Year 5 - Unacceptable results

[rutgersguy1]

It never ceases to amaze me how gullible Rutgers fans are. This is Greg Schiano. This is what everyone wanted. He wasn’t a 500 coach in the Big East but he was going to somehow come in and take over the Big Ten. 5-7 wins a year is what we signed for. Every once In a while we will get lucky and win 8. On the flip side we will have some 3 or 4 win seasons as well. Been saying this since the day he was hired.

I’ve thought GS has about a 6-7 regular season wins ceiling and one we’d probably reach off and on, probably slightly more off than on.

8 regular season wins would be a reach imo unless the schedule in a given year ended up really favorable. Not by the names on the jersey but just by how teams might be performing in a given year. Maybe you get a bunch that aren’t that great in a given year.

I’ve always said conference record is the most important because the majority of your schedule is in conference, 75% in this case. To get to 8 wins you have to have at least a 5-4 record (meaning winning conference record) and we’ve shown no signs of that.

 

[yessir321]

I get it after UCLA but USC is a different animal. Just my opinion.

USC lost to Maryland last week. All of southern Cal is ready to run Lincoln Riley out of the building. FAR CRY from the Carson Palmer/Dwayne Jarrett Trojans of the past

 

[rutgersguy1]

Don’t think the fans are gullible but realistic. The general feeling was that he would get the team competitive. He has done that and upgraded the talent level. Is he going to get RU to 8 or 9 wins? Maybe not, However, I don’t see other HCs. getting RU to the upper level. GS may not get “it” done, whatever “it” is. For people bringing up Cignetti at IU, please stop. Almost everyone here didn’t know who the guy was last year. He would have been reviled as a potential RU coach.

IU is having a great year but who knows what next year brings, as with most everyone. They have a veteran team and he’ll have some retooling to do if he’s still there. It’s all year to year. I don’t believe in this passed us by stuff.

Persoanally, I have no issue with coaches from anywhere. Anyone can be good or bad, never know for sure. I agree though there would be some, if not a lot who would’ve not liked a hire like that or all the lower level transfers from JMU or WF and the like. B team B league or whatnot and not B10 worthy etc…. I have no issues with that kind of stuff either. I don’t complain about recruits or stars or transfers…coaches get who they get and it’s up to them to make it go.

 

[RUShea]

USC lost to Maryland last week. All of southern Cal is ready to run Lincoln Riley out of the building. FAR CRY from the Carson Palmer/Andre Johnson Trojans of the past

Andre Johnson=Miami.

 

[Plum Street]

Andre Johnson=Miami.

Maybe he meant Dwayne Jarrett . Who grew up in New Brunswick and said no to schiano

 

[RUPete]

Maybe he meant Dwayne Jarrett . Who grew up in New Brunswick and said no to schiano

That was a VERY good NB team that year. Won a state championship and had a parade downtown.

 

[Plum Street]

That was a VERY good NB team that year. Won a state championship and had a parade downtown.

Had better recievers than Rutgers that year.
Not a joke

 

[MADHAT1]

Thank you for the lecture. Much needed because Rutgers fans don’t feel sh$tty enough right now. You actually stated what fans expected from him anyway. Rebuild, stabilize and hopefully hand off to someone who can elevate it to the next level.

"Rebuild and stabilize" is what he does well.
"hopefully hand off to someone who can elevate it to the next level." might be a stretch to think he would admit he isn't capable of making RU one of the top B1G programs and leave on his own accord so RU could replace him with someone capable of making RU one of the B1G's best.
Even if he did, my worry would be RU wouldn't pay what it takes to bring in someone capable , but would gamble on one that would accept less to make RU a playoff contender

 

[RUPete]

Had better recievers than Rutgers that year.
Not a joke

Eh, what was that 2003? I think we had Tres Moses and Shawn Tucker back then. Let’s not kill our guys completely. Plum is glum. 😁

 

[RUPete]

"Rebuild and stabilize" is what he does well.
"hopefully hand off to someone who can elevate it to the next level." might be a stretch to think he would admit he isn't capable of making RU one of the top B1G programs and leave on his own accord so RU could replace him with someone capable of making RU one of the B1G's best.
Even if he did, my worry would be RU wouldn't pay what it takes to bring in someone capable , but would gamble on one that would accept less to make RU a playoff contender

All legitimate POVs and concerns. I share them.

