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Harbaugh stiffs BTN

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Small story, but funny. For the first time in 112 BTN camp stops a BIG 10 Head Coach wouldn't meet with DiNardo and his partner. Biting the hand that feeds you?
 
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Lol. Guy is type B personality and doesn't want to be exposed like he did on Cowherd
 
Since it's the B1G network, it really shouldn't be optional. This should be addressed by the conference and the schools going forward.
 
He's a hot name now. Hoping that his act wears thin on everyone over time, including recruits.
It wouldn't be unprecedented. It may wear thin quicker on recruits or college players than it did with the 49ers. If he wins big out of the gate none of it will matter, if he doesn't, well we have seen what happens to Brady and Rich Rod.
 
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Have to think this will not go down well.
We might never hear about it and it won't be tomorrow. But if it is throw down between Delany and the rest of the B1G against Coach Kooky I've got the Jim from South Orange.
He keeps it up Harbaugh is going to have to sell crazy somewhere else sooner rather than later.
 
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Let's see a show of hands. Who here is shocked by this?

Anyone? Anyone?

Yeah, no ... I didn't think so.
 
I hope harbaugh crashes and burn...what a total dick! For once I'll be rooting for the poisonous nuts to hand 60+ on that jackass...there's no reason to behave the way he does...he had a great potential thing in SF and blew it...
 
Michigan is in the same boat as PSU. If you are gonna pay the type of money they are for these guys anything less than 9-10 wins a year is horrible. Problem is the they both have inherent flaws.. If you combined their strengths you'd have urban.....since they aren't urban that's one loss a piece for those counting.
 
Michigan is in the same boat as PSU. If you are gonna pay the type of money they are for these guys anything less than 9-10 wins a year is horrible. Problem is the they both have inherent flaws.. If you combined their strengths you'd have urban.....since they aren't urban that's one loss a piece for those counting.

wait a minute.... Harbaugh, has had success both in the college level and professional level, I don't get what makes me less of a coach than Urban outside of the fact that he's just not Urban himself.... people don't have to like him personally, it's cool if you think he's a douche... but putting Franklin in the same category as Harbaugh is the largest reach of a comparison I've read in a long time.

edit: btw, Urban is a douchebag too.... big difference is he plays nice with the media.
 
Harbaugh thinks he's Bo Schembechler 2.0....Bo wouldn't speak to a media sit down and in Harbaughs mind that's enough. Problems occur however when you need your assistant coaches to help absorb the hits of turning around a program and I don't see Harbaugh as a give the assistant coaches credit type of coach.

When Sparty mauls them again and there's nothing he will be able to do or say, about it, that will be enough satisfaction for me. .
 
wait a minute.... Harbaugh, has had success both in the college level and professional level, I don't get what makes me less of a coach than Urban outside of the fact that he's just not Urban himself.... people don't have to like him personally, it's cool if you think he's a douche... but putting Franklin in the same category as Harbaugh is the largest reach of a comparison I've read in a long time.

edit: btw, Urban is a douchebag too.... big difference is he plays nice with the media.
Here's the thing about not having a personality, being a jerk to the media, and ignoring boosters is cool when you are winning(Belicheck) but it's a whole different ball game when you aren't. How does this arrogance play out when he wins 6 or 7 games this year and gets crushed by MSU and OSU? Plus, while I'm not doubting his coaching ability he was only 29-21 at Stanford and 12 of those wins were Luck's senior year. Also, he's not Urban.....urban has won multiple national championships and only a handful of guys can say that. I wasn't putting Franklin in JH's company as a coach but he's definitely comparable as a recruiter. That's his flaw, I don't think Franklin can coach at a high level(again never beaten a ranked team) and if you are PSU are you happy with 8-9 win seasons year in and year out at 5 million a year?
 
wait a minute.... Harbaugh, has had success both in the college level and professional level, I don't get what makes me less of a coach than Urban outside of the fact that he's just not Urban himself.... people don't have to like him personally, it's cool if you think he's a douche... but putting Franklin in the same category as Harbaugh is the largest reach of a comparison I've read in a long time.

edit: btw, Urban is a douchebag too.... big difference is he plays nice with the media.
I think Harbaugh is a great coach, and I think he'll do some great things at Michigan. That being said...come on. There's only eight coaches in the history of NCAA football that have won three or more National Titles. Harbaugh's never even won a conference title at the FBS level.
 
You don't actually believe that do you?

Yes, if Delany tells Hackett and Schissel that every time Coach Kooky denies our network content the subscribers have already paid for we'll deduct a six figure chunk from your pay out, Fang is either going to heel our be on the street.

They'll put up with bad behavior but if he starts costing them real money that's different.
 
