Has everyone lost their damn minds?

[arigoldrutgers]

Next person to make a post talking about how "if Kyle flood was still HC we wouldn't be where we are today" is going to be asked to get their memory checked.

If Urban, Nick and Jim put aside their differences and came to Piscataway to tag team the RU job... we would still be around 2-10 ish. Maybe a win or two more but absolutely no significant difference (yes, I know, ignore the recruiting aspect for the purposes of this hypothetical)

Listen folks. I'm not here to praise Chris Ash or throw him under the bus. All I can say is that college football is a complicated beast. The sheer number of positions and players makes it far more difficult than basketball to turn a team around. If you're calling for Ash's head right now I'm assuming you've never been a part of a start up or large scale business initiative. These things take time. No CEO has ever barged into a failing company and turned things around in a year.

 

[RU#1fan]

Total BS.
If Urban or Nick came here with a Staff that they hired this Team would have won 5 or 6 games.
And Recruiting would have been off the chart last year and the next two years.

 

[arigoldrutgers]

Total BS.
If Urban or Nick came here with a Staff that they hired this Team would have won 5 or 6 games.
And Recruiting would have been off the chart last year and the next two years.

I mean record-wise. Surely you get what I was trying to say.

 

[wheezer]

Over reacting.... a lot of fans think it would have been a one year better record, based on the fact that we were better able to run the old offense with today's team

A vast majority did not want
Flood anymore, despite the possibility he might have won a bit more this year.

 

[RU31trap]

Next person to make a post talking about how "if Kyle flood was still HC we wouldn't be where we are today" is going to be asked to get their memory checked.

If Urban, Nick and Jim put aside their differences and came to Piscataway to tag team the RU job... we would still be around 2-10 ish. Maybe a win or two more but absolutely no significant difference (yes, I know, ignore the recruiting aspect for the purposes of this hypothetical)

Listen folks. I'm not here to praise Chris Ash or throw him under the bus. All I can say is that college football is a complicated beast. The sheer number of positions and players makes it far more difficult than basketball to turn a team around. If you're calling for Ash's head right now I'm assuming you've never been a part of a start up or large scale business initiative. These things take time. No CEO has ever barged into a failing company and turned things around in a year.

Are you kidding me with this post? Do you really believe what you just wrote. Cmon man stop it with these silly posts. The coaches you mentioned in your post would have probably won 6 games with a top 15 recruiting class. Next years record 9-3 with a top 10 recruiting class. In year 3 a Rose Bowl appearance with another top 10 recruiting class. Reality is we fired a bargin basement experiment for a Red Light Special with no warranty. That's our reality friend. You want to point the finger start with Trenton, BOG, PRESIDENT and AD.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Over reacting.... a lot of fans think it would have been a one year better record, based on the fact that we were better able to run the old offense with today's team

A vast majority did not want
Flood anymore, despite the possibility he might have won a bit more this year.

"... were better able to run the old offense with ... last year's team"
- - don't see how Flood & company would have been able to step up & wage an offensive shoot-out with this year's personnel (missing key pieces from last year) CL would have remained at QB and with little protection, it is hard to see where CL would have found any traction to get things going.... and as has been proven time & time again - when CL gets into a downward cascade, the outcome becomes bleak.

Flood was done - too many issues & it was time to make a move - the quality of his work was clearly following a plummeting trend-line so the idea of Flood producing something similar to last year - would actually have represented a dramatic positive change in the way things were going for Flood.... and there is no reason to think that things would have magically stopped getting worse under Flood.

 

[Abro1975]

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[Mr_Twister]

I love Rutgers but even Coach Ash would tell you in private that he and his staff have not done a stellar job. They will get better as a staff, especially player development, game preparation and game day decisions, and the team's talent will improve dramatically through recruiting.

 

[brgRC90]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. All I KNOW for certain is that even though lots of our fans overestimated how good our teams were under Schiano they were without a doubt vastly better than the teams under Flood, despite all the advantages Flood started with that his predecessor did not. Our last coach inflicted huge damage on the program and the only issue that raises is how long can/will it take for the damage to be repaired. Flood got us here--period--and anyone mentioning his name should be horse whipped.

 

[lighty]

Let's face it, many here wanted a change in the offense. We got the change, but didn't have the QB to run it. Either we should have modified the offense to suit the QBs we had or it was going to be a bad year.

 

[RU31trap]

Let's see what happens today in MD.

 

[RUgrad]

Maryland is -14 today, I think you have to lay the points. Yes Maryland is not too good, but we are a D 1-AA team at this point.