 

[Plum Street]

Eh, what was that 2003? I think we had Tres Moses and Shawn Tucker back then. Let’s not kill our guys completely. Plum is glum. 😁

Ok and jarrettt was way better than those guys

 

[RUPete]

Ok and jarrettt was way better than those guys

Of course he was at the time as a prospect, but Tucker and Moses were better four-year guys. I know, saying “four-year guys” is a dinasour thing to say now.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

But Year 4 was acceptable.

So what does it really mean that year 5 is a struggle? Nobody knows.

Even if we win 3 OOC games every year.. 2 cupcakes and a challenge.. we then have to go 5-4 in the Big Ten to win 8. Every team in the Big Ten wants to win. Every team in the Big Ten has had more revenue for far longer.

This was never going to be easy or a sure thing. For anyone. Every time some new coach impresses somewhere, everyone assumes we could have hired him and he could have duplicated that success here. But that is not a given.

There may come a point where we should try someone new.. but we kinda handcuffed ourselves to Schiano now. We had reasonably good reasons to do so. So your choices are to abandon or support Rutgers Football.. you are not going to force a change that we cannot afford. I recommend you look for reasons to support as that might help the program.. while all the hotseat talk can only hurt teh program.

 

[WhiteBus]

If you were playing, we would have . You are like the general Washington of Rutgers !! You cross the line (or river ) and we win

If I was playing it would have been a game like last night. I was a scrub who played when the game was out of reach. Special teams guy otherwise.

 

[RU_Goo]

It never ceases to amaze me how gullible Rutgers fans are. This is Greg Schiano. This is what everyone wanted. He wasn’t a 500 coach in the Big East but he was going to somehow come in and take over the Big Ten. 5-7 wins a year is what we signed for. Every once In a while we will get lucky and win 8. On the flip side we will have some 3 or 4 win seasons as well. Been saying this since the day he was hired.

I think the issue is this was supposed to be the 8 win year and it’s gonna be the 4 win one. His next shot at that 8 win season is when the next cycle of seniors are mostly returning starters and schedule line up - which won’t be for a long time.

 

[rucoe89]

Eh, what was that 2003? I think we had Tres Moses and Shawn Tucker back then. Let’s not kill our guys completely. Plum is glum. 😁

Not a lot go be optimistic about next year.

There will be pieces to work with next year on Offense --- Duff and Black at WR. Felter, Asamoah, Needam Zilinskas at OL. Higgins, Blake and Fletcher at TE. Raymond at RB. AK back at QB. Question is whether we have a coach that can make them a serviceable Big Ten unit.

Defense is going to be a huge issue next season. There is Djabome at LB, Mascoe at CB and Sanders at S. Angoy, Thompson, and Abrams might be good 2 deep contributers. After that, seems like we have nothing much else on that side of the ball.

Years ago, L'Ville made a strong run in the Big East with a roster full of 1st and 2nd year players. I don't think we have the pieces and coaches to get that type of result, but one can hope.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I totally and unequivocally. Without a doubt agree.Someon come up with a solution for our dilemna please

The solution is for a billionaire to get a wild hair up his ass, decide that he wants RU to win National Championships, and starts buying elite players and coaches.

 

[yessir321]

The solution is for a billionaire to get a wild hair up his ass, decides that he wants RU to win National Championships, and starts buying elite players and coaches.

In part yes, however please don’t forget that USC’s NIL is $13 million, Indiana’s is $3 million. It’s not JUST about who has the most NIL money

 

[RUforlife]

Thank you for the lecture. Much needed because Rutgers fans don’t feel sh$tty enough right now. You actually stated what fans expected from him anyway. Rebuild, stabilize and hopefully hand off to someone who can elevate it to the next level.

What made people think Greg ever wanted to hand off the program any time soon.? His mentor is Joe Paterno, a man who stuck around and coached into his 80s wearing a depends diaper. Greg Schiano has no plans on retiring, he will remain the Rutgers coach for the next 25 years if the administration so chooses. Unless something drastically changes with the athletic mission and its role with academics within the University, Greg Schiano will be our HC for a very, very long time, get used to it.

 

[Plum Street]

Of course he was at the time as a prospect, but Tucker and Moses were better four-year guys. I know, saying “four-year guys” is a dinasour thing to say now.

