Greg Lewis
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Just a heads' up, but Lewis played 21 minutes vs. Pedd St. For that we got 0-6 from the field, 3 rebounds, and zero assists. I think the real problem is that Lewis played at all....and that we have no other options.
The person responsible for recruiting needs to be replaced
Stay on the football board ! You obviously do not know crap about our team and its plight this year.
My issue isn't Lewis playing although I think he plays soft and is often out of position on rebounds. Rather it's with EJ not demanding that Lewis not take outside shots but instead be around the boards so that Rutgers has some chance at offensive rebounds.
another obvious thing that contributes to the coaching questions. 5th year player who hurt or not doesn't know his game , didn't develop it, and wasn't being coached into one.
Lewis is playing hurt, limited practices, etc. We're lucky he's in there at all.
But he's apparently not healthy so why isn't he around the hoop? And if he can't contribute positively , then why be out there?
That 15 foot jumper IS part of game and he DOES have that range. Anyone saying that he shouldn't take that shot I assume hasn't followed his career very closely. And I've heard Eddie say that he WANTS him to take that shot. If you want to say he shouldn't force or rush a shot from there then that is fair. Saying he doesn't have range outside 10 feet is a classically ignorant message board post.
But with Rutgers being undersized at most positions does it make sense to have their one true big 15 feet out from the basket? Is it any wonder then why Rutgers gets so little offensive rebounding?
I think the words you are looking for is thank you Greg for giving it your all for RU.
There are two thought processes here.Jordan wants Greg to take that shot to draw a center away from the basket seeiing we are usually playing small. When the center moves away, you have a more equal match up between a pf/sf/
The other thought I have-How efficient is that shot really for Greg?He has hit is before and we say in the stands "what a nice touch for a 6 9 kid", but what really are his number for it?I would think about .250-.300 percent. If his numbers are not good, the center defending him or mismatch can sag off him a bit, and his team defense is helped out of it. I do not think the numbers are as good as it seems.
Lewis is playing hurt and has to play conservatively to avoid fouls due to our nonexistent big man depth. That's not "soft" - it's doing what he needs to do to be on the floor and contribute big man minutes to the team. He was dealt a crap hand, and he's playing it out. If Doorson/Diallo/Freeman weren't hurt, he'd probably have taken several games off to recover/rehab his knee - as it is, he can't even participate in practice.
I respect his effort and his battling, and we're going to miss him next year as we break in Doorson/Diallo and don't have an upperclassman center to balance them out.
I respect his effort and his battling, and we're going to miss him next year as we break in Doorson/Diallo and don't have an upperclassman center to balance them out.
THAT'S the issue/question. Can he make it with consistency. Certainly you % goes up the closer you get. Here are the stats. Doesn't break it down from inside-outside the paint. But his shooting is way down. Why? Because he is hurt? Well his rebounding is up. Or because he is just taking all his shots from the outside (5 of 6 were on sat and he missed them all)..also his shot is so great he is 40% from the line. 15 of 37...and he is not getting there (78 times last year) because he is outside. (he is only playing 2 mins less per game this year)
Career Stats
Avg Per Game
Year Team G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3PT% FTM FTA FT% Off Def Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
2011-12 RUTG 18 5.9 0.3 0.9 29.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.4 0.6 1.0 0.3 0.7 0.0 0.2 1.3 0.6
2013-14 RUTG 32 9.8 0.7 1.7 43.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.3 30.0 0.7 1.3 2.0 0.3 0.7 0.1 0.6 1.8 1.5
2014-15 RUTG 32 23.8 1.8 3.9 47.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.6 2.4 64.1 1.4 3.0 4.5 0.9 1.4 0.6 0.9 2.9 5.3
2015-16 RUTG 27 21.4 1.7 4.9 35.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.6 1.4 40.5 1.7 3.3 5.1 0.7 1.1 0.4 1.0 2.7 4.0
Totals 109 16.1 1.2 3.0 40.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.6 1.2 53.5 1.1 2.2 3.3 0.6 1.0 0.3 0.7 2.3 3.1
Season
Year Team G Min FGM FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3PT% FT FTA FT% OR DR Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
2011-12 RUTG 18 107 5 17 29.4 0 0 0.0 0 2 0.0 8 10 18 5 13 0 3 24 10
2013-14 RUTG 32 312 23 53 43.4 0 0 0.0 3 10 30.0 21 42 63 10 22 2 18 58 49
2014-15 RUTG 32 760 59 125 47.2 0 0 0.0 50 78 64.1 46 97 143 29 44 20 29 94 168
2015-16 RUTG 27 577 47 133 35.3 0 0 0.0 15 37 40.5 47 90 137 18 31 10 28 72 109
Totals 109 1756 134 328 40.9 0 0 0.0 68 127 53.5 122 239 361 62 110 32 78 248 336
yeah, that's why I summarized my points. Is there a better why to insert such grids? I was looking but I guess you have to save it and them inert the url?