 

[Virginiarufan]

You're screaming to deaf ears.

The average poster on here has a college football IQ of zero. The people on this board simply do not understand that Flood left this program in a Kansas-like state. The defensive backfield was kicked out of school. Dozens of Flood's recruits have transferred out to the Division 2 FCS programs they belonged at in the first place. We are simply as bad as we look, and would be worse off with Flood's anemic offense run by a terrible Chris Laviano, and his boneheaded Cover-3 defense getting torched and never adjusting, ever.

Yet for some reason the idiots of this board seem to long for the poison of our past coach. It's unexplainable.

I don't know whether Ash is the answer or not yet, but I do know he is pulling off a miracle in recruiting right now. He has us near the top 25 of recruiting rankings, yet for some unexplainable reason people constantly doubt him out loud here, making his job that much harder to land recruits. Think of where we'd be if Flood was still coach, recruiting would be in the 60's/70's.

Yet the people of this board simply do not get it. They will continue to post negative things and make Ash's job harder, until he drags them, kicking and screaming, to the promised land.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

In the real world - guys like Urban, Nick and Jim ... just don't go to places like this - they are so established that they will only go someplace that has tons of resources, will pay them 3-4X what RU could - will pay 3-4+ times what RU can foot for a staff ... has more facilities... and the teams will not be total rebuilds - none of them have taken over devastatingly long-term depleted programs in years (if ever) - yes, their predecessors were fired and performance improvements were needed - but they were all programs that had a fair amount of past success, a strong (but maybe tarnished) recruiting name and and some existing premium (but often not properly utilized) talent to work with.... and even then it took a bit to get things sorted out.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Gents, Ash is our coach and will continue to be our coach for a few years regardless of the results. We are not going to spend money on a big name. He put together a staff that may need another year or may need some serious tweaking. Having the right guys to play the the spread will make a difference . This is a tear down not a rebuild. You can scream and bitch and moan, which is obviously what this venue is all about when things go sour, but the painful fact is this is the hand we will be playing for a while . We are not Michigan. We are Rutgers.

 

[rutgersac88]

Without question, it was the right decision to fire Flood. Having said that, the talent level that Ash inherited was not as bad as the record indicates. Shut out 4 times? Having under 10 1st downs in multiple games? As a rookie head coach, Ash needed experienced coordinators. There's no creativity on offense. It's the same four plays. They don't play the best players at the skill positions. We should've seen a lot more of Martin and Hicks and even Agudosi. And we all know that Laviano shouldn't have lasted as long as he did as a starter.

 

[wheezer]

"... were better able to run the old offense with ... last year's team"
- - don't see how Flood & company would have been able to step up & wage an offensive shoot-out with this year's personnel (missing key pieces from last year) CL would have remained at QB and with little protection, it is hard to see where CL would have found any traction to get things going.... and as has been proven time & time again - when CL gets into a downward cascade, the outcome becomes bleak.

Flood was done - too many issues & it was time to make a move - the quality of his work was clearly following a plummeting trend-line so the idea of Flood producing something similar to last year - would actually have represented a dramatic positive change in the way things were going for Flood.... and there is no reason to think that things would have magically stopped getting worse under Flood.

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It is all speculation, so no big deal, just people's opinions..... some one did mention that we would have had true frosh qb Russo, maybe he would have been a little boost in a tight game

Not anything in this thread for anyone to get worked up about..... we find out new things even now, that were problems with Flood

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Floodites will never give up.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

There are serious haters and know-it-alls on this board and this season has - unfortunately - been the perfect "recipe" for them to continually rear their ugly heads. Most of them - without question - were Flood-lovers and can't get over the fact that he was fired. Some still think he's a "great guy." A few more have never been happy, I'm pretty sure, their entire lives. They bitched about Greg, Kyle, and Chris, from Day 1, and think they know better than every AD, HC, and assistant coach. Many in both groups, I'm 100% convinced, watch ZERO college football aside from RU games.

 

[RUskoolie]

OP, it's the same half dozen mental midgets in every thread. They've basically exposed themselves as knowing nothing. Better to just treat them like the old drunk guy occasionally yelling at your local train station.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Without question, it was the right decision to fire Flood. Having said that, the talent level that Ash inherited was not as bad as the record indicates. Shut out 4 times? Having under 10 1st downs in multiple games? As a rookie head coach, Ash needed experienced coordinators. There's no creativity on offense. It's the same four plays. They don't play the best players at the skill positions. We should've seen a lot more of Martin and Hicks and even Agudosi. And we all know that Laviano shouldn't have lasted as long as he did as a starter.

