have to gain?
You can do whatever the heck you want, although you're not really talking RU football. You're talking RU-05 ball, which sounds like less fun.
Btw, the whole, "i can say what I want thing" always runs both directions.
Well... he has a point, IMO. I mean, what do any of us have to gain by having most of these discussions? It's entertainment and part of that entertainment is arguing inconsequential nonsense.
I get where you're coming from and I often have to repress my urge to make similar posts (and sometimes I fail to repress the urge). But without such posts, this place would be a crickets convention.
The typical NJ crap is nonsense because it happens everywhere there are fans.
Of course, there is a certain irony here, or is it serendipity, or yin and yang or something
Good post.
One thing I disagree with though. I believe, based on the evidence in front of us, that the sort of nuanced viewpoint you posted actually IS hard to understand for a lot of fans. For whatever reason, some people apparently just want all things to be simple and nuance bothers them to the point where they refuse to consider it.
nuance is overrated but also misunderstood by the typical NJ fan...cynicism is the default, the go to, high percentage play
I was really happy to see Gio doing well in the last game. Lit a bit of a much-needed fire under the offense and under us fans.
I have high hopes for him, but I'm not quite, after one half of play, ready to declare Gio the next coming of Peyton Manning. Need to see how Gio performs across several games first. I hope the fanbase here on Rivals can temper it's expectations a little given that Gio is effectively a brand new QB in terms of game experience. A bit of fanbase patience as he works through some growing pains wouldn't suck.
Nor will I crap all over Laviano who obviously was giving everything he could to the program and has come up short this season. Kid has to be hurting.
I have high hopes for him, but I'm not quite, after one half of play, ready to declare Gio the next coming of Peyton Manning. Need to see how Gio performs across several games first. I hope the fanbase here on Rivals can temper it's expectations a little given that Gio is effectively a brand new QB in terms of game experience. A bit of fanbase patience as he works through some growing pains wouldn't suck.
Nor will I crap all over Laviano who obviously was giving everything he could to the program and has come up short this season. Kid has to be hurting.
ok, the irony is that you were right that the gate swings both ways, and the irony daily double is that you missed me agreeing with you
The kid played QB in his senior yr of HS and is green as a granny apple. He has lots of upside but is a work in progress
It was one thing debating QBs when we were stuck with Lav. Now, though, coaches did what everyone wanted and switched. What's the point debating whether they did it at the universe's perfect moment in time, given we as fans have a fraction of the info the staff does.
Anyone that actually seems to have any real experience playing or coaching football has explained ad nauseum, yet some blowhards still seem ro think they know better.
Haha, and there was a like there and e'rything. My bad.
Although I do feel like you called me a twit back there ;
I forgot about this guy. He used to work out with Wiegers for 1.5 years back in Mich. He said he had a better arm and was more mobile while Weigers had a better spiral. He said he had no film when recruiting was taking place. I recall his signing day because a parent had pulchritude. Could be interesting. I don't blame coaches for not starting Gio earlier since they were teaching a new system and thought Lavi was best manager. So now Gio caught up and thats all good
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Nuance cannot be under or overrated. It simply is. People failing to recognize nuance doesn't change reality - it just lessens people's understand of that reality.
Understanding the nuance of things increases ones knowledge. Increased knowledge can be painful at times (ignorance is bliss and all). So in that sense, I can understand why people shy away from nuance.
But then such non-nuanced thinkers are relying almost entirely on being lucky and/or revisionist in their professed "understanding" of things. Each to their own, but IMO that's not a great way to go through life.
Read that word many times and probably knew it's meaning once upon a time. But had to look it up. Good word.
And to think I thought I had a good vo... a good voc... uh... you know, that wordy word about words.
Agree with both points.
1)We should not expect great QB play from Gio. But he can run the ball, and he seems to have a strong arm. There is certainly a lot left unknown.
2)Laviano has taken a ton of heat, it is the prickly part of the pear when discussing college football. They are not pro's, they are young men, they are students.
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