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How many more years does Pike get a pass with no tournament?

My man.

TAKING THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS YOU ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO IS NOT EXTORTING SOMEONE

This is quite possibly the dumbest ****ing opinion on this website, a website that contains @RUSCFORMERLYRULOU as a regular poster mind you, and you've posted it like 10 times.
Thanks for the lesson on contract law. I assume coach K and Jay Wright had years left on their contracts and walked away anyway.

I meant do we think he’s the type of guy who is going to lead the program into the dumpster fire to ensure he gets paid. I like many on this board feel like there’s no chance he ever turns it around here.

Sounds like you think no matter how spectacularly he fails he will stay for the duration of the contract. Obviously really bad for Rutgers.
 
Thanks for the lesson on contract law. I assume coach K and Jay Wright had years left on their contracts and walked away anyway.

I meant do we think he’s the type of guy who is going to lead the program into the dumpster fire to ensure he gets paid. I like many on this board feel like there’s no chance he ever turns it around here.

Sounds like you think no matter how spectacularly he fails he will stay for the duration of the contract. Obviously really bad for Rutgers.
I think he will finish out his contract unless he gets fired or gets a better offer elsewhere, yes. You know, like every normal coach does.
 
the buyout makes it relevant
Buyout
  • 2023-24: $15 million
  • 2024-25: $13 million
  • 2025-26: $11 million
  • 2026-27: $9 million
  • 2027-28: $7 million
  • 2028-29: $5 million
  • 2029-30: $3 million
  • 2030-31: $1 million
Rutgers hates buyouts and usually tries to keep the HC until the end of contract unless they can find a so cause
The 2029-30 season is when, in my opinion, RU will be willing to pony up and dump Pike if the MBB program isn't doing too well
fvckin hobbs.
 
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Remember when this site would shout anyone down who talked negatively about Hobbs or Pike, even though it was clear that we were not headed in the right direction? Thanks @Richie O
 
the buyout makes it relevant
Buyout
  • 2023-24: $15 million
  • 2024-25: $13 million
  • 2025-26: $11 million
  • 2026-27: $9 million
  • 2027-28: $7 million
  • 2028-29: $5 million
  • 2029-30: $3 million
  • 2030-31: $1 million
Rutgers hates buyouts and usually tries to keep the HC until the end of contract unless they can find a so cause
The 2029-30 season is when, in my opinion, RU will be willing to pony up and dump Pike if the MBB program isn't doing too well
$9mil shouldn’t be prohibitive to a big ten program
 
the buyout makes it relevant
Buyout
  • 2023-24: $15 million
  • 2024-25: $13 million
  • 2025-26: $11 million
  • 2026-27: $9 million
  • 2027-28: $7 million
  • 2028-29: $5 million
  • 2029-30: $3 million
  • 2030-31: $1 million
Rutgers hates buyouts and usually tries to keep the HC until the end of contract unless they can find a so cause
The 2029-30 season is when, in my opinion, RU will be willing to pony up and dump Pike if the MBB program isn't doing too well
Hobbs was a turd
 
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the buyout makes it relevant
Buyout
  • 2023-24: $15 million
  • 2024-25: $13 million
  • 2025-26: $11 million
  • 2026-27: $9 million
  • 2027-28: $7 million
  • 2028-29: $5 million
  • 2029-30: $3 million
  • 2030-31: $1 million
Rutgers hates buyouts and usually tries to keep the HC until the end of contract unless they can find a so cause
The 2029-30 season is when, in my opinion, RU will be willing to pony up and dump Pike if the MBB program isn't doing too well
These amounts are not what Rutgers owes Pike if Rutgers fires him. The figures are what Pike owes Rutgers if he leaves.

If Rutgers fires Pike after this season, Rutgers owes Pike $24 million.
 
Once again, those buyout numbers are not what it would cost to fire Pike. It's worse than you guys realize.

The number to fire Pike is currently around $24M (represents what he's still owed through 2031) and goes down by $4M (his annual salary) per year.
 
Once again, those buyout numbers are not what it would cost to fire Pike. It's worse than you guys realize.

