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If we go winless the rest of the season, and the games are not close…

GoodOl'Rutgers said:
You gonna change the title of this thread to "What if Rutgers goes 0-3 and blah blah blah?"

Oh, I see.. you considered that and used "winless the rest of the season".. that way it is good to go until the last game... then you can change it to "If we lose the bowl game, blah blah blah".
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Why would I do that?

I’m in the lot at 7 AM, at the game, rooting for us to win, posting on a message board

Why the **** would I be rooting for us to lose?

If you’ve read any of my previous post, which judging by you tone, you haven’t, I’ve given credit where it was due, and said, I fully expect us to come out of the by week, looking good, and predicted a win

If my bluntness around Gregg and my frustrations with him aren’t to your liking, tough shit

I’ve given him credit and credit is due, and will call out his shortcomings when I see fit

It’s a message board , where fans are permitted to voice their frustrations, as well as ceiebrate victories
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
Is there any chance Gregg would be on the chopping block, or, more likely,when the new president and A.D. come in, given an ultimatum to start winning or else?

Yes, I know his buyout is massive, and they just signed up to an extension, but that would be taking a significant step back from the last few seasons and specifically, last year

Yes, I know we have an exceptional recruiting class coming in (as of now) and I’m hoping that he can keep it together, but that would be especially challenging if this situation were to happen
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You were saying? :>)
 
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RU848789 said:
You were saying? :>)
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Kudos to Greg
Like I’ve said, he has the boys ready to go post bye weeks

Being that i have season tickets and donate a decent amount of money to the program, I’d be an idiot if I didn’t root for them to win (also, the guys funding the program are generally the most outspoken, because they’re writing the damn checks)

It’s generally the old, cranky guys on here that come to Greg’s defense when someone dares question him

Which is ironic, as a lot of them are more concerned with losing their parking spots (rather than losing games), and most don’t donate to NIL (which, in case you’ve been living under a rock, has become the single biggest indicator or whether or not will be successful in the future)
 
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mildone said:
If not hate, why smell and shaped like hate?

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Liked for the dog gif.
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
Kudos to Greg
Like I’ve said, he has the boys ready to go post bye weeks

Being that i have season tickets and donate a decent amount of money to the program, I’d be an idiot if I didn’t root for them to win (also, the guys funding the program are generally the most outspoken, because they’re writing the damn checks)

It’s generally the old, cranky guys on here that come to Greg’s defense when someone dares question him

Which is ironic, as a lot of them are more concerned with losing their parking spots (rather than losing games), and most don’t donate to NIL (which, in case you’ve been living under a rock, has become the single biggest indicator or whether or not will be successful in the future)
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I have no issue with people questioning Greg's preparations or decisions, but I do have an issue with people doing lousy analyses of Greg's career to claim he's not a good coach (especially for RU, which has seen so many bad coaches). I've said this many times, but some point to his overall record in 1.0 of 68-67 as being average without even considering how he inherited the worst 1A program in the history of the planet, so IMO, a better indicator of his record is 65-47 (in a BE conference that often ranked in the top 3-4 conferences back then), taking out the first two seasons (3-20). Plus, he did engineer that magical 2006 season, which led to the stadium being expanded and was critical to getting us into the B1G eventually.

And in Schiano 2.0 he took over a team that I don't think was as bad as Shea's, but playing in a B1G-east with one of the toughest schedules anywhere every year (OSU/UM/PSU every year - nuff said), the gap between his first team or two and the conference was probably as great as the gap that Greg 1.0 had with his BE foes. Even given that, his record in his first four years of 2.0 is 19-28, which isn't great, but it's way better than 2.0's first four years, where we were 12-34, plus in 2.0, at least we made it to a bowl in year 4 and hopefully we'll get a bowl again this year. Sure this year has been a bit disappointing - although we're on track for the 6-7 win season most predicted (I predicted 7-5) - but it's hard to not at least consider the huge rash of injuries to key starters we've had (more than I can ever recall).

