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OldManRiver

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I don't know what I would think if...

Let's say your part of a collective that paid a player NIL $.
Then after the regular season is over, he opts out of the bowl game.
I don't know if this has happened in any playoff games.

I would have mixed feelings...although disappointed in him not playing....but, I think I would understand him not wanting to get injured.
If you're thinking about you might get injured....you'll get injured is my thinking...you've already checked out in going all out.
 
Yea what happened to Jaylon Smith for ND scared off a lot of guys, and for good reason. That injury cost him millions.
 
I read some bowl games might pay NIL to players as incentive to not sit out. I don’t know which ones or how much or if it would be enough incentive, specifically for high draft players.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
I read some bowl games might pay NIL to players as incentive to not sit out. I don’t know which ones or how much or if it would be enough incentive, specifically for high draft players.
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I heard that too.
But, I think they would do better to insure the players against injury....but then you get into debate about which players get insured if not all.
 
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OldManRiver said:
I don't know what I would think if...

Let's say your part of a collective that paid a player NIL $.
Then after the regular season is over, he opts out of the bowl game.
I don't know if this has happened in any playoff games.

I would have mixed feelings...although disappointed in him not playing....but, I think I would understand him not wanting to get injured.
If you're thinking about you might get injured....you'll get injured is my thinking...you've already checked out in going all out.
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Do you let all of your business partners cancel delivery if they think it's in their best interest despite what you've paid for? Because then maybe I can be a vendor to you for something.

Or maybe NIL for the year doesn't include the bowl game? So we're gonna have to pay a second time during the year to get our "schools athletes" (LOL) on to the field?
 
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RUScrew85 said:
Do you let all of your business partners cancel delivery if they think it's in their best interest despite what you've paid for? Because then maybe I can be a vendor to you for something.

Or maybe NIL for the year doesn't include the bowl game? So we're gonna have to pay a second time during the year to get our "schools athletes" (LOL) on to the field?
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Not saying I like it but that's the way it's going...players have teams by the balls.

And if you were my vendor and canceled a contract or not showed up for delivery...unilaterally....I'd sue your ass 🙂

And BTW...we're already paying twice a year...donation for tickets and NIL....this would be 3rd a year 🥴
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
I read some bowl games might pay NIL to players as incentive to not sit out. I don’t know which ones or how much or if it would be enough incentive, specifically for high draft players.
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Which would be the definition of pay to play. This system will become even more laughable and abused as the years go by.
 
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This conversation has already occurred regarding scholarships.
People were distraught when it started happening and wanted players to pay back the cost of their scholarship.

Funny how everyone calls the players "amateurs" but then are quick to point all the non-monetary perks and payments they receive.
It's almost as if they haven't been "amateurs" at all and it's just a phony made up word.
 
NickRU714 said:
This conversation has already occurred regarding scholarships.
People were distraught when it started happening and wanted players to pay back the cost of their scholarship.

Funny how everyone calls the players "amateurs" but then are quick to point all the non-monetary perks and payments they receive.
It's almost as if they haven't been "amateurs" at all and it's just a phony made up word.
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They haven't been amateurs since the first "scholarship" - but at least we were faking it well. Might need to start promoting intramural football?
 
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OldManRiver said:
I don't know what I would think if...

Let's say your part of a collective that paid a player NIL $.
Then after the regular season is over, he opts out of the bowl game.
I don't know if this has happened in any playoff games.

I would have mixed feelings...although disappointed in him not playing....but, I think I would understand him not wanting to get injured.
If you're thinking about you might get injured....you'll get injured is my thinking...you've already checked out in going all out.
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Your misunderstanding NIL. The money the player receives has no baring on whether or not he actually plays. ‘Names Images Likeness’. Guys essentially get paid to be spokespeople as contractors, once they agree to a deal and do the promotion, they’re paid, just like any other employee, what they do on the field has no baring on that. Now if that player wanted to perhaps continue a professional relationship after his college career and knew it was important for the organization who had hired him to play in that game he might, that’s case by base though. Tough to convince a kid looking at potentially millions in the nfl to play in the cactus bowl and risk injury because jersey mikes who paid him $20k wants him to
 
rutgersguy1 said:
I read some bowl games might pay NIL to players as incentive to not sit out. I don’t know which ones or how much or if it would be enough incentive, specifically for high draft players.
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That’s the thing, day 3 guys might take the payday, a guy like Joey Porter Jr for example who declared is probably a R1-R2 pick, if he gets hurt in the non playoff bowl game and drops to say round 5, he just cost his family around $4 million.

Easy for guys with nothing at stake on a message board to complain but at the end of the day, the GOAL of college is to enhance your opportunities and prepare yourself for the next step. No bowl game is going to pay a potential high draft pick what they are risking losing in getting hurt
 
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RUScrew85 said:
They haven't been amateurs since the first "scholarship" - but at least we were faking it well. Might need to start promoting intramural football?
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Correct, players has always gotten paid
 
yessir321 said:
That’s the thing, day 3 guys might take the payday, a guy like Joey Porter Jr for example who declared is probably a R1-R2 pick, if he gets hurt in the non playoff bowl game and drops to say round 5, he just cost his family around $4 million.

Easy for guys with nothing at stake on a message board to complain but at the end of the day, the GOAL of college is to enhance your opportunities and prepare yourself for the next step. No bowl game is going to pay a potential high draft pick what they are risking losing in getting hurt
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I have no problem with any of it. Everyone has to do what they feel is in his best interests….coaches, players, etc
 
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NIL right now is still the wild west
Limited rules / regulations, lots of grey areas

The smart programs are stockpiling money and waiting for things to shake out, while possibly taking a chance on a few kids for reasonable sums of $$

Once they get it all straightened out, those programs will have a treasure chest of cash and will run things like an NFL team

x amount for RB's, x amount for DB's, etc.
The big-name players will obviously get more
 
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jaydogsmooth1 said:
NIL right now is still the wild west
Limited rules / regulations, lots of grey areas

The smart programs are stockpiling money and waiting for things to shake out, while possibly taking a chance on a few kids for reasonable sums of $$

Once they get it all straightened out, those programs will have a treasure chest of cash and will run things like an NFL team

x amount for RB's, x amount for DB's, etc.
The big-name players will obviously get more
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Right and then you have fans like us that say they aren’t giving to NIL. Not sure how anyone can think that will help us to stop being lousy
 
Plum Street said:
Right and then you have fans like us that say they aren’t giving to NIL. Not sure how anyone can think that will help us to stop being lousy
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It's a personal decision
I have no problems with coaches making 5 mil/year, just as I have no problem with players making 2/mil year

Everyone is entitled to do what they feel is right
But the facts won't change - if we don't step up with NIL, we will continue getting smoked

If people are okay with that, that's entirely their prerogative and I respect that
But I am not ok with that, and frankly think it sucks to see us getting our asses handed to us on a weekly basis

Not enjoyable to watch, not entertaining, not fun
Hence, I'm donating to NIL in hopes that we will be competitive
 
jaydogsmooth1 said:
It's a personal decision
I have no problems with coaches making 5 mil/year, just as I have no problem with players making 2/mil year

Everyone is entitled to do what they feel is right
But the facts won't change - if we don't step up with NIL, we will continue getting smoked

If people are okay with that, that's entirely their prerogative and I respect that
But I am not ok with that, and frankly think it sucks to see us getting our asses handed to us on a weekly basis

Not enjoyable to watch, not entertaining, not fun
Hence, I'm donating to NIL in hopes that we will be competitive
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Yes, it is a personal decision . Just like buying second homes and fancy cars . If people can do that , they can afford to give a few bucks to NIL . That they would not opt to do that is concerning , even more concerning is they are very vocal and seem proud of not giving and getting better players.
Stop the Stinking
 
zappaa said:
You keep making this irrelevant statement.
How boosters paid select players in the past has absolutely nothing to do with today
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I don’t really understand your viewpoint . Help me understand .
You’re a big rutgers fan and want us to succeed . You have said you’re gonna stop following because of NIL . But you haven’t stopped following. Do I have that right ?
 
Plum Street said:
Yes, it is a personal decision . Just like buying second homes and fancy cars . If people can do that , they can afford to give a few bucks to NIL . That they would not opt to do that is concerning, even more concerning is they are very vocal and seem proud of not giving and getting better players.
Stop the Stinking
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For the amount of time people (including myself) spend on this board and are invested into the FB program, coupled with the frivolous things we all buy (Starbucks, etc.), one would think $10/month towards NIL would be an absolute no-brainer

Some of it has to do with people being fundamentally against NIL. Some has to do with we've sucked for the better part of 50 + years. Also, Rutgers doesn't foster a giving tradition upon graduation like other schools. Finally, a large part of our fanbase is historically cheap

Mix that all in and we've got what we've got - and unfortunately, unless things turn around quickly, I don't see it changing anytime soon
 
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For the amount of time people (including myself) spend on this board and are invested into the FB program, coupled with the frivolous things we all buy (Starbucks, etc.), one would think $10/month towards NIL would be an absolute no-brainer

Some of it has to do with people being fundamentally against NIL. Some has to do with we've sucked for the better part of 50 + years. Also, Rutgers doesn't foster a giving tradition upon graduation like other schools. Finally, a large part of our fanbase is historically cheap

Mix that all in and we've got what we've got - and unfortunately, unless things turn around quickly, I don't see it changing anytime soon
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I don’t get the fundamentally against NIL argument . You may not like to , but it’s here to stay . So adapt or die

The idea is to stop sucking and have a team the school, alums and fans can be proud of
 
rutgersguy1 said:
I have no problem with any of it. Everyone has to do what they feel is in his best interests….coaches, players, etc
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Exactly. It makes me smile seeing people go on their rants about commitment to schools about playing in bowl games on Facebook using their PC’s…. It’s like ‘ya’ll realize this rant you are going on is being put on a platform created by a college dropout, using a PC that wouldn’t exist without another prominent college dropout…

It’s kinda the double edge sword in college athletics, some fans don’t want the players to be paid but yet feel they should be criticized as though they are professionals
 
Plum Street said:
I don’t really understand your viewpoint . Help me understand .
You’re a big rutgers fan and want us to succeed . You have said you’re gonna stop following because of NIL . But you haven’t stopped following. Do I have that rightNev ?
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No you don’t, and don’t know why you choose a thread on NIl to ask me a personal question.
I NEVER said I stopped rooting.
My following has waned considerably, I don’t follow recruiting anymore.
What viewpoint do you not understand?
 