The number to fire Pike is currently around $24M (represents what he's still owed through 2031) and goes down by $4M (his annual salary) per year.
I uploaded Steve Pikiell’s contract and the most recent amendment to ChatGPT and had it interpret to determine how much we’d owe if we fired him without cause today. Here’s the result:

“Based on the most recent amendment to Steve Pikiell’s contract , if Rutgers were to fire him without cause today (February 3, 2025), they would owe him his buyout amount, not his full remaining salary.

Buyout Amount

• According to the contract, the buyout for a termination by Rutgers without cause follows a declining scale.

• Between April 1, 2024, and March 31, 2025, the buyout is $13 million.

• Since today’s date falls within this window, Rutgers would owe Pikiell $13 million if they fired him without cause today.

This amount is separate from his annual salary and any other incentives he might be owed at the time of termination.
 
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I uploaded Steve Pikiell’s contract and the most recent amendment to ChatGPT and had it interpret to determine how much we’d owe if we fired him without cause today. Here’s the result:

“Based on the most recent amendment to Steve Pikiell’s contract , if Rutgers were to fire him without cause today (February 3, 2025), they would owe him his buyout amount, not his full remaining salary.

Buyout Amount

• According to the contract, the buyout for a termination by Rutgers without cause follows a declining scale.

• Between April 1, 2024, and March 31, 2025, the buyout is $13 million.

• Since today’s date falls within this window, Rutgers would owe Pikiell $13 million if they fired him without cause today.

This amount is separate from his annual salary and any other incentives he might be owed at the time of termination.
That contradicts what has been reported previously. Where did you get a copy of the actual contract from? I'd be curious to read it
 
Removing the contract issues (which is impossible but still), it's an interesting academic question.

Who has the longest non-tournament streak among active high-major HCs?

HC Pike is paid as a Top 30 HC and had the #2 recruiting class.
Missed tournament 2 years in a row.
Likely 3rd year currently.
Next year would make 4 years.

Are there any other HCs with 3-4 years of no tournament?
Are they just beginning their tenure and rebuilding the program (similar to when HC Pike first arrived)?
 
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I don’t know that the tourney is the litmus test. I believe it all depends on multiple factors like the roster, injuries, overall competitiveness, recruiting etc. he’s gonna get somewhat of a pass given nil and the injury to Harper this year imo. Arguably Rutgers got screwed two years ago.
 
I don’t know that the tourney is the litmus test. I believe it all depends on multiple factors like the roster, injuries, overall competitiveness, recruiting etc. he’s gonna get somewhat of a pass given nil and the injury to Harper this year imo. Arguably Rutgers got screwed two years ago.

I would imagine every coach in the country has a list of "shoulda, coulda, woulda" reasons for non-performance and missing key metrics (such as making the NCAA tournament) that they think are incredibly valid and "outsides just don't understand what we had to deal with".

Rutgers isn't as "different" as some make it out to be.
 
I would imagine every coach in the country has a list of "shoulda, coulda, woulda" reasons for non-performance and missing key metrics (such as making the NCAA tournament) that they think are incredibly valid and "outsides just don't understand what we had to deal with".

Rutgers isn't as "different" as some make it out to be.
I would argue we've had pretty bad luck the last few years. That doesn't mean it's necessarily enough of an excuse. But I definitely think our luck has been worse than average.
 
I think if nothing next season he would need to go but at Rutgers we will celebrate the most mediocre things as grand accomplishments. (Like being in the Dayton play in game or winning the Pinstripe Bowl).

I don’t think anyone is celebrating be in the Dayton game.

Think it’s more the overall accomplishment of 3 straight ncaa appearances, top 25 wins, etc, that people are celebrating.
 

I fed this plus the most recent Amendment to ChatGPT. I did the free trial to download the full documents.
Thanks for sharing. I read the relevant sections and confirming what I said earlier is accurate -- he'd be entitled to his remaining salary in full through 2031. Which is about $4M per year. To the extent he gets a job elsewhere, we'd only owe him any shortfall.

The buyout people keep citing is only if he gets poached by another school.
 
These amounts are not what Rutgers owes Pike if Rutgers fires him. The figures are what Pike owes Rutgers if he leaves.

If Rutgers fires Pike after this season, Rutgers owes Pike $24 million.
Yeah..saw the other post..it's even worse. For a lawyer Hobbs was dumb as a rock.
 
