wow that wasnt a hail mary. please sit this one out
Greg really is that dumb
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First time I ever wished he had done his usual no timeouts saved routine.
Lol..when one of the first things the other coach says is thanks for calling it because we weren't sure that's all you need to know.
Anybody know the results of every other defensive TO Greg called today? Next play?
The ESPN scroll actually notes a short and wide kick negated by the TO called lol.
Go back and replay it on Peacock if you dare. This last series was full of stuff gone wrong and if onlys
If Longerbeam didn't have the holding penalty
If Loyal was able to make the pick on 3rd down
If Greg didn't call TO on the field goal
OK, game over but let's keep going.....
If Greg called TO on 4th Down to adjust and talk himself out of blitzing like Bielema talk himself out of kicking again
If we didn't blitz
If we had enough coverage on the other side of the field
If Altmyer waited a half-second longer to throw (could have been sacked, hurried or ball tipped)
None of this exculpates Greg for icing the kicker, in fact he digs himself a deeper hole on that 4th down.
If Longerbeam didn't have the holding penalty
If Loyal was able to make the pick on 3rd down
If Greg didn't call TO on the field goal
OK, game over but let's keep going.....
If Greg called TO on 4th Down to adjust and talk himself out of blitzing like Bielema talk himself out of kicking again
If we didn't blitz
If we had enough coverage on the other side of the field
If Altmyer waited a half-second longer to throw (could have been sacked, hurried or ball tipped)
None of this exculpates Greg for icing the kicker, in fact he digs himself a deeper hole on that 4th down.
Let's call them out like Schiano's bandwagon did with us.
It was a situation where they had very little time and not getting a first or a TD would’ve been the end of the game. Not exactly a Hail Mary, no. But a bad situation for them no matter what they did.
NIL will never fix bad coaching.
Again, people forget Greg 1.0 and calls for someone else because his ceiling was limited. Greg 2.0 has been a case study in how to stabilize a program in mediocrity
Imagine being as dumb as this mildone guy. There is no defending this coaching decision. None. And he will give you a 200 word diatribe doing so. Take a knee pal and sit this one out mildone.
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Loser mentality.very intelligent statement .
you might just move up from moron status to being just an idiot.
All that is wrong with the low expectations crowd.
Lame doofus
No, cant imagine being that utterly stupid. Has anyone seen Mildone and RutgersAl in the same place at the same time ? Or maybe it’s Schiano’s screen name ?
It was really dumb. Like, really really dumb.
I was worried at 52 yards.... it was a longshot, but I was concerned that they were technically "within FG range", even with the wind. If the wind died for a minute (as it had been doing, off and on), a 52 yard FG is very much a thing that could happen.
As soon as it became 57 yards, I assumed that Illinois would have to go for it on 4th and 13.... and when they lined up for a FG, I thought Bielema had blinked. There was 0% that was going to work unless the winds shifted and blew toward the goal posts (which again, was possible, given the way the wind was swirling and changing).
I thought Schiano might call a time out if the wind changed in Illinois' favor, so I specifically looked at the goal posts just as they were setting up.... and the flags were 90 degrees out from the poles in the kicker's face. It was a dream scenario - there was no way in hell that kick would go through, and no reason for anyone to call a timeout. We managed to pull this one out... and I allowed myself to relax a bit.
The kick was a dead duck.... it went up clean, and the wind just absolutely killed it mid-flight. We all cheered and were giving each other high fives. Then reality set in that Schiano screwed the proverbial pooch with a time out.
Of course Bielema came out of the time out with his offense - he saw what happened when attempting an impossible kick, and there was zero sense trying that again in those conditions. Schiano gave them a new lease on life. We went from a sure thing to an "oh no" situation with the injuries to Rogers/Longerbeam in the secondary. All they needed was 13 yards to stop the clock, then spike the ball to get a shorter, more makeable FG try.
And then worst case scenario happened.
All because Schiano had absolutely zero situational awareness.
There were so many other mistakes/errors throughout the game, and plenty of things to dissect and/or complain about... but we'd overcome them all, and the defense forced Illinois into ill-conceived 57-yard FG attempt. Then Schiano took action to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
He has had some bad luck with TOs.
In 2007 RU was up on Norfolk 42-0 at the half (42-0!).
With around 30 seconds to go Greg calls a TO instead of just going to the locker.
Next play is when Teel injured his hand hitting a helmet and it hurt all season.
He also caused a loss to Strong's Louisville by calling a TO before the half that gave the Ville a chance to score a TD.
Ville players thanked him in media after the game.
He also called a TO vs Syracuse that would help them score.
Greg has some formulas in his head that are mystifying (like tackling QBs on kneel-downs)
I understand all the arguments people are making. It’s not complicated. I’m not even saying the arguments against icing there are invalid.
I’m saying that hindsight (seeing the ball miss) and having plenty of time to think about it always makes everybody look like geniuses. A coach, in the moment, doesn’t have either hindsight or a ton of time to consider all the permutations.
The one argument that resonates as not entirely hindsight-driven is that, if he was going to call TO, do it sooner so the kicker doesn’t get a practice kick. I couldn’t tell at what point GS called the TO, but it certainly was given quite late.
But the central point remains, before the attempt, nobody knew for a fact that the kick would miss. And the team had the opportunity to stop the first down and TD and didn’t.
The ironic thing here is, I am nearly always irritated by coaches icing the kicker. I get it. But I find it irritating.
