How will an 18-team conference tournament work?
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Wouldn't waste your time thinking about it. By the time all is said and done B1G will have 32 or 64 teams and we'll skip the regular season and just go straight to our own March Madness. Everyone qualifies and gets paid cuz that's what's most important.
Probably 14 automatically in, then 2 play in games making a 16 team B1G Tourney with the winners of them added
Somehow Rutgers won’t get a full share
How about this?
Top 4 teams get double bye. Plus next 2 get single bye.
Bottom 12 teams play opening round game. Six left.
That leaves 12 teams remaining (the 6 survivors of round one plus the six byes). Of those, 8 teams (the 6 survivors plus the 2 single byes) square off in second round. 4 of those left.
That leaves 8 total for your quarters, semi, and final.
Competition breeds improvement and the requirements to keep up. All of these things bring RU to the next level. Hopefully some of the fans understand this will shed some past rivals or opponents, which is a good thing.
I don’t think they would schedule more than four games per day. Play-in would have to be Tuesday to get to 16 and then after Wednesday night you’re down to 12 teams…then 8 then 4 then 2 after Saturday. So a play-in winner turned BIG Champ would have to win 6 games (the equivalent winning the NCAA tournament) in 6 days.😂
MY God I hope Hobbs negotiated some kind of deal to forgive our loans when UCLA/USC were given full share right off the bat in 2024. Otherwise, we've still got to pay them back until 2027. Now that would be a kick in the nuts especially with athletics still broke. No loans to pay back you can then divert some of our limited boosters to NIL.
Was thinking the same.
My guess : tournament starts Tuesday night and still ends on Sunday.
Tuesday : 2 games with bottom 4 schools ( 2 teams eliminated)
Wed: 4 games ( 4 teams eliminated)
Thursday: 4 games ( 4 teams eliminated)
Friday : Quarterfinals ( 4 teams eliminated)
Saturday : Semi finals ( 2 teams eliminated )
Sunday : Championship game
I also wonder where tournaments will be. I’m sure sites will vary annually and there may be a big 10 tourney in Los Angeles or even Vegas
Now I understand how Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, etc. fans felt when we were added.
Let top 6 teams stay home and rest up for the NCAA tournament so B1G can finally make noise in NCAAs
Go to 24 teams and have 2 12 team leagues with the bottom 2 teams from A league get relegated each year and top 2 from B get promoted.
So there’s a chance big 10 can poach Monmouth ? 🤔
Another relevant question: with 18 teams next year , does conference increase league games from 20 to 22 or higher or does it stay at 20 and you maintain rivalries to ensure 2 meetings per year?
For next year you can play all 17 others once and 3 more twice for 20 games…which could allow the 4 PAC12 teams to have home and homes against one another. Teams that accidentally wind up with road games against tougher than average teams would at least get the benefit of higher SOS.
Then…If you don’t allow all 18 teams into the BIG tournament and keep it at 14 you run the small risk of having say an 8-12 15th seed without a chance to play it’s way into the tourney. Will be interesting.
Stewart Mandel is probably very close to where things are ultimately headed.
Andy Katz earlier today on btn : initial discussions are to remain at 20 conference games. TBD are how big 10 tourney will work - how many teams and sites etc.
Thought the plan was 22 game when it announced that big ten was going to 16…
Sounds familiar that someone posted that on here. Non conference scheduling would become even more of a true science.
This whole thing ends in one giant disaster.
Would definitely prefer 22 game schedule. Hope Andy Katz is wrong but he did say what he heard was quite preliminary
Being the only one in the NY/NJ metropolitan area I like our chances. Our location saved us once, made the B1G a boatload of money and will again.
This has always been my concern. Hoops definitely allievating my fears!
An outcome where there is only a 28 team super league will kill junior football, leading to a massive decline in collegiate participation and a long term effect of not having enough NFL talent to sustain pro football.
Didn't they play their conference tournament early a few years ago at MSG and still crapped their pants in the tournament?
Since they added 4 teams, it will just push everything back 1 round, so the 2 play-ins are tuesday night instead of Wednesday, and from there on everything is the same.
