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Hold up on Hurley?

But where is the $ risk? One Rutgers contract is 4 or 5 years at URI. Or more. And he can always go back to a crappy program after. Zero risk.

He supposedly has an NCAA caliber team next year. If he's successful next year, other easier jobs could come calling. I agree with what your saying, but i'm just speculating on what his reasons might be for turning the job down.
 
I'm sorry, but you have to win LESS games at RU to get to the eventual dance. You have to win significantly more games at a mid-major and schedule extremely well AND hope you don't get hosed like teams do every year if you have an off-game in your conference tournament (ie Monmouth, St. Bonaventure etc.)....URI did OK this year, but frankly they played horrific offense for long stretches and the injury argument only goes so far......I'm only VERY interested in Hurley, because he'll enforce that we play defense and guard people, which is the fastest way to rebuild and by default he should land 2 kids a year that can help RU. There is no easier job than RU's, the excuses and hurdles are so overblown, it's not even funny.

We went from 650K with Mike Rice to 1.2M with Eddie and we cashed him out with 2 full years to go (something unheard of in RU's past history) to almost $2M in less than 5-6 years time on coaching salary and compensation and the last "excuse" was, RU doesn't have the money to support hiring a quality coach....$2M a year is significant money in any conference, facilities or no facilities. I know there is significant interest in this job, despite the appearance that there is this "no one will come here BS", that the media spins to try and leverage RU or make RU look bad.

If you said you had to deal with no facilities and Barchi and 700K as your salary, fine, your argument holds water......but 1.5M to 2M is not chump change.....Anyone still saying same ol' RU just is bitter or not willing to accept the changes here.

And because Eddie Jordan couldn't coach, doesn't mean we don't have decent talent.....Sanders, Johnson and Williams for the next year or two, is an undersized backcourt, but is not god-awful.....its not like we have no pieces to work with and you can still get hired and add a piece or two quickly. Whomever takes this job has a better roster than Rice and Eddie started with in Year One.......
And Hawk, that mystery person is? The critical 24-48 hours is now up (you mentioned this Sunday).
 
He supposedly has an NCAA caliber team next year. If he's successful next year, other easier jobs could come calling. I agree with what your saying, but i'm just speculating on what his reasons might be for turning the job down.
Hurley can win a ton of games next year and his future is still the only the tri-state region. Cross off Seton Hall as they aren't looking for a coach, so where can he can get big money??
 
Hurley can win a ton of games next year and his future is still the only the tri-state region. Cross off Seton Hall as they aren't looking for a coach, so where can he can get big money??

he can go to a Temple, a Penn State, an Illinois, a Minnesota, a Wake Forest, a BC, Geo Tech for starters...win alot and two NCAA games and he can go higher Bobby Hurley had one good year at Buffalo and went out west to ASU.

or Hurley could disappoint and be stuck at URI...those are the options he weighs
 
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He supposedly has an NCAA caliber team next year. If he's successful next year, other easier jobs could come calling. I agree with what your saying, but i'm just speculating on what his reasons might be for turning the job down.
Supposedly is the key word. Endless examples of teams expected to make the tournament and fail to do so. There is always risk for coaches at lower levels turning down deals at bigger schools. You may hold out for a better offer that never comes.
 
Seems like the Hobbs honeymoon period is over and some are drawing up divorce papers. [jumpingsmile]
 
he can go to a Temple, a Penn State, an Illinois, a Minnesota, a Wake Forest, a BC, Geo Tech for starters...win alot and two NCAA games and he can go higher Bobby Hurley had one good year at Buffalo and went out west to ASU.

or Hurley could disappoint and be stuck at URI...those are the options he weighs
First question for you as a big hoops fan is do you think that Hurley is the best RU can do with their budget.
And your over rating Hurley ' s popularity as a basketball coach. There is zero chance for Temple anytime soon and less than zero at Penn State.
Hurley at Minnesota? Wake Forest???? Cmon
 
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First question for you as a big hoops fan is do you think that Hurley is the best RU can do with their budget.
And your over rating Hurley ' s popularity as a basketball coach. There is zero chance for Temple anytime soon and less than zero at Penn State.
Hurley at Minnesota? Wake Forest???? Cmon


You do realize Bobby Hurley went to Arizona State off of one NCAA appearance last year...doing it from URI makes more of a splash

As for $ its not just about money..many just arent interested
 
Where do get this from? Our support will go nuts if we get a coach that can win, and give us some hope. Our fans, for what we have endured, have been great.

Really? Even when the RAC was "rocking" we couldn't get 5k for an OOC game.
 
You do realize Bobby Hurley went to Arizona State off of one NCAA appearance last year...doing it from URI makes more of a splash

As for $ its not just about money..many just arent interested
I do realize what he has done and believe he has hit his apex in coaching. He is another ho hum hire.
BTW, you didn't answer my question. Is Hurley the best option for RU?
 