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I would imagine every coach in the country has a list of "shoulda, coulda, woulda" reasons for non-performance and missing key metrics (such as making the NCAA tournament) that they think are incredibly valid and "outsides just don't understand what we had to deal with".

Rutgers isn't as "different" as some make it out to be.
True but nil coming in is kind of a once in a lifetime change. To me if I was making the decision it would come down to whether or not I think pike can navigate the nil world well enough to have a roster that can compete for ncaa births consistently. Whether you make it or not and how far you go often comes down to luck. Some have a higher bar ie consistently top 30 program which means you are pretty much always in the tourney. That’s the expectation I think a lot of people here have.
 
. Whether you make it or not and how far you go often comes down to luck. Some have a higher bar ie consistently top 30 program which means you are pretty much always in the tourney. That’s the expectation I think a lot of people here have.
Luck?
How bout running plays and an offense that can move execute and score at a reasonable level. Make foul shots and threes at a reasonable level.
Losing that Houston game,the ND game, the Minny game and the home NIT weren't bad luck.
Top 20 - 50 isn't unreasonable I would suggest.
Doesn't matter. We're screwed here anyway.
 
Thanks for sharing. I read the relevant sections and confirming what I said earlier is accurate -- he'd be entitled to his remaining salary in full through 2031. Which is about $4M per year. To the extent he gets a job elsewhere, we'd only owe him any shortfall.

The buyout people keep citing is only if he gets poached by another school.
you’re right - I shouldn’t have trusted the bot haha but I just read the “termination without cause” section myself and we’d owe him his base compensation for the balance of the agreement. I definitely was operating with confirmation bias and did not check ChatGPT’s work initially
 
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Just wondering, if he does make a tourney in the next 2 years, does that buy him enough until the end of his contract?? Thinking with it being Rutgers and all that they could sign him to another contract, anything is possible.
If we don’t make the B1G tournament this year but make it next year, he’ll get an extension. Mediocrity is relative.
 
Any chance Pike pulls a Coach K or Jay Wright and just walks away or do we think he goes full C-Viv and tries to extort the university for the full contract amount?
I think he has way more class than C-Viv (i.e., I don’t think he would ever just take money without working for it), but I don’t think he walks away either.
 
Luck?
How bout running plays and an offense that can move execute and score at a reasonable level. Make foul shots and threes at a reasonable level.
Losing that Houston game,the ND game, the Minny game and the home NIT weren't bad luck.
Top 20 - 50 isn't unreasonable I would suggest.
Doesn't matter. We're screwed here anyway.
I thought you had me on ignore lol. Eh. We have to disagree on what’s lucky or not. Appreciate your comments!
 
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Thanks for the lesson on contract law. I assume coach K and Jay Wright had years left on their contracts and walked away anyway.

I meant do we think he’s the type of guy who is going to lead the program into the dumpster fire to ensure he gets paid. I like many on this board feel like there’s no chance he ever turns it around here.

Sounds like you think no matter how spectacularly he fails he will stay for the duration of the contract. Obviously really bad for Rutgers.
What's good for Rutgers? Is winning the only way to improve.
 
Luck?
How bout running plays and an offense that can move execute and score at a reasonable level. Make foul shots and threes at a reasonable level.
Losing that Houston game,the ND game, the Minny game and the home NIT weren't bad luck.
Top 20 - 50 isn't unreasonable I would suggest.
Doesn't matter. We're screwed here anyway.

Minny game was pretty bad luck lol. We made a ton of mistakes in the final minute but they still had to get absurdly hot to make that comeback.
 
Minny game was pretty bad luck lol. We made a ton of mistakes in the final minute but they still had to get absurdly hot to make that comeback.
I see your point with them knocking down most shots down the stretch, but I don’t know if I’d call it luck. They only shot 45% from three for the game, not outrageous and a lot at the end were open looks. Battle only shot 46% for the game so very warm but not out of his mind. When we played as bad as we did I can’t call it luck. Mulchay losing it off himself out of bounds. And throwing a poor cross court pick. Hyatt just had to turn and dribble across instead of throwing BACKWARDS in the middle of the floor. Even the lack of discipline by the bench singing and dancing to Bless the rains. We missed the ncaas because of that. That game maybe have been the beginning moment of the program spiraling down to where it is now.
 
