I feel bad for Tiger

[zappaa]

Ask any player who's competed at the highest level, an above the neck problem is far harder to overcome than I neck down problem. Yes, his mechanics are now atrocious on the course but it has nothing to do with ability or any physical limitation. IMO…weening himself off roids, which is very hard mentally and the fact the world found out in horrible fashion he was a fraud in his personal life, is to much to overcome.
I know Chase is going to come back with he lacks commitment and doesn't practice, but you could take any gifted high level professional golfer, have them lay off a full year, and he'd come back hitting the ball solid…unless he was a head case.
Tiger still has a chance to recover, believe it or not, down the road I think he'll get his game back, but it will NOT be because of practice, somehow his mind will allow it.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Do not discount the impact of some of the injuries - and the surgical repairs. Golf is so incredibly dependent upon precision - and Tiger had surgical repairs that made micro-alterations to his bio-mechanics. Minor changes in the geometry of his knee & the associated biomechanics have significant impact over the span of 72 holes - minor compensatory adjustments can throw off various other elements of his swing. It might be possible for a younger guy to retrain a multitude of fine motor movements but it is a lot harder for a guy who is far into a more mature stage of his game. You are right that a huge amount is now going to depend on his mind - the psychological 'head in the game' part and the control of motion part.

 

[Abro1975]

He needs to swallow his pride and call up Butch Harmon. They are still friends, and the golf guys on tv and magazines say Butch would straighten him out if only Tiger called.

 

[jay_hq]

The man is making $80 million a year...

Hes making more than $9000 every hour.. 24 hours a day. Thats after a lot of sponsers dropped him.

that is on top on the half billion dollars he has in the bank.

To top that all off hes ****ed numerous hot blonde models and porn stars

Yeah... I feel just absoloutely terrible for tiger woods.

How does such a miserable person like him sleep at night???

 

[zappaa]

you can have all the money in the world and commit suiside because you're miserable.

If Mike Tyson had only went back to D'amato, Atlas and Rooney...it would have made no difference, he was to far gone, and was to much of a head case.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

What jay_hq said...seriously!

 

[RUMBA-JK]

you can have all the money in the world and commit suiside because you're miserable.

If Mike Tyson had only went back to D'amato, Atlas and Rooney...it would have made no difference, he was to far gone, and was to much of a head case.

Not disagreeing with the basic sentiment - but D'Amato died shortly before Tyson became the youngest world heavyweight champ - there wasn't really a way for Mike to get back with D'Amato - Tyson may have been destined to become a 'head case' - but suspect that the loss of D'Amato expedited his progression toward "out of control head case"

 

[DHajekRC84]

Karma... but I agree. I am glad to see how he is handling things but I think he is just over complicating the solve. he looks "done" with the game unless he does something soon.

 

[wheezer]

tiger has had so much success for a long time that I do not feel sorry for him......like many others who competed, a willie mays, a Mickey mantle etc, his skill declines and probably should bow out......unlike a mantle or a Maris I can see tiger Possibly winning an isolated event, but probably never be near what he was.....I would retire if it were me.....he doesn't Need the money and he is no longer a top golfer

 

[knightfan7]

The ego and single mindedness that made him the best in the world is what's hurting him today.

He's a different person now and almost 40. Don't know if Harmon could help him all that much. It's all on Tiger.

 

[MADHAT1]

(My opinion) Tigers problems started when his Dad died and he didn't have someone to counsel him on the way to run his life anymore. It didn't show at first but gradually dragged down from the best.
But like any top athlete injuries, ego , age and many other things sap the talent from the best in any sport, so Tiger is less productive
because of those things and his refusal to admit he might need help from those he decided didn't fit in his career anymore.

If he used drugs to gain a competitive edge, Woods deserves no sympathy for falling from the top because he stopped using them.
One can fall into the trap of using drugs and/or alcohol for recreational use and have those vices overcome common sense and not be
scorned when they are found out and stop using them .
But if an athlete resorts to using substances to gain a competitive edge, they deserve not one bit of sympathy because they stopped using them
and their performance suffered because of that., in my opinion.
So if Tiger used roids and they enhanced his performance in competition , I don't feel one bit sorry for his not being on top because not using roids is a part of his fall from grace. .