If there is, I haven't found one. When I've posted stats, I've usually just picked the few columns I want and retype them. Name, Min, Points, FGM-FGA FG%, RB, TO, PF... or whatever. You usually don't need every column - and if you do, it's probably best to link to the source.
You could probably screengrab something and upload it as an image, too, if you really wanted the whole grid.
Exactly. We see the shot go in and are impressed, but I do not think it is as efficient as any of us think.
If it is not a efficient shot(greater than .350), the defense sags off him and the team defense is made a lot better.
At 6 9, unless you are very talented, you should be on a block somewhere.
Yeah...I'd like to thank Greg for giving it his all for RU.
But I was actually responding to a specific comment above by megadrone. I was sorta wondering how one could say we were lucky he's in there at all. We seem to be setting a record for futility and consecutive defeats almost on a daily basis. Could our losing streak be any longer ? We're gonna finish in last place in the Big Ten...with or without Greg Lewis. Can we possibly get any lower ?
The only thing we're lucky about is that the season is almost over.
I think folks appreciate Greg. I do. I like the fact he already has his degree too. But as a Bball player I think he has been done a dis-service. We need somebody who actually knows how to develop a big man.
The "development debate"
You need someone who can look at a player, see that he loves the game, has a good head on his shoulders, and is willing to put in the work to become a better player.
A coach cannot do it for a kid. The kid has to want it. The coach has to be able to find that person, and give him a contract.
Players develop themselves. You can't be with a kid past ten o clock. Only the kid can do that.
I think his injuries through the years have impeded his development as much as anything.
We probably could get lower. With Diallo and Doorson out he's the only center that we have, and he and Foreman all the height that we have. Foreman is already playing 30 minutes a game.
It isn't enough, but the kid is giving it his all and we'd have no height, no bulk without him out there. Given the results on the floor, lucky isn't the first thought that comes to mind, but we're really out of bodies.
Since the summer I was pinning all or my RU bball hope on Diallo be good enough to relegate Lewis to the bench. Not his fault. Love his loyalty. A big man trying to add a mid-range jumper takes A LOT of work. Somewhere there a documentary about what it took Dirk to develop his shot.
Lewis has a decent shot from 12 feet, so I have no problem with him taking it if he has a good look. The other factor is that we don't rebound on the offensive boards, since Eddie's approach seems to be to get the guys back on defense since we're undersized and undermanned, making offensive boards risky to go after since we're vulnerable to the fast break. Not that anything's working this season due to injury, but we have to try something and that seems to be the strategy.
Of course I know who recruited Lewis. I was blaming the recruiter for the fact that we have no one else besides Lewis up front. And that we'll apparently be struggling to replace him next season.
Good times.
Eddie's strategy of bypassing offensive rebounds in favor of getting back on defense works only if we can shoot. Unfortunately we can't.....
I'm asking because maybe I don't have the basketball smarts that some of you have :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
But wouldn't the injury cause him to be back a little? The inside game, pushing people around, boxing people out, wouldn't that take a toll on the lower body and someone who is as injured as Lewis is be a little tentative to do that?
But wouldn't the injury cause him to be back a little? The inside game, pushing people around, boxing people out, wouldn't that take a toll on the lower body and someone who is as injured as Lewis is be a little tentative to do that?
that's exactly why I pointed out his rebounding is up vs. last year in 2 less minutes. I thought the same thing but the facts suggest otherwise.
That's not accurate, we do have two guys to play the 5, Doorson and Diallo, who to me looked to have POTENTIAL to be significantly better than Lewis. Lewis is a warrior and has fought through alot of adversity in service to this program but his skills are very limited even when healthy. You do realize Doorson and Diallo are out for the season with injuries? I don't blame the injuries on Coach Jordan. If you have ever coached at the high school level or above you would realize that most injuries just happen and are not preventable yet they can have devastating effects on a team's performance. That is particularly true in high school/college sports where you cannot add players until the following season. Moreover, Doorson and Diallo, did not get to play many minutes at all this season so their development will be delayed. I think you would have seen a great deal of improvement in Doorson especially if he had played this season.
Was hoping for more from Doorson this season to spell Lewis - not to be a starter, but to allow Lewis more of a break and hopefully take on more minutes as the season went on. That went out the window. Hopefully he's better next year - but he's essentially had a full year gap in development at this point.
Diallo was much more of a project, and even after redshirting last year he came in very raw and uncontrolled this season. He was a fouling machine and looked lost a lot of times in our early matchups - not being able to stay on the court. A center should not be slapping at the ball across the arms of a driving guard at the top of the key... he just hadn't figured out how to play defense at this level without fouling. And just as it looked like he was starting to maybe figure it out.... injured, and the rest of the season lost for development.
We're going to be weak at center going into next year - two untested players with high ceilings, but who haven't really shown much on the court and are coming off of long gaps in development. Losing Lewis is more than losing his minutes - it's losing his game by game, practice by practice, guidance to help these guys grow into their role. Doorson's had a year of that last season, and Diallo's had about a third of a season of it... next year they're flying on their own.
Hopefully they'll develop as the season progresses, but on Day One I'm not expecting much out of the 5.
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