57 yarder directly into 20 mph wind from a kicker who's never hit for longer than 50, already missed an XP earlier in the game, and was struggling from 35 yards during warm ups. The chances of Illinois making that are so astronomically low that "icing" him will not noticeably change them.... and any time out at all gives Illinois the chance to realize that going for it on 4th and 13 is a higher probability play.
There was no hindsight necessary. Bielema screwed up and made a bad call - why on earth would you give him more time to reconsider his options? If you do stupidly call a timeout, there's certainly absolutely no reason on earth to let him actually see the result of his first decision while giving him more time to reconsider his options.
Calling a time out was as dumb as a sack of hammers.
A hail mary probably had a higher likelihood of success than that FG attempt in those conditions. But they didn't even need a hail mary - they just needed a 13 yard reception. There was plenty of time left to line up after a 1st down and clock it for a shorter FG.
Edit: They may have had their kickoff guy in the game instead of their usual FG kicker. He is 1-2 for his career, a make from 59 with a slight tailwind and a miss from 55 with a slight crosswind.
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I was practically jumping for joy when they sent out the FG unit - it was such a bad call by Bielema that I was shocked he made it. Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
Bad decisions are still bad decisions if they turn out good, and good decisions are still good decisions if they turn out bad. Going for the FG in those conditions was a bad decision. Calling a time out (especially the way we did it) was bad decision.
If the kicker drilled the FG on that attempt, they still would have been bad decisions by Bielema and Schiano.
As Shelby pointed out, there was never a more impossible FG try in the history of football. Bielema did his best to lose the game on that FG try until GS had his crowning “hold my beer” moment.
Even worse than his declining the 4th and 1 delay of game penalty against USF which would have made it 4th and 6 but instead gave them another 4th and 1, which USF converted, got more yards, kicked the FG and won. GS outsmarted himself and lost to the only other BE team to not win the conference title.
His stated idiot logic was that he trusted his run d more than his pass d and preferred USF have 4th and 1.
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Maybe one bright side would be that Schiano may stop trying to ice kickers in the future. But after his post-game comments, he may just barrel forward with that anyway rather than admit to himself he may have botched it.
How many f-ing low points are we going to have? I was told it was Wisconsin? Or maybe it was UCLA?
You mean the son that is in charge of supplying him with in game analytics? The son that carry’s the giant binder? That one?
not sure if we wouldn’t have won . If we tackle the guy it’s going to be a 39 yard attempt.
On a first down pass they would have had time to clock-stop the ball and try the FG.. even with the TD there were 4 seconds left.. would have been 8 or so if tackled immediately.
The timeout and the late timeout was the mistake and it was not a case of "you gotta have a feel for these things" like GS said in the presser. He should have said "I blew that call" because he did. It happens. The people giving him crap about it like it is a firable offense are just tilted when it comes to Schiano.
That’s a persuasive argument.
Thing is, if GS didn’t ice the kicker, if the kick had gone in, while you might’ve said “oh well, not icing was the right call”, most of the other folks engaging in hindsight would’ve attacked GS for not icing the kicker. The same people who insist there was zero chance of that FG going in. They’d be talking about GS getting paid too much to sit around doing nothing when the game’s on the line, he had the timeouts to burn, etc.
Hindsight is 20/20. And people these days always have to blame someone for their disappointment.
Anyway, game’s over. Next game up.
Illinois has an outstanding kicking game. Look it up. That’s not the question.
The backup kicker was in because he has great range. He hit a 59-yarder earlier this season.
However, he had no shot against this wind.
On the touchdown play, Bryant was supposed to catch it and go down so the team could spike it and go for a 35-yarder. Very makeable. The starting kicker would have been in for that one.
Bryant said that he saw the whole side of the field open and went for it.
Agree with that. The result isn't always what justifies a decision. Sometimes it is but sometimes what you say is true. I've said similar in games with regards for going for 2, 4th downs or not at times etc..
You're going to go to the grave with this STUPID take, aren't you??? It isn't 20-20 "hindsight" when most of the fans at the game and on this board have stated numerous times that NOT calling the time out was the right move, BEFORE it even happened in real time!!!! For all of the reasons given!
Stop being so obtuse and defiant just for sake of argument. This "icing" bullshit call failed miserably, face it, let the kick go off, miss by 15 yards, get the ball back, take a knee once, game over, RU wins! Now you can move on too!
could be, also could be some don't like Schiano and play the victim when called out about that fact.
They refuse to believe there isn't a better HC willing to come to Rutgers and expect the next Nick Sabanto show up hat in hand begging for the job and when it's pointed out that never happened in the past and ain't about to happen now so they are wrong : they play their victim card claiming" everyone's picking on me ".
It gets tiring trying to discuss Schiano with those wanting him gone and admitting there are better ones out there but they won't come , the "Victims" make like they are being maligned and start whining about how they are abused by the "shills"
That’s why you rush 3 and drop 8.
We blitzed several times and never got to the QB. Monumentally stupid to send the house.
Yeah, okay. Most of the fans were saying "don't ice the kicker, don't ice the kicker" before Schiano called the TO. Sure they were.
Most of the fans saw the kick go up and miss and were celebrating when we all suddenly were made aware of the TO. And it wasn't until that moment that anybody gave a TO any thought at all. And then all the hindsight started kicking in.
Trying to pretend that isn't what happened is ridiculous.
Now you can move on.