So, to me, Greg has been a good to sometimes very good, but not great coach, but certainly light years better than the people who preceded both 1.0 and 2.0, which is worth remembering, plus IMO, there's still something to be said for the high quality program he has run with regard to academics and helping to build fine young men. I can also live with 6-9 win seasons and making bowl games most years with maybe an occasional 10 win season where perhaps we challenge for the CFP, as football isn't life and death for me. I also donate quite generously to RU sports (including NIL) and RU academics, moreso, having created an endowed $50K scholarship with one of my best friends and fellow RU grads.
 
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RU848789 said:
I have no issue with people questioning Greg's preparations or decisions, but I do have an issue with people doing lousy analyses of Greg's career to claim he's not a good coach (especially for RU, which has seen so many bad coaches). I've said this many times, but some point to his overall record in 1.0 of 68-67 as being average without even considering how he inherited the worst 1A program in the history of the planet, so IMO, a better indicator of his record is 65-47 (in a BE conference that often ranked in the top 3-4 conferences back then), taking out the first two seasons (3-20). Plus, he did engineer that magical 2006 season, which led to the stadium being expanded and was critical to getting us into the B1G eventually.

And in Schiano 2.0 he took over a team that I don't think was as bad as Shea's, but playing in a B1G-east with one of the toughest schedules anywhere every year (OSU/UM/PSU every year - nuff said), the gap between his first team or two and the conference was probably as great as the gap that Greg 1.0 had with his BE foes. Even given that, his record in his first four years of 2.0 is 19-28, which isn't great, but it's way better than 2.0's first four years, where we were 12-34, plus in 2.0, at least we made it to a bowl in year 4 and hopefully we'll get a bowl again this year. Sure this year has been a bit disappointing - although we're on track for the 6-7 win season most predicted (I predicted 7-5) - but it's hard to not at least consider the huge rash of injuries to key starters we've had (more than I can ever recall).

So, to me, Greg has been a good to sometimes very good, but not great coach, but certainly light years better than the people who preceded both 1.0 and 2.0, which is worth remembering, plus IMO, there's still something to be said for the high quality program he has run with regard to academics and helping to build fine young men. I can also live with 6-9 win seasons and making bowl games most years with maybe an occasional 10 win season where perhaps we challenge for the CFP, as football isn't life and death for me. I also donate quite generously to RU sports (including NIL) and RU academics, moreso, having created an endowed $50K scholarship with one of my best friends and fellow RU grads.
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You’re a good poster numbers, but Greg is not, and has never been, a good game day head coach

Program builder
Recruiter
Role model / father figure for young men
Defensive coordinator

The man excels at all of the above

However, in game head coaching, overall in his career, has not been his strong suit
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
Kudos to Greg
Like I’ve said, he has the boys ready to go post bye weeks

Being that i have season tickets and donate a decent amount of money to the program, I’d be an idiot if I didn’t root for them to win (also, the guys funding the program are generally the most outspoken, because they’re writing the damn checks)

It’s generally the old, cranky guys on here that come to Greg’s defense when someone dares question him

Which is ironic, as a lot of them are more concerned with losing their parking spots (rather than losing games), and most don’t donate to NIL (which, in case you’ve been living under a rock, has become the single biggest indicator or whether or not will be successful in the future)
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It's generally the young, dumb guys on here that attack Shiano and always think the "solution " to losing a game is to fire someone .
 
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ru66 said:
It's generally the young, dumb guys on here that attack Shiano and always think the "solution " to losing a game is to fire someone .
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JayDog, how about starting a thread “What if we go undefeated the rest of the season?”
 
ru66 said:
It's generally the young, dumb guys on here that attack Shiano and always think the "solution " to losing a game is to fire someone .
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I’m in my mid 40s, having had season tickets for 20 years and would consider myself pretty knowledgeable re football

It’s not losing 1 game
It’s consistently losing games we shouldn’t lose, due to stubbornness and refusing ti adapt

It’s also about becoming consistent elite
Which I believe we have the potential to do
 
RU-Kidding said:
JayDog, how about starting a thread “What if we go undefeated the rest of the season?”
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I deal in reality - if I thought that’d be a possibility, I’d be happy to start one

Chances are though, like this current thread, about midway through, some grouchy old guy with extