How many years until we have a Gary Waters like team?
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C'mon can we have some pride around here and hope for a little better than a Gary waters team? Maybe a little better than hoping for a team that never had a winning season in conference and treated every confernce road game as a no show job?
Maybe it's because we are Rutgers and considered a joke an embarrassment on many levels. But one day I hope we will have a team we can actually be proud of and not a Gary waters type team.
Maybe it's because we are Rutgers and considered a joke an embarrassment on many levels. But one day I hope we will have a team we can actually be proud of and not a Gary waters type team.
While I applaud the lofty goals of Plum Street; I too would be happy (in the short term) with a team that could equal the level of play during Gary's tenure.
3 years is fair. I think we'll see big improvement in play this year and modest improvement in wins this year. But we've got quite a few steps to climb.
To be a winning "program" we need kids to be taught by this staff for 4 years. Those upperclassmen have to be teaching the lowerclassmen and setting examples and expectations. The lack of continuity at Rutgers from a player perspective over the last 10 years can not be understated. Anything less than 4 years is a credit to this staff.
You know what I predicted....staying the course until I don't see it
I've been trying to say this for a while.....
You may call me crazy, but I feel its the magic of the RAC. Not only Waters teams but Bannon teams, Rice teams, and even FHJ teams all beat ranked opponents here. Hell even a Jordan team beat a top 5 Wisconsin team.
We may argue over how good this team is but noone can deny that this team is better than the last couple of years. I think we will see some magic this year.
You may call me crazy, but I feel its the magic of the RAC. Not only Waters teams but Bannon teams, Rice teams, and even FHJ teams all beat ranked opponents here. Hell even a Jordan team beat a top 5 Wisconsin team.
We may argue over how good this team is but noone can deny that this team is better than the last couple of years. I think we will see some magic this year.
Magic is for Penn and Teller. I just want hustle , smarts and a competitive team that is trying to develop a brand. And a coach who doesn't do naked foul shooting or scream and throw projectiles at players or stalk other coaches at baseball games.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Feel the magic of the RAC in a game we had no business winning but a team that hustled, was smart and was competitive
I'll bite....5 years with gary from kenpom. 105-103-73-142-141. One can argue, as I would, that isn't bad based on his coaching budget and everything else.
looking for b1G recent equivalents.
2016
140 penn State 16-16 7-11
125 illinois 15-19 5-13
2015
121 nebraska 13-18 5-13
122 northwestern 15-17 6-12
2016
76 Ohio State 21-14 11-7
68 northwestern 20-12 8-10
85 nebraska 16-18 6-12
2015
82 penn state 18-16 4-14
74 michigan 16-16 8-10
looking for b1G recent equivalents.
2016
140 penn State 16-16 7-11
125 illinois 15-19 5-13
2015
121 nebraska 13-18 5-13
122 northwestern 15-17 6-12
2016
76 Ohio State 21-14 11-7
68 northwestern 20-12 8-10
85 nebraska 16-18 6-12
2015
82 penn state 18-16 4-14
74 michigan 16-16 8-10
I don't think it should take more than 3 years for Pikiell with the staff he has to produce\a roster that can be counted on making the NIT 3 out of 5 years like Waters teams did.
The question should be: when will Rutgers have a roster good enough that we can expect to see constant NCAA invites.
That should be answered in Pikiell's 4th year by the type of recruits he's starting to bring in after 3 years on the job.
The question should be: when will Rutgers have a roster good enough that we can expect to see constant NCAA invites.
That should be answered in Pikiell's 4th year by the type of recruits he's starting to bring in after 3 years on the job.
A Gary Waters like team may not be far away. He had some talent to work with, but he also had his "secret" (i.e. hard work; blue collar attitude on the court). I remember a story that one of his players at Kent State said during the NIT game vs RU that the Rutgers players "didn't know the secret" (or something to that effect).
I think SP brings a very similar attitude and can get us to being a .500 team in a year or two. I know we'll be more competitive and may surprise a couple of teams this year. Once going to games is fun again, the RAC that we love will be back. That's not far away. In the near term (3 years), I would sign up for a GW like team in a heartbeat.
I think SP brings a very similar attitude and can get us to being a .500 team in a year or two. I know we'll be more competitive and may surprise a couple of teams this year. Once going to games is fun again, the RAC that we love will be back. That's not far away. In the near term (3 years), I would sign up for a GW like team in a heartbeat.
I wish I shared the same optimism. We are so far behind right now. We play in a incredible conference with schools who have $, fanbases. and history. Right now we have ZERO going for us. I am not saying this to be negative. I just think people need to understand how difficult it is going to be. Done correctly think 8-10 years. The person taking Mike Williams scholarship spot won't see the practice facility and Rutgers having real success. The person taking his spot might.