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Danny is early 40, making a mill. He knows he may only get one shot. Sure, he can get a smaller job if he fails, but he may not ever get another big shot. So he may hold out for what seems like an easier job. On the other hand, Herrion said no to you and never got a big job. Same with us and Pecora.
 
Danny is early 40, making a mill. He knows he may only get one shot. Sure, he can get a smaller job if he fails, but he may not ever get another big shot. So he may hold out for what seems like an easier job. On the other hand, Herrion said no to you and never got a big job. Same with us and Pecora.
My point is where is he going to get a big paying job? There is a reason he is 40+ and doesn't have a big job
 
Seems like some people didn't want Hurley until it appeared he may not want us. He is an ok selection and probably one of the best we may get but there are other options out there..along the lines of the Masiello types...who would probably be ok. Definitely many options other than Williams (which is comical). He wants to move quickly but it's not like we're losing our recruiting class if he doesn't..and from the looks of it, it doesn't matter anyway.

This program (and I use the term loosely) needs a coach who wants to be here. Otherwise, there is no way he could put in the energy that is needed. If Hurley is yankin our chain, I think Hobbs will know.

Hobbs has earned my trust in his brief time here by firing hiring Ash and firing Jordan. He knows basketball and until he hires a "Jay Williams", I have confidence he'll make a good hire. I still think this will play out well.
 
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I'm sorry, but you have to win LESS games at RU to get to the eventual dance. You have to win significantly more games at a mid-major and schedule extremely well AND hope you don't get hosed like teams do every year if you have an off-game in your conference tournament (ie Monmouth, St. Bonaventure etc.)....URI did OK this year, but frankly they played horrific offense for long stretches and the injury argument only goes so far......I'm only VERY interested in Hurley, because he'll enforce that we play defense and guard people, which is the fastest way to rebuild and by default he should land 2 kids a year that can help RU. There is no easier job than RU's, the excuses and hurdles are so overblown, it's not even funny.

We went from 650K with Mike Rice to 1.2M with Eddie and we cashed him out with 2 full years to go (something unheard of in RU's past history) to almost $2M in less than 5-6 years time on coaching salary and compensation and the last "excuse" was, RU doesn't have the money to support hiring a quality coach....$2M a year is significant money in any conference, facilities or no facilities. I know there is significant interest in this job, despite the appearance that there is this "no one will come here BS", that the media spins to try and leverage RU or make RU look bad.

If you said you had to deal with no facilities and Barchi and 700K as your salary, fine, your argument holds water......but 1.5M to 2M is not chump change.....Anyone still saying same ol' RU just is bitter or not willing to accept the changes here.

And because Eddie Jordan couldn't coach, doesn't mean we don't have decent talent.....Sanders, Johnson and Williams for the next year or two, is an undersized backcourt, but is not god-awful.....its not like we have no pieces to work with and you can still get hired and add a piece or two quickly. Whomever takes this job has a better roster than Rice and Eddie started with in Year One.......
Hawk,
I agree with a lot of what you said. What I don't see is the interest. Who else is interested other than Williams? Or Hobbs being very picky, thus the lack of names?
 
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I agree with a lot of what you said. What I don't see is the interest. Who else is interested other than Williams? Or Hobbs being very picky, thus the lack of names?

Maybe we shouldn't be making assumptions based on the NJ press and what they THINK is happening, or not happening, behind the scenes? IIRC they were about 95% CLUELESS during the search for our head football coach.
 
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If Hurley was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Are we not giving into his demands, or is he just playing us, it does not matter? And yes, I will support him if he ever becomes our coach. But, right now we must face the reality of the situation...he is not here.

Next...
 
What I'm not looking forward if/when Hurley says no is all of the negative media reports stating that "see, even Danny Hurley won't come here, it's no better or maybe worse than 3 years ago there, they can't get their act together, even Hobbs is powerless to turn this thing around, same old Rutgers, blah, blah, blah." Then, when the actual coach is hired, follow ups with local coaching legend Bob Sr who will dump on the program and restate all the reasons why we'll never be any good. I should stop reading these boards but can't help myself.
 
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Maybe we shouldn't be making assumptions based on the NJ press and what they THINK is happening, or not happening, behind the scenes? IIRC they were about 95% CLUELESS during the search for our head football coach.
I am just asking who is actually interested? Hobbs has publicly said he has spoken with 3 people. I get things are happening behind the scenes but I am unimpressed with our lower tier options after Hurley and Lonergan. I hope he has a trick up his sleeve.
 
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I just asking who is actually interested? Hobbs has publicly said he has spoken with 3 people. I get things are happening behind the scenes but I am unimpressed with our lower tier options after Hurley and Lonergan. I hope he has a trick up his sleeve.
Where have you read that Hobbs publicly said anything?
 
If Hurley was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Are we not giving into his demands, or is he just playing us, it does not matter? And yes, I will support him if he ever becomes our coach. But, right now we must face the reality of the situation...he is not here.