He's definitely "eccentric" but he's a damn good coach. I wouldn't use the he's never won a champ or his 29-21 record against him at all. He's not Urban on the college level but could Urban do what he did so quickly at the NFL level. He's also never run a program like Florida/OSU as Urban has to really see how high he could go in college. Michigan is really the first program he's taken over that is on par for potential. Very unlikely that he'll win 3 national champs like Urban, I mean how many coaches ever will, but I think he'll have them competing for playoff spots in the future.

He walked into a 1-11 team at Stanford and raised the program to the national stage. Think about that, Stanford into a perennial top team. What he did with the 49ers, again another lousy situation he stepped into, and how quickly he did it was also remarkable. I think they'll be some rebuilding with Michigan but I think he'll have them back on the national stage again in time and competing with Urban/Dantonio for the B10. Unfortunately, all 3 of these guys are on our side of the conference and it's going to be a tough slog.

I don't think his "eccentricity" will be as much of a problem in college as much as it is in the pros. Faces are changing all the time, it's really just the admin that will have to put up with it if anything. If he's winning big, "which I'd expect he will in time, then it won't matter to them either.
 
He's closed all practices off to the media as well this year. He's a douche, but a good coach. I would be shocked if he's at UM for more than 5 years. He will go back to the NFL.
 
JH may do very well at UM, as nearly everyone expects, but...

A. Michigan is the first place he's been that has the crazed alumni and boosters of a traditional college football power. How patient will they be? I don't think you can turn a program around as fast as the media and fans think it will happen. Look at Charlie Strong's Texas. The current players may be talented, but they are soft. It will be 3 years before any turnaround should bear fruit.

B. Michigan is the first place he's been with the problem of recruiting in a dying state. Detroit at one time was a recruiting hotbed. Not so any more. Michigan's population has steadily been moving to Arizona for 30 years. Yeah, Michigan can recruit nationally. But it's not the easy recruiting that Bo had in his day.

As I say - he is a great coach, and he may have great success at UM. But it's no slam dunk.
 
I'm guessing Urban is going to make it tough for them to pluck key Ohio talent the way they could back in the day.
 
I have no doubt that Harbaugh is one of the best pure coaches out there and will have some success at Michigan, though I think Urban is going to be the thorn in his side that prevents him from winning the conference. I also think he's the type of guy who can't be a long term solution -- his act has worn thin everywhere. Not sure why this will be any different.
 
I think Harbaugh is a great coach, and I think he'll do some great things at Michigan. That being said...come on. There's only eight coaches in the history of NCAA football that have won three or more National Titles. Harbaugh's never even won a conference title at the FBS level.

Saban has also found great success in CFB, how'd his stint go with Miami? But I regress, I'm not Harbaugh's PR dept. so it's no big deal but I misunderstood vkj's comment with PSU and Mich being in the same boat. I thought he was comparing coaching capabilities and they are worlds apart.
 
Problems occur however when you need your assistant coaches to help absorb the hits of turning around a program and I don't see Harbaugh as a give the assistant coaches credit type of coach.

Not true, he's gone on record several times claiming his assistant coaches were HC material. You're a hawks fan, I figured you'd be well familiar with Harbaugh given hawks fans are passionately hateful of the 9ers and vice versa. lol
 
seems like people forget how bad stanford was before he got there
They were bad for the prior 5 seasons but fine before that. They went to the Rose bowl only 8 years prior to his arrival and were good not great under both willingham and Walsh.
 
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They were bad for the prior 5 seasons but fine before that. They went to the Rose bowl only 8 years prior to his arrival and were good not great under both willingham and Walsh.

Dude, are you ever wrong? You've got a frickin' spin for everything...LMAO, yeah, Harbaugh is unproven as a HC at the college level.

They are going to be good - really good - for as long as he's there. Yeah, he's a wacko, but he's a strong force and a really, really good coach. Winning teams never wear thin for recruits.
 
He's definitely "eccentric" but he's a damn good coach. I wouldn't use the he's never won a champ or his 29-21 record against him at all. He's not Urban on the college level but could Urban do what he did so quickly at the NFL level. He's also never run a program like Florida/OSU as Urban has to really see how high he could go in college. Michigan is really the first program he's taken over that is on par for potential. Very unlikely that he'll win 3 national champs like Urban, I mean how many coaches ever will, but I think he'll have them competing for playoff spots in the future.

He walked into a 1-11 team at Stanford and raised the program to the national stage. Think about that, Stanford into a perennial top team. What he did with the 49ers, again another lousy situation he stepped into, and how quickly he did it was also remarkable. I think they'll be some rebuilding with Michigan but I think he'll have them back on the national stage again in time and competing with Urban/Dantonio for the B10. Unfortunately, all 3 of these guys are on our side of the conference and it's going to be a tough slog.

I don't think his "eccentricity" will be as much of a problem in college as much as it is in the pros. Faces are changing all the time, it's really just the admin that will have to put up with it if anything. If he's winning big, "which I'd expect he will in time, then it won't matter to them either.