Our talent, top-to-bottom, is sub-standard, without question, but you lost this fight with the name "Agudosi." He wouldn't even see the field at another P5 school. Oh and, for the 1,000,000th time: Martins was injured and not 100% until just a week ago. Hicks can't pass block.

 

[Caliknight]

You're screaming to deaf ears.

The average poster on here has a college football IQ of zero. The people on this board simply do not understand that Flood left this program in a Kansas-like state. The defensive backfield was kicked out of school. Dozens of Flood's recruits have transferred out to the Division 2 FCS programs they belonged at in the first place. We are simply as bad as we look, and would be worse off with Flood's anemic offense run by a terrible Chris Laviano, and his boneheaded Cover-3 defense getting torched and never adjusting, ever.

Yet for some reason the idiots of this board seem to long for the poison of our past coach. It's unexplainable.

I don't know whether Ash is the answer or not yet, but I do know he is pulling off a miracle in recruiting right now. He has us near the top 25 of recruiting rankings, yet for some unexplainable reason people constantly doubt him out loud here, making his job that much harder to land recruits. Think of where we'd be if Flood was still coach, recruiting would be in the 60's/70's.

Yet the people of this board simply do not get it. They will continue to post negative things and make Ash's job harder, until he drags them, kicking and screaming, to the promised land.

^ dude gets it.

 

[soundcrib]

Without question, it was the right decision to fire Flood. Having said that, the talent level that Ash inherited was not as bad as the record indicates. Shut out 4 times? Having under 10 1st downs in multiple games? As a rookie head coach, Ash needed experienced coordinators. There's no creativity on offense. It's the same four plays. They don't play the best players at the skill positions. We should've seen a lot more of Martin and Hicks and even Agudosi. And we all know that Laviano shouldn't have lasted as long as he did as a starter.

And I'm worried about recruiting. I want Ash to succeed with his master plan but how the heck are we going to be dramatically better through recruiting when our recruiting is going backwards from where we stood at the beginning of the season?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

And I'm worried about recruiting. I want Ash to succeed with his master plan but how the heck are we going to be dramatically better through recruiting when our recruiting is going backwards from where we stood at the beginning of the season?

We lost the 2 guys everyone knew we were going to lose and are still a top 35 class right now. Good chance we finish on a high note, too, so let's not get crazy here.

 

[Dpgru]

Here we go again with Flood stuff. Three problems with this team. ONE, Flood, thankfully gone, did significant damage to the talent level and the perception of the program. TWO, talent level is poor relative to the schedule. THREE, staff is inexperienced in their new roles. Problem one is half solved with Flood's departure but the other half has not been helped by this years results at all. The other two will only be solved over time. To expect them to have been resolved in one year is ludicrous. Hopefully the experience this staff, especiallyAsh, have gained in their previous stops have taught them how to recognize BIG talent while still in HS. Also, they must learn and grow in their new roles. Again, that takes time. So, we wait and see. Hopefully we end on a good note today. Go RU

 

[letterman]

I've been following these type threads for awhile and I have an honest question to ask. At what point in time can everyone stop blaming flood and call this ash,s team. This s$it is really getting old. Flood is gone. Ash is the coach for at least the next three as far as I see. Give the guy a shot. And please stop blaming flood .at this point it doesn't matter.

 

[IMARUFAN]

At the risk of defending Flood, which I am not, this team NEVER looked this BAD week in and week out when he was the coach.

 

[RUSK97]

I mean record-wise. Surely you get what I was trying to say.

No, I don't.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I've been following these type threads for awhile and I have an honest question to ask. At what point in time can everyone stop blaming flood and call this ash,s team. This s$it is really getting old. Flood is gone. Ash is the coach for at least the next three as far as I see. Give the guy a shot. And please stop blaming flood .at this point it doesn't matter.

When his recruiting classes stop hindering the growth of this program.

 

[arigoldrutgers]

No, I don't.

The point is that it isn't coaching. It's the talent level of the roster. Does that make it clear?

 

[soundcrib]

We lost the 2 guys everyone knew we were going to lose and are still a top 35 class right now. Good chance we finish on a high note, too, so let's not get crazy here.

I hope so.

 

[FellowPaisan]

I've been following these type threads for awhile and I have an honest question to ask. At what point in time can everyone stop blaming flood and call this ash,s team. This s$it is really getting old. Flood is gone. Ash is the coach for at least the next three as far as I see. Give the guy a shot. And please stop blaming flood .at this point it doesn't matter.