 

[Caliknight]

He has been a major prick, but I am starting to feel bad for him. I have never seen a pro hit a grounder like he did yesterday. His head is a mess.

 

[zappaa]

What jay_hq said...seriously!

Just curious, what do you agree with jay about?
Are you sure you would trade your integrity, family, wife, respect, privacy and piece of mind for any amount of money?
Whores and porn stars get very old, without connection you are miserable.

 

[JPhoboken]

He has been a major prick, but I am starting to feel bad for him. I have never seen a pro hit a grounder like he did yesterday. His head is a mess.

I have mixed emotions about Tiger. Kinda like your mother in law driving off a cliff in your brand new car.

On one hand, I have never been a TIger fan. Doesn't seem like a nice guy. He is notoriously cheap, a bad tipper, just comes off as douche sometimes. and I always rooted for the underdog to take him down.

On the other hand, I have always respected his talent and will to win.

To me I think physically the surgeries and injuries have taken its toll, lack of play breeds inconsistently. Couple this with his desire to be perfect and his never ending chasing of a new swing and this is what you get.

I just don't understand how he can't find a shot to find the fairway. He seems to swing at 110% at every shot. I have always heard pros swing at 80-90%. Maybe dialing it back a bit would help him be more consistent. What happened to his "stinger" 3 wood shot that found the fairway every time?

Even though I am not a TIger fan, it is tough to watch someone who was so good and dominating play this bad. I don't feel sorry for him though. He's had so much luck and success in his life. Other people have a lot worse things happen to them, I think he can survive a downturn in his golfing skills toward the end of his career.

 

[Veiox]

I agree with Zap, that he is a mess mentally and that is why he has played so badly on course. I have seen numerous reports that he is fine on the driving range and even practice rounds. But on course, when every single shot counts, he seems to get off kilter and can't keep it together. Classic head case issues. As for the reason for his mental demise, could be any number of reasons mentioned above.

 

[Knightmoves]

He has been a major prick, but I am starting to feel bad for him. I have never seen a pro hit a grounder like he did yesterday. His head is a mess.

That 3 wood he cold cocked on the 18th fairway was one of the worst shots I've ever seen a tour pro hit. He clearly is lost when he is on the course during tournament play. He stripes every shot on the range but chokes on the course. That tells me that injuries are not his problem.

As far as losing his way in life when he lost his Dad, I'm not buying that as a legitimate excuse for his problems. He was living a lie while his Dad was alive, claiming to be a family man while banging every waitress and porn star he came across. Besides, his Dad was a whoremonger himself, so maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree. And don't we all lose our Dads at some point in life ? Does that excuse us from exhibiting reckless behavior that hurts our friends and families ?

 

[MADHAT1]

That 3 wood he cold cocked on the 18th fairway was one of the worst shots I've ever seen a tour pro hit. He clearly is lost when he is on the course during tournament play. He stripes every shot on the range but chokes on the course. That tells me that injuries are not his problem.

As far as losing his way in life when he lost his Dad, I'm not buying that as a legitimate excuse for his problems. He was living a lie while his Dad was alive, claiming to be a family man while banging every waitress and porn star he came across. Besides, his Dad was a whoremonger himself, so maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree. And don't we all lose our Dads at some point in life ? Does that excuse us from exhibiting reckless behavior that hurts our friends and families ?

His dad was a big part of his life and could be , despite all the BS both Tiger and his dad did, the father kept Tiger more into his golf game and listing to those who could help him professionally.
Outside the fairway is a different issue .
But I'm just speculating now, as I did when said: "My opinion) Tigers problems started when his Dad died and he didn't have someone to counsel him on the way to run his life anymore."
Could be his dad helped him live that lie without hurting his game and when dad died, Tiger couldn't live the lie and play the game the same way.
Getting caught by his wife didn't help his image either :eek:

 

[rutexan84]

Like my Aunt Rosie used to say...I'm sure he's crying all the way to the bank.

 

[j10oreo]

To top that all off hes ****ed numerous hot blonde models and porn stars

Ah yes..... life was a success

 

[superfan01]

Love how the op throws out roids.
What facts do u or anyone have that tiger took roids. Zero.