Plum Street said:
I don’t get the fundamentally against NIL argument . You may not like to , but it’s here to stay . So adapt or die

The idea is to stop sucking and have a team the school, alums and fans can be proud of
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I agree, but there's a segment of the fanbase who sees it as over the top, as the college athletes are already getting free tuition, perks, etc.

Some will never see it as we see it. Others are on the fence as they want more clarity in regard to the rules and regs. Others are all in

I want to replicate the feeling of 2006. Being an FSU fan, I've seen what it can do for a school, city, and fanbase.

Trust me on this, if we got to that level again, a lot of the fence sitters would convert. No doubt in my mind.

And I truly believe we have the potential to do that here again. Whether or not we see it to fruition is the million-dollar question
 
zappaa said:
No you don’t, and don’t know why you choose a thread on NIl to ask me a personal question.
I NEVER said I stopped rooting.
My following has waned considerably, I don’t follow recruiting anymore.
What viewpoint do you not understand?
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I don’t think asking about rooting for rutgers football on a rutgers football message board is personal .
 
Plum Street said:
Yes, it is a personal decision . Just like buying second homes and fancy cars . If people can do that , they can afford to give a few bucks to NIL . That they would not opt to do that is concerning , even more concerning is they are very vocal and seem proud of not giving and getting better players.
Stop the Stinking
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I think the problem now is a lack of faith in the coaching staff to appropriately utilize the talent we are potentially paying for. As I outlined in a previous post, I believe there is a talent disparity between us and many of our big ten opponent’s. I do not believe Maryland is 37-0 more talented than us. I do not believe Minnesota is 31-0 more talented than us…. That doesn’t mean I expected us to win those games, but I did not expect us to be blown the hell off the field like we didn’t belong.

Why would anyone give to a program being run by an incompetent staff? That’s a serious question.
 
yessir321 said:
I think the problem now is a lack of faith in the coaching staff to appropriately utilize the talent we are potentially paying for. As I outlined in a previous post, I believe there is a talent disparity between us and many of our big ten opponent’s. I do not believe Maryland is 37-0 more talented than us. I do not believe Minnesota is 31-0 more talented than us…. That doesn’t mean I expected us to win those games, but I did not expect us to be blown the hell off the field like we didn’t belong.

Why would anyone give to a program being run by an incompetent staff? That’s a serious question.
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Fair point re. coaching staff
It's chicken/egg in my opinion

We're going to need the $$ regardless of who coaches here
Saban, Meyer, Vince Lombardi, or Greg

I've cut my donations to FB b/c I don't like the direction of the program, nor do I have faith in Greg to turn it around

But I still donate as I'm hoping he can turn it around, and the we will need the $$ regardless
Whether Greg uses it, or another coach, we will need it
 
zappaa said:
You keep making this irrelevant statement.
How boosters paid select players in the past has absolutely nothing to do with today
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I'm not sure what the guy your responding to meant - but my post (that he was responding to) was just stating the fact ALL players haven't been amatuers for decades and are all currently being paid.

Approx $20k in tuition, room and board.
If you are on athletic scholarship, you aren't an amateur.
It's a fact.

That is why people say "if they want NIL, then pay back scholarship. They signed away NIL with letter of intent."
Currently schools are paying players for their NIL as part of the scholarship.

NIL isn't about amatuer or professional.
It's about level of compensation for players.
 
I don’t get the chest pounding I don’t give to NIL crowd . What better way is there to donate money As you can help buy a player that can send us to the Rose Bowl.
 
Exactly!

Somehow, some of us seem to think we’re going to get kids that are going to refuse NIL $$ from other schools just because of our staff….not going to happen.

I just wish that whatever is agreed to in order to get the kids to sign to come here doesn’t turn into a car dealership experience….such as, oh, you want wheels with this car….it’s going to cost extra…you want a spare tire…it’s going to cost extra.

NIL, pay to play or whatever you want to call it is very dynamic currently….I hope we survive
 
NIL has to be revised. There needs to be a cap of some sort.
Why is a football player getting NIL of this much and a gymnast is only getting this much.
If any.
How's that fit in with Title IX?
Should a freshman get NIL? He/she hasn't produced anything yet. What are you paying NIL for.
What is Name, Image & Likeness worth for someone who will redshirt?
What about a player who is out for the year with injury? Will he get 'sick pay'?
 
Plum Street said:
I don’t get the chest pounding I don’t give to NIL crowd . What better way is there to donate money As you can help buy a player that can send us to the Rose Bowl.
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Or just pay them to improve until they leave the next year and take a different team to the Rose Bowl.
 
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