Of course he was at the time as a prospect, but Tucker and Moses were better four-year guys. I know, saying “four-year guys” is a dinasour thing to say now.

Jarrett was a a first team unanimous all American his true sophomore season at usc…I am pretty sure as a hs senior he was better than any of our guys at the time

 

[yessir321]

Of course he was at the time as a prospect, but Tucker and Moses were better four-year guys. I know, saying “four-year guys” is a dinasour thing to say now.

Have you seen this kid Ryan Williams?

 

[yessir321]

Maybe he meant Dwayne Jarrett . Who grew up in New Brunswick and said no to schiano

Indeed, confused myself with those Miami/USC super teams of that era

 

[Plum Street]

Indeed, confused myself with those Miami/USC super teams of that era

Yeah. Jarrett was a kid that had his pick of schools and wanted to leave NJ.

Dwayne Jarrett: His road not taken

LOS ANGELES – Dwayne Jarrett knew before most of the rest of the country had any clue that Rutgers was building toward something under Coach Greg Schiano. He couldn’t help but notice, s…

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[JayDogSmooth]

The crux of the matter is that we are in year five with results that are not acceptable

You could spin it anyway you want with injuries, rebuilding, lack of NIL, portal, etc.

The fact of the matter is, although we are much better off than when Greg took over, we are still nowhere near where we should be, and do not appear to be on that trajectory, moving forward, while others who either started after us or who don’t have as near much potential, are either ahead of us, have gotten there already, or appear to be well on their way

That, at least to me, is the ultimate frustrating part

 

[yessir321]

The crux of the matter is that we are in year five with results that are not acceptable

You could spin it anyway you want with injuries, rebuilding, lack of NIL, portal, etc.

The fact of the matter is, although we are much better off than when Greg took over, we are still nowhere near where we should be, and do not appear to be on that trajectory, moving forward, while others who either started after us or who don’t have as near much potential, are either ahead of us, have gotten there already, or appear to be well on their way

That, at least to me, is the ultimate frustrating part

Not sure what you want me to say man. People think I'm a Penn State troll because from jump street I hated the idea of bringing back Schiano, was confident it wouldn't yield the results we were looking for, and understood that due to his history with the program and specifically the memories many of our biggest donors and boosters have of him would cause us to marry ourselves to a 7 win ceiling coach in this conference and divide the fanbase. And unfortunately that's what's happening before our very eyes. I don't see a reason to pile on anymore. Unfortunately it's not gonna change and with Greg's new extension it's REALLY not gonna change.

So at this point, I sit back, see what's going on, and just hope that one day we'll finally get a win vs PSU in the Big which realistically is the single biggest win I and essentially every RU fan I know craves

 

[Plum Street]

What made people think Greg ever wanted to hand off the program any time soon.? His mentor is Joe Paterno, a man who stuck around and coached into his 80s wearing a depends diaper. Greg Schiano has no plans on retiring, he will remain the Rutgers coach for the next 25 years if the administration so chooses. Unless something drastically changes with the athletic mission and its role with academics within the University, Greg Schiano will be our HC for a very, very long time, get used to it.

Probably true . Because schiano will do enough to get those minor bowls and the administration will be happy and he won’t get fired.
I also don’t see schiano becoming entangled in any type of scandal. Seems like a solid guy that runs his program with some ethics.

 

[RUTGERS95]

The issue is that RU was never going to win a shootout vs USC. Just not going to happen. But yes, it was open.

Have to shorten the game somehow, defense just couldn’t get a stop. Makes it difficult to win.

never going to win? USC is beatable, this year has plenty of evidence of that

 

[RUPete]

Jarrett was a a first team unanimous all American his true sophomore season at usc…I am pretty sure as a hs senior he was better than any of our guys at the time

Whatever. He was good but you said we had no one, which wasn’t true.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

The fact of the matter is, although we are much better off than when Greg took over, we are still nowhere near where we should be, and do not appear to be on that trajectory, moving forward, while others who either started after us or who don’t have as near much potential, are either ahead of us, have gotten there already, or appear to be well on their way

Where "should" we be?

DIFFICULTY: We have no NIL money and nobody is going to give us any NIL money.

 

[Plum Street]

Whatever. He was good but you said we had no one, which wasn’t true.