People need to be honest with themselves...you have a 15 year old child who is an outstanding basketball player who is coveted by major conference schools. Rutgers is NOT on your radar, end of story.
I wouldn't mind first getting back to the Gary Water's teams level whereby any top 20 team coming into the RAC was looking at a potential upset.
Let's examine your post:
"...think 8-10 years." This doesn't even make sense. 8-10 years to do what, whatever is being talked about in this thread? Get to "Gary Waters level" meaning what, win 17 games? Does this involve Pikiell failing completely, getting fired after year 4, then a new guy coming in and slowly building it, is that how you envision it going? Because nothing in college sports takes place on a timeline of 8-10 years, if you follow the sport you would know that.
"The person taking Mike Williams scholarship spot won't see the practice facility..." Mike Williams graduates after next year, the 2017-18 season. So the person taking his spot will be a class of 18-19 freshman. The conservative timeframe for the facility being completed is summer of 2019. So at the latest, it would be ready prior to that player's sophomore year.
"...player who is coveted by major conference schools. Rutgers is NOT on your radar." First, this is a bizarre statement for a Rutgers fan to make. Second, it is already completely wrong as we have landed players with major conference offers in the last several months. And as Pikiell continues to do so in the future, this will prove to be spectacularly, laughably wrong.
Otherwise, good post.
had a long post (see the board) predicting our NCAA draught would reach the same 27 years we went without a bowl game in football, but, On March 11, 2018 we would be announced as the 10 seed in the NCAA tournament
8-10 years to make the post season (NCAA/NIT) 3 out of 5 years.
The person taking Mike Williams spot is looking at Rutgers now. He is not interested in a blueprint or a shovel.
i say again...you have Wisconsin, Duke and Virginia majorly interested in your son. You may be polite to Rutgers, but right now it isn't an option.
The person taking Mike Williams spot is looking at Rutgers now. He is not interested in a blueprint or a shovel.
i say again...you have Wisconsin, Duke and Virginia majorly interested in your son. You may be polite to Rutgers, but right now it isn't an option.
GRF, I usually like and respect your posts but you seem to have fallen off the track on your statement regarding Mike Williams replacement. You are wrong at times like when you stated that the Ridge B-ball coach was better than Phil Colicchio of Linden or like the day you were wearing your Seton Hall basketball shirt at the Linden-Ridge game. I am still shocked about that one.
Zero going for us?Huh?
8-10 years?Noone gets that long in any profession to become reputable.
We will have a team this year that no longer loses by more than 15 point, if healthy.
In 2-3 years, we have a team that loses by no more than 10 points.
We will be competitive from here on out. Especially since Pikiell brings in his own players from here on out. He knows what he wants.
8-10 years FIG, sheesh.
The prime piece is in control right now.From here on out, it is upward.
Okay, 8-10 for NCAA/NIT. I still think its more like 3-5.
Basketball is not extremely complicated. It starts with the right person at the top, and good people around him. We have that in place now. I believe that.
Basketball is not extremely complicated. It starts with the right person at the top, and good people around him. We have that in place now. I believe that.
GRF, You might not now but in the state tournament game at Ridge when Linden defeated Ridge 55-44 in the state sectional final in 2015 you were sitting several rows above me wearing a Seton Hall shirt. I even commented to you at the time on this forum and wondered if you were in cognito. I still can't believe it.
Just trying to preach patience. Need the right coaching staff (check, I believe), need facilities (check), need on court success, need to get RAC full. Once we have that we can start getting on the radar of a kid that attends Wisconsin, Michigan State or even Maryland.
knights1212 you are now correct.
knights1212 you are now correct.
On court success and the RAC full are synonymous. FIshing in different ponds does not hurt. Take a two star with five star effort over a five star with two start effort-Coach k.
It can be built without going after the big fishes. Proven-Geo Baker. Keep an eye on him. Just wait.
GRF, Thank you. Maybe it wasn't a B-Ball shirt but it did have SHU on it. We all make mistakes in our lives. You are forgiven but please don't make this mistake again. I usually enjoy your posts. I know you really know a lot about Kenpom and you usually see things on the court that many observers do not. Is the big kid from Ridge at Boston U and do you know how he is doing? He was a good player.
I hear you. It would have nice, and it would have been earlier. Onto the next one though. I trust the staff. Alverado had a ceiling. I know you watched him play, and I know why he was great, but at a certain point there would be no higher point to reach. Again, you know a ton more than I do.
Just feel Jose is the type of recruit we need at this time. Hard nosed and smart, its no secret the staff was really targeting him for these reasons. I have faith that the staff will identify their type of players, and more importantly, develop them.