Saban has also found great success in CFB, how'd his stint go with Miami? But I regress, I'm not Harbaugh's PR dept. so it's no big deal but I misunderstood vkj's comment with PSU and Mich being in the same boat. I thought he was comparing coaching capabilities and they are worlds apart.
I'm not saying he isn't great at coaching. In fact, he may have the potential to be a better overall coach than Urban or Saban, factoring the NFL into the picture. However, I would say, definitively at this point, that both of them are better college coaches than Harbaugh, despite what he did at Stanford. I can't imagine either one of them repeatedly passing on the opportunity to sell their program the way that Harbaugh has in the last month or so.

Adding to that, Harbaugh has some other personality quirks that may limit him from ever reaching his maximum potential. I'm sure it wasn't 100% his fault, but imagine how bad he must have been to work with that the 9ers decided it wasn't worth the hassle after the job he did there.
 
Dude, are you ever wrong? You've got a frickin' spin for everything...LMAO, yeah, Harbaugh is unproven as a HC at the college level.

They are going to be good - really good - for as long as he's there. Yeah, he's a wacko, but he's a strong force and a really, really good coach. Winning teams never wear thin for recruits.
I thought you spent your time off learning to read...guess not. Please point to where I said he wasn't a good coach or was unproven? Please show me where I said they wouldn't be good? If you are gonna stalk someone you should at least read their posts first.
 
I'm not saying he isn't great at coaching. In fact, he may have the potential to be a better overall coach than Urban or Saban, factoring the NFL into the picture. However, I would say, definitively at this point, that both of them are better college coaches than Harbaugh, despite what he did at Stanford. I can't imagine either one of them repeatedly passing on the opportunity to sell their program the way that Harbaugh has in the last month or so.

Adding to that, Harbaugh has some other personality quirks that may limit him from ever reaching his maximum potential. I'm sure it wasn't 100% his fault, but imagine how bad he must have been to work with that the 9ers decided it wasn't worth the hassle after the job he did there.
I agree and said as much, you can't compare him as a college coach to those guys. They have multiple national championships and at more than one stop. They're in a class by themselves. But after that he's right up there with anyone else in the college profession save those 2 IMO. Even a person like Les Miles who has a national championship, I put him on par with and any other current college coach I can think of out there.

His NFL turnaround of the 49ers and a #1 overall bust and doing it with 2 QBs, recruiting a QB like Luck and what he did at Stanford and San Diego make me think he'll be successful at Michigan. It doesn't mean he'll win a national championship there, a lot of luck and other factors need to go right for that sometimes but I have strong confidence he'll have them competing for B10 titles perennially and spots in the playoff.

As to him leaving because he's worn out his welcome. There's really only 1 place that happened, the 49ers right and frankly they may regret letting him go in the next few years. San Diego he stepped up to Stanford and Stanford he stepped to the NFL. I'd bet both of those schools would have loved to have him stick around longer. He may leave on his own for another shot at the NFL but as long as he's won like he's won before and assuming some scandal doesn't break out I'm sure Michigan's admin will love to keep him as long as he wants to stay.
 
Harbaugh is protected by having won in the NFL at San Francisco. No matter what occurs, he and his fans can point to that. ANd he will be able to convince recruits.. especially recruits for whom the maize and blue have big appeal.. he will be ale to get recruits. And the recruits will win.. eventually... BECAUSE Harbaugh can absorb a lot of failure.. because of his pedigree.

Deserved or not.. a jerk or not.. Harbaugh does have that card up his sleeve and on the table.

Unfortunately for Michigan fans.. and our eastern division brethren, Urban Meyer has a stacked deck. It is going to take a lot to beat OSU anytime soon.
 
Lol. Guy is type B personality and doesn't want to be exposed like he did on Cowherd
no. he has gone underground with his first camp. no media, no former players, nobody. they didn't even have a real practice when btn was on campus.
 
Harbaugh is protected by having won in the NFL at San Francisco. No matter what occurs, he and his fans can point to that. ANd he will be able to convince recruits.. especially recruits for whom the maize and blue have big appeal.. he will be ale to get recruits. And the recruits will win.. eventually... BECAUSE Harbaugh can absorb a lot of failure.. because of his pedigree.

Deserved or not.. a jerk or not.. Harbaugh does have that card up his sleeve and on the table.

Unfortunately for Michigan fans.. and our eastern division brethren, Urban Meyer has a stacked deck. It is going to take a lot to beat OSU anytime soon.
While a lot of that is true how much will they really absorb? UM boosters won't care about what he did in the NFL I'd he can't beat MSU and OSU. They chased Rich Rod out way to early and he has since turned around Arizona. While I can easily understand getting rid of Hoke he also wasn't given a whole lot of time. He was running a pro set with an option QB and still managed to winning seasons 3 of 4 years. To me, it similar to Nebraska..if 10 wins a year isn't good enough what is? You have PSU, OSU, and Michigan all paying guys 4 million plus a year...at least one of these schools isn't going to get their money's worth.
 
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