I think it was 04 where Moses muffed the punt against UConn that cost us the game.
But then he had a big touchdown catch up in hartford in 05 to help us win

 

[RUTGERS95]

The crux of the matter is that we are in year five with results that are not acceptable

You could spin it anyway you want with injuries, rebuilding, lack of NIL, portal, etc.

The fact of the matter is, although we are much better off than when Greg took over, we are still nowhere near where we should be, and do not appear to be on that trajectory, moving forward, while others who either started after us or who don’t have as near much potential, are either ahead of us, have gotten there already, or appear to be well on their way

That, at least to me, is the ultimate frustrating part

100%

 

[RUTGERS95]

Where "should" we be?

DIFFICULTY: We have no NIL money and nobody is going to give us any NIL money.

NIL isn't fixing Greg
NIL is just the new excuse for the Gregites

 

[RUPete]

I think it was 04 where Moses muffed the punt against UConn that cost us the game.
But then he had a big touchdown catch up in hartford in 05 to help us win

They were both good four year players for us when no one wanted to come here. I always feel bad for Tucker that he was hurt early in 2006.

 

[RU#1fan]

"Rebuild and stabilize" is what he does well.
"hopefully hand off to someone who can elevate it to the next level." might be a stretch to think he would admit he isn't capable of making RU one of the top B1G programs and leave on his own accord so RU could replace him with someone capable of making RU one of the B1G's best.
Even if he did, my worry would be RU wouldn't pay what it takes to bring in someone capable , but would gamble on one that would accept less to make RU a playoff contender

2.0 has won 24% of his B1G games. That % figure will probably decline further at year’s end based on what we have seen in the last 3 games. Not much better than Flood’s % record. Think about that.. 10 B1G wins in 5 years. And next year ? Forget about it. Stability yes… from a laughingstock to a still cellar doormat in the Conference. His has gotten good recruiting classes { # 39, #33, #57, #36 the last 4 years} and he has not developed them / added needed game ready depth. That falls on him.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Where "should" we be?

DIFFICULTY: We have no NIL money and nobody is going to give us any NIL money.

Not losing the Nebraska game
Not getting smoked by Wiscondin
Not losing to UCLA
Not getting pummeled by USC

5 years into GS 2.0, none of that is a big ask

 

[The RUT]

never going to win? USC is beatable, this year has plenty of evidence of that

I didn’t say that. I said we were never going to win a shoot out vs them.

That’s playing into their strength.

I posted this in another thread, but this is the least “schiano ball” team I’ve seen and it’s why we are struggling.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Not losing the Nebraska game
Not getting smoked by Wiscondin
Not losing to UCLA
Not getting pummeled by USC

5 years into GS 2.0, none of that is a big ask

and none of those had anything to do with NIL

 

[rurichdog]

Where "should" we be?

DIFFICULTY: We have no NIL money and nobody is going to give us any NIL money.

Do you make a habit of giving money to fund managers or companies that have shown zero savvy at managing money well? Do you like investing money in middling companies because gosh darnit, if everyone just gave them all their net worth they could afford to hire smarter executives and rent nicer office space like the market leaders do.

We have a few NIL collectives that don't seem to have much positive direction except hiring a boatload of former athletes who aren't touching base with fans. Seriously. I went on the web page for our most prominent collective and shook my head at their amateurish site (complete with a spelling error on the main page). What are their goals? Call them to discuss. What are their accomplishments? Call them to discuss future plans. Where does the money go? Call to discuss where you want the money to go. Sounds like they have no effing idea. The little money the collectives raise they piss away on quarterbacks who can't throw the ball.

The football coach has been through more offensive coordinators than he has socks, but still we can't put together a modern offense. College teams light up the scoreboard week in and week out. We score 20 and are pleasantly surprised. Very few athletes on the field who are noticeably better than their counterpart they line up against. And that's 5 years in.

Why would you give these people your money?

 

[Knight Shift]

I think the issue is this was supposed to be the 8 win year and it’s gonna be the 4 win one. His next shot at that 8 win season is when the next cycle of seniors are mostly returning starters and schedule line up - which won’t be for a long time.

8 by whom? The Talking heads? Long time fans should know better.

 

[RU_Goo]

8 by whom? The Talking heads? Long time fans should know better.

You didn’t think 8 was possible this season ? Even when we were 4-0 ?