Next...

Call me crazy but I get the sense he's already said thanks, but no thanks.
 
I wonder if he is flying out to Denver...I didnt have a major issue with his celebrating with SHU and their fans BUT I would have a major issue with him being out there watching them
Hobbs canceled a donor event in NYC last night, saying in the email that it was due to needing to devote full time to the coaching search. I'd be really surprised if he did that if this isn't wrapped up by then.
 
Hurley has to ask for a 6-7 year deal averaging about $2 mil per year with assurances about facilities and other support. He would probably negotiate an easy out if these promises are not kept.

He probably is in a strong negotiating position since the other coaching options may not be as strong. With the RU job there will be off the court distractions because we have to be overly politically correct, show strong academic compliance, and please both the University and the state.
 
Could be that his "antics" are too close to Mike Rice. Maybe it's BS if that's the case, but Rice's legacy will haunt us for a long, long time.

We have offered him 2 million dollars per year. I don't think we're concerned about his antics. I think he's concerned that our program is such a complete and utter dumpster fire that it would become his first and last major coaching gig.
 
Considering that most new facilities across the country are being largely funded by donations and we can't even get a practice court... I stand by the worst Alumni support.
How long have you been supporting the program?

For what the fans have been through for the last 30 years, you really want to claim we have the worst Alumni support?

What happens when the shovels go in the ground for the practice facility. Will we still be the worst?

Sorry, taking shots at fans and alumni support is unfair. When we are competitive, are winning some games, and have some hope, there will be plenty of support. The commitment from RU comes first, then the support. Seems like we will finally get that commitment with what Hobbs is telling us.
 
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How long have you been supporting the program?

20+ years. But I certainly count myself among alumni who don't support the program to the extent that other programs get support. It is obviously a bit of a feedback loop, worse performance leads to worse support leads to worse facilities leads to worse performance. I'm not blaming the fans for not giving at a high level, lord knows that seems masochistic, but the fact is the support is weak. Whether or not there are good reasons for the weak support is a bit irrelevant to the point unless there is a clear way out of the poor support --> poor performance feedback loop.
 
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If Hurley was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Are we not giving into his demands, or is he just playing us, it does not matter? And yes, I will support him if he ever becomes our coach. But, right now we must face the reality of the situation...he is not here.

Next...
I agree 100%. If it was Hurley it would have happened already. He's trying to hold us up like he did last time around when he insisted on getting 7 years. The NCAA and NIT tournaments have started and after each round another batch of coaches becomes available to interview. Not every one will be interested, but there will be a whole lot more than there are now. No coach wants to be distracted or have his team distracted before a tournament game. Hurley may have already overplayed his hand.
 
Hurley will take the job. His resume is fine but nothing great. He knows that he is unlikely to get a better job. My bet is that he is grinding you on comp, country clubs, cars, etc. He will be announced shortly with an outstanding deal (for him) as he will exploit what he perceives to be a weak negotiating counterparty. This is financially smart on his part but he will make no friends at RU.
 
Hurley will take the job. His resume is fine but nothing great. He knows that he is unlikely to get a better job. My bet is that he is grinding you on comp, country clubs, cars, etc. He will be announced shortly with an outstanding deal (for him) as he will exploit what he perceives to be a weak negotiating counterparty. This is financially smart on his part but he will make no friends at RU.

might as well get whatever he can, because we'll have his rear end once he signs on the line. having to deal with whining assholes on the messageboards like bac2therac and rocktherac is worth country club membership. (just kidding boyz)
 
Danny is early 40, making a mill. He knows he may only get one shot. Sure, he can get a smaller job if he fails, but he may not ever get another big shot. So he may hold out for what seems like an easier job. On the other hand, Herrion said no to you and never got a big job. Same with us and Pecora.

This is a great example of the risks that "up and coming" coaches take when they turn down big jobs. Herrion went from winning league titles and NCAA appearances - got the Rutgers job - then took a big salary hike from Drexel instead. He stumbled a bit at Drexel after that before making the big jump to ECU where he was fired after a terrible job and ended up in New Hampshire.

Now I'm not saying Hurley is Herrion. There are also examples of guys holding off on a big offer to get an even bigger one. The point is that there is inherent risk in turning down a deal like the one Rutgers is offering Hurley.
 
If Hurley really believes his Rhody team is on the cusp of jumping to the top of the A-10 the RU job is not a no brainer.
 
Could be that his "antics" are too close to Mike Rice. Maybe it's BS if that's the case, but Rice's legacy will haunt us for a long, long time.

most people, like me, have a short attention span, I don't even think of Mike Rice at Rutgers anymore. I doubt anyone else in the country does either. Nobody outside of this forum cares about the Rice video these days, they don't care about Rutgers basketball, we're just a bad team, but there's lots of those.. Just hire the best coach for the job.
 
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