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I would imagine every coach in the country has a list of "shoulda, coulda, woulda" reasons for non-performance and missing key metrics (such as making the NCAA tournament) that they think are incredibly valid and "outsides just don't understand what we had to deal with".

Rutgers isn't as "different" as some make it out to be.
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Thanks for sharing. I read the relevant sections and confirming what I said earlier is accurate -- he'd be entitled to his remaining salary in full through 2031. Which is about $4M per year. To the extent he gets a job elsewhere, we'd only owe him any shortfall.

The buyout people keep citing is only if he gets poached by another school.
Looking over what I posted and what you are saying, you are right and the buyout money I posted is like you said: if he leaves on his own.
If school terminates him without cause , full amount owed for years left
 
I see your point with them knocking down most shots down the stretch, but I don’t know if I’d call it luck. They only shot 45% from three for the game, not outrageous and a lot at the end were open looks. Battle only shot 46% for the game so very warm but not out of his mind. When we played as bad as we did I can’t call it luck. Mulchay losing it off himself out of bounds. And throwing a poor cross court pick. Hyatt just had to turn and dribble across instead of throwing BACKWARDS in the middle of the floor. Even the lack of discipline by the bench singing and dancing to Bless the rains. We missed the ncaas because of that. That game maybe have been the beginning moment of the program spiraling down to where it is now.

Well I say luck AND that other stuff, when you are up 12 or whatever with a minute left you can usually withstand a lot of stupid mistakes (and we made a lot).

But even with that if the refs see a guy go out of bounds at Ohio State we make the tournament. Or if we didn’t have to start Simpson at PG in his 4th game ever against Temple. Or if Mulcahy didn’t basically have a mental breakdown in Feb. Or if Mag didn’t get hurt. Or if we had a slightly different committee given ~every bracket guy had us in.

You won’t convince me we didn’t have horrible luck in 22-23. That said, we had good luck in 21-22
 
Well I say luck AND that other stuff, when you are up 12 or whatever with a minute left you can usually withstand a lot of stupid mistakes (and we made a lot).

But even with that if the refs see a guy go out of bounds at Ohio State we make the tournament. Or if we didn’t have to start Simpson at PG in his 4th game ever against Temple. Or if Mulcahy didn’t basically have a mental breakdown in Feb. Or if Mag didn’t get hurt. Or if we had a slightly different committee given ~every bracket guy had us in.

You won’t convince me we didn’t have horrible luck in 22-23. That said, we had good luck in 21-22
My problem with the OSU game was how we played that last full court Def possession
 
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Minny game was pretty bad luck lol. We made a ton of mistakes in the final minute but they still had to get absurdly hot to make that comeback.
IIRC we had some options not used like a TO and could have fouled? But again I could be wrong. your memory could very well be better than mine at my age.
 
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I see your point with them knocking down most shots down the stretch, but I don’t know if I’d call it luck. They only shot 45% from three for the game, not outrageous and a lot at the end were open looks. Battle only shot 46% for the game so very warm but not out of his mind. When we played as bad as we did I can’t call it luck. Mulchay losing it off himself out of bounds. And throwing a poor cross court pick. Hyatt just had to turn and dribble across instead of throwing BACKWARDS in the middle of the floor. Even the lack of discipline by the bench singing and dancing to Bless the rains. We missed the ncaas because of that. That game maybe have been the beginning moment of the program spiraling down to where it is now.
Crap .I forgot about TOTO.
 
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Well I say luck AND that other stuff, when you are up 12 or whatever with a minute left you can usually withstand a lot of stupid mistakes (and we made a lot).

But even with that if the refs see a guy go out of bounds at Ohio State we make the tournament. Or if we didn’t have to start Simpson at PG in his 4th game ever against Temple. Or if Mulcahy didn’t basically have a mental breakdown in Feb. Or if Mag didn’t get hurt. Or if we had a slightly different committee given ~every bracket guy had us in.

You won’t convince me we didn’t have horrible luck in 22-23. That said, we had good luck in 21-22
Wasn't the NCAA instructed to count the OSU game as a win for tournament consideration that year?
 
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