He was a respected hot young coordinator before RU. What he did here was amazing. I think that he may have hit his limit here, but RU didnot make him.
Greg Schiano... Juuuuuuust Doooooooo It!!!!
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There are only two ways to know that:
- You got that information from Rutgers. Which is unlikely, because this search is being played so close to the vest that no one outside a very small circle knows who the targets are. While it is possible to hear that someone is being considered, you would have no way of know if someone wasn't considered or your lack of hearing about them just means the name didn't leak.
- You got that information from Schiano. Which is possible if you are close with him, or know people who are close with him.
just to playing devils advocate but, .500 is really really good when you think about where we were when he took over.
He's probably going to be to expensive for what your going to get. Which is promises that some day our best will be good enough blah blah.
Looking like the longer he holds out the further his stock falls.
Looking like the longer he holds out the further his stock falls.
Seem likely that we did make an overture to GS early on in the process. Maybe even before we fired Flood. While I am sure he listened he probably also expressed a preference to see the Miami situation through to conclusion or threw out a figure RU was not willing to commit to immediately. RU looks around and Schiano is still hesitant after Miami and maybe RU moves on. I kinda of hope we have moved on since as several noted GS was not killing it here at the end of his reign.
OK. But he peaked in 2006 and never grew after that. In regular season games in the 5 seasons after 2006, he was .567.
If .500 is really good, considering where we were when he took over, then .567 is pretty mediocre considering where we were in 2006. And when you consider that he padded the schedule with OOC cupcakes, and the BE was a much weaker league than the B1G, you have to assume that the record would be worse in the B1G.
If .567 is good enough, then why did we just fire a guy that went .542?
I'm not disagreeing that his record and abilities are questionable. But Schiano did have the reins for like 2.5x longer then flood did and the BE wasn't a joke when he first took over. Miami, Vtech, WVU, and Pitt. Miami was the top program in the early 2000's/late 90's.
Post 2006, Miami and VTech weren't even in the BE. Post 2006, Rutgers faced no more than 3 challenging conference opponents each year, and at least 4 that should be beaten easily (and Schiano regularly gave us a WTF loss against one of the teams we should have beaten).
No one denies that Schiano did a great job building the program pre-2006. But that is not the job he would have to do if he returns. His job now is more similar to post-2006. This is a job in which Schiano has proved to be very mediocre.
Ever think that Rutgers is not the paradise destination you think it is? Whether it be FB or BB, why do we always seem to get our 5th, 6th,8th choice? Just because we're in the B1G now, doesn't make us a desirable destination (see Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, etc. Don't compare us to OSU, Michigan, PSU).
BB coaches weren't lining up to take after Rice, going into the B1G. And when you've kicked EJ to the side of the road, we'll be looking for lightning in the bottle again. (BTW -- Big East BB didn't do much for our recruiting through FOUR coaches).
Maybe you're right. Maybe Schiano's only a mediocre coach (I disagree, but I've been wrong before. I remember back 1982...). Consider he could easily be the best we could hire at this time. Any other realistic hire is most likely a shot in the dark....admit it. Add to that we're not marrying him. We don't don't like the way things are going we can dump him. But we can feel confident he'll at least put us on steady footing program-wise after this dumpster fire of Flood's, making us a more desirable program for a future candidate.
BB coaches weren't lining up to take after Rice, going into the B1G. And when you've kicked EJ to the side of the road, we'll be looking for lightning in the bottle again. (BTW -- Big East BB didn't do much for our recruiting through FOUR coaches).
Maybe you're right. Maybe Schiano's only a mediocre coach (I disagree, but I've been wrong before. I remember back 1982...). Consider he could easily be the best we could hire at this time. Any other realistic hire is most likely a shot in the dark....admit it. Add to that we're not marrying him. We don't don't like the way things are going we can dump him. But we can feel confident he'll at least put us on steady footing program-wise after this dumpster fire of Flood's, making us a more desirable program for a future candidate.
Well said.
It would be helpful to understanding all that some think GS didn't achieve here if they could point to just one person one time who did better. Anderson, Graber, Shea, and Flood make GS look awful good.
And perhaps the fact that no one has taken RU to the top level is indicative of the fact that it can't be done.
Anyway, Schiano is not coming back here. Why would he ?
You just listed exactly why I never thought Schiano would want to come back. We've had people complain for years about the lack of championships he brought Rutgers -- even though I believe Rutgers has had about one championship in its history in all sports combined.
We've had people say RU's turnaround would have been faster without someone else? Seriously? What a joke.
Schiano would be competing against both his past history at Rutgers and against half the fanbase that hates him for various reasons.
Personally, I think RU wanted to go a different route and never contacted him. I think he wanted to go a different route as well. I still hope he finds success down the road and I'll never forget moments like the Louisville game (still the most exciting game I've ever been to in person in any sport) that he brought here. Screw the haters. Let's see someone actually succeed at Rutgers before saying Schiano should have done better.