 

[Bones131]

Zap, you look at this differently because you know what it is like to play at the highest level. The average person doesn't. The rest of us see someone that can walk away at any time with no worries about making a mortgage payment, obtaining the best health care, paying the tuition bill, or working his hands raw so the kids can have a better Christmas this year. I think the media in the internet age is far too harsh, but that's one of the unfortunate trade-offs of being a celebrity.

 

[chase07470]

Jason Day on Tiger Woods:

"It just totally depends on the person, how hard he's working, because the top guys in the world, they're working their tails off. It just depends on how much you want it. It's tough."

Tiger Woods couldn't practice for the US Open after the Memorial...blisters on his hands. Anyone playing twice a week doesn't get blisters after the start of the season.

I know he thinks he can "peak his game" before the Masters and again during the run through end of June through the PGA. Clearly, he's not close to being able to do that. I agree with Day, it depends how bad he wants it and think this embarrassment is going to make him really think about committing or retiring.

There's also the surgery. He may not even be allowed to practice, that much. I'm watching three different buddies, all low handicap players, trying to get back to where they were after a back surgery, a shoulder surgery and an elbow surgery. In all three cases, the fluidity, the confidence to go after it and the touch in their swings is lacking and nowhere close to what they were just last summer. None will play back to back days, they don't practice for fear of re-injury. All had operations towards the end of 2014. So who knows what's going on with Tiger's recovery? You'll never get a straight answer from him on an injury, hates talking about it.

He was tied for fifth after three rounds of the Masters. Clearly, there's something left in the tank. We'll see where it ends up but right now, it's not looking good for us Tiger fans. Sure isn't fun to watch him struggle.

This course is annoying me. Any greenskeeper, at any club would get fired for the conditioning and playability of those greens. Mike Davis at the USGA is an idiot. There was nothing wrong with the US Open, the way it was. Known as the toughest test in golf and he turns it on its head and now has these guys playing on greens so bad, a $12 muni in El Paso would be embarrassed.

 

[beaced]

I have mixed emotions about Tiger. Kinda like your mother in law driving off a cliff in your brand new car.

On one hand, I have never been a TIger fan. Doesn't seem like a nice guy. He is notoriously cheap, a bad tipper, just comes off as douche sometimes. and I always rooted for the underdog to take him down.

On the other hand, I have always respected his talent and will to win.

To me I think physically the surgeries and injuries have taken its toll, lack of play breeds inconsistently. Couple this with his desire to be perfect and his never ending chasing of a new swing and this is what you get.

I just don't understand how he can't find a shot to find the fairway. He seems to swing at 110% at every shot. I have always heard pros swing at 80-90%. Maybe dialing it back a bit would help him be more consistent. What happened to his "stinger" 3 wood shot that found the fairway every time?

Even though I am not a TIger fan, it is tough to watch someone who was so good and dominating play this bad. I don't feel sorry for him though. He's had so much luck and success in his life. Other people have a lot worse things happen to them, I think he can survive a downturn in his golfing skills toward the end of his career.

Jack Nicklaus suggested to shorten his driver. Even said to put a driver head on his 3 wood and use that off the Tee.Hey,Jack said.

 

[JPhoboken]

Jack Nicklaus suggested to shorten his driver. Even said to put a driver head on his 3 wood and use that off the Tee.Hey,Jack said.

I think the point many are driving at is that Tiger woods, a dominant player and the 2nd best player of all time, should be able to come up with a shot that gets him in the fairway. If he can't do this, nothing else really matters, he will never score well enough to win.

He should forget about the yips and find something to get the ball in the fairway.

 

[rutger80]

I've been trying to think of equivalents to Tiger in the sense that he was a dominant force and then lost it completely. In golf, probably Ian Baker-Finch and in baseball, Steve Blass. Anyone else come to mind?

 

[rubaseball78]

I agree and disagree with Zap. Agree that the mental part of his game is lacking today. However, I don't fee sorry for him. He was on top for a long time now he is not. He had his health and should be set for life.

 

[jtung230]

Tiger has nothing to prove. He is the best golfer period. He changed the game and took the game to the next level. Just look at the golfers now vs pre Tiger. Golfers now look like athletes not guys who chain smoke after they hit a tee shot. Golfers were looked at on par with professional bowlers, a lot of skill but not athletes. No one has won more than Tiger in the same time span.