I stand by my word that the Big Ten basketball tournament is the coolest in-person festival to attend in college sports
I stand by my word that the Big Ten basketball tournament is the coolest in-person festival to attend in college sports
Highly unlikely. As long as it’s Fox vs Espn, there will always be 2 divisions.
It will eventually be an expanded B1G and SEC
The old Big East tournament at MSG was the coolest college event. Hands down !
I went to the Big 10 tourney in Indy in 2022 and it was ok.
It was nowhere near the atmosphere compared to the Old Big East tourney imho.
I hope to go another big 10 tourney shortly especially given the expansion of the conference.
Hopefully there’s another tourney to be held east shortly and Vegas sounds cool another year for the fans / admin of the western schools 🤔
Yeah. Gives the decent the 8-12 or 9-13 15 seed who was screwed schedule-wise a shot to impress the committee on a neutral court at least.
The mid old big east, when Rutgers was in and so was Miami, was the best
Tournament was great. Unfortunately, our team never was. And attending the two years Rutgers didn't even qualify for the Big East Tournament was pretty depressing.
Cheer up. We were not the worst program in Big East basketball history. Just the second worst! Virginia tech’s conference run was worse than us. Although , they knocked us off the bubble in 2004 when we didn’t box out
18 team conference, 22 conference games is the easiest to schedule.
Think of it in pods of 6 teams.
5 teams twice in your pod, Home and Road over 2 yrs other 12 teams.
10+12
Geographically looks like this but you can swap Indiana/Purdue with NW/ILL or Mich/MSU but I'd like to see the Indiana teams in our pod 😉
Pod 1 MD, RU, Penn St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue
Pod 2 Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, MSU, NW, Illinois
Pod 3 UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, Nebraska, Iowa
Conference tournament won't be pretty over 6 days.
Think of it in pods of 6 teams.
5 teams twice in your pod, Home and Road over 2 yrs other 12 teams.
10+12
Geographically looks like this but you can swap Indiana/Purdue with NW/ILL or Mich/MSU but I'd like to see the Indiana teams in our pod 😉
Pod 1 MD, RU, Penn St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue
Pod 2 Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, MSU, NW, Illinois
Pod 3 UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, Nebraska, Iowa
Conference tournament won't be pretty over 6 days.
Except last year told us the conference tournaments meant basically nothing for selection
Michigan didn’t get a bid either. And Purdue wound up leaving the NCAA tournament early yet again.
How many times does it need to be explained why USC and UCLA are getting full shares?
They are the only additions the B1G has made at the time of contract negotiations, so the TV partners considered those schools’ inclusion as part of the package and the revenue total in the deal accounts for 16 teams not 14.
EVERY other addition was done at a time a contract was already in effect and there was no immediate revenue from the TV partners to cover a full share.
Rutgers got screwed in that the B1G seems to base its partial shares on the revenue a school was making in its old conference (which hurt us by starting us low) but nothing about USC/UCLA getting a full share is insulting to Rutgers.
That's completely separate from why Rutgers/UMD/Nebraska/UW/OU are taking reduced shares.
They were all buying an equity stake in the BTN.
It was 1/11 then went to 1/12 per school when Nebraska joined.
Neb needed to pay for that dilution - money going to the other equity holders.
Even if Nebraska joined at a new media deal - they still needed to pay the other schools to buy their share.
USC and UCLA are paying nothing for their equity share.
Rutgers is going from 1/14th to 1/16th with it appears no compensation.
Yes, the media deal accounts for USC and UCLA.
But did they each add so much to the media deal to pay for a 1/16th share of BTN?
Or did they just add to the media deal so everyone broke even?
They need to add above and beyond even to pay for their equity share.
If USC/UCLA are receiving the same full payout as everyone else then they are paying zero for their 1/14th equity shares.
As you correctly pointed out - the payment for that equity share was awful and arbitrary.
Rutgers and UMD bought in at the same time but paid different prices for their 1/14th share.
Note - I know it's not actually 1/14th share because Fox owns 60% of the BTN and the schools own 40% but its the same point. Rutgers will own 1/18th of 40% of the BTN.
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