Flood gave us essentially the death penalty. Destroyed a good team, destroyed the perception of the school. He will be responsible for much of the blame for at least another 3 years. Recruiting will need to overcompensate to flush out his failures on the recruiting trail.

 

[RUaMoose]

Fanboy says there are some who "can't get over the fact he (KF) was fired" can Fanboy name one such poster? Fanboy also alludes to "Flood lovers". Can Fanboy name one such person ? Fanboy is the master of the straw man argument.

 

[Bleed_Scarlet]

Next person to make a post talking about how "if Kyle flood was still HC we wouldn't be where we are today" is going to be asked to get their memory checked.

If Urban, Nick and Jim put aside their differences and came to Piscataway to tag team the RU job... we would still be around 2-10 ish. Maybe a win or two more but absolutely no significant difference (yes, I know, ignore the recruiting aspect for the purposes of this hypothetical)

Listen folks. I'm not here to praise Chris Ash or throw him under the bus. All I can say is that college football is a complicated beast. The sheer number of positions and players makes it far more difficult than basketball to turn a team around. If you're calling for Ash's head right now I'm assuming you've never been a part of a start up or large scale business initiative. These things take time. No CEO has ever barged into a failing company and turned things around in a year.

Blaming the talent is like a guitarist blaming the Instrument. Hand Eddie Van Halen a $99 guitar from Sears and I'll bet he still can make some pretty damn good music.

Losers complain about the circumstances, winners make the best of what they have

 

[RU848789]

1. Ash inherited poor talent from Flood's bad recruiting
   
2. Ash's first class was a combo of mediocre Flood recruits and mediocre recruits of his own, since it's tough to get a great class when new and off a bad year, when you're a first time head coach.
3. We lost most of our best players (Schiano's recruits, mostly) coming into this season and they were replaced with the mediocre players cited in #2, so the talent level this year is even worse than last year.
4. Ash and Company are new to this and have struggled in every facet of the coaching game. Poor talent and mediocre coaching = 2-10.
5. Ash and Company really need to hold this class together and make some improvements in their preparations and gameday coaching next year so that we can show improvement next season.
6. The most important part of #5 is getting improvement at the QB position. Not sure if anyone on the roster is capable of really succeeding at this level. Signing Lewis and giving him the keys may be our best path forward.
7. Meyer would maybe have won 1-2 more games this year with this team; Flood would've done about the same as Ash.

 

[RUnewjersey]

There are serious haters and know-it-alls on this board and this season has - unfortunately - been the perfect "recipe" for them to continually rear their ugly heads. Most of them - without question - were Flood-lovers and can't get over the fact that he was fired. Some still think he's a "great guy." A few more have never been happy, I'm pretty sure, their entire lives. They bitched about Greg, Kyle, and Chris, from Day 1, and think they know better than every AD, HC, and assistant coach. Many in both groups, I'm 100% convinced, watch ZERO college football aside from RU games.

I won't argue there are a few Flood fans on the board. However, speaking for myself and a large number of posters here, we wanted to see our team football IQ improved by our $2 million coach. There is no sign of that happening, and that is frustrating.

 

[rutgersac88]

Our talent, top-to-bottom, is sub-standard, without question, but you lost this fight with the name "Agudosi." He wouldn't even see the field at another P5 school. Oh and, for the 1,000,000th time: Martins was injured and not 100% until just a week ago. Hicks can't pass block.

But Agudosi should be playing on this team. He's not great but better than what we have. Martin could play special teams in a game but not running back? Ash is doing some things that are head scratchers. I'm taking solace in the fact that PJ Fleck won one game in his first year at Western Michigan although I know that the turnaround in this league is tougher.

 

[RU85inFla]

We lost the 2 guys everyone knew we were going to lose and are still a top 35 class right now. Good chance we finish on a high note, too, so let's not get crazy here.

If the coaches knew the 2 of them were going to decommit, we would have had 4 rb committs. But we didn't!

 

[ArminRU]

If the coaches knew the 2 of them were going to decommit, we would have had 4 rb committs. But we didn't!

I don't think you understand how recruiting works.

 

[RU85inFla]

I don't think you understand how recruiting works.

I do understand quite well. I don't think you know how excuse making works. If you and others want to accept that it's fine that Ash recruited two rb's that were gonna decommitt anyhow and have no backup plan but that's ok than so be it. I expect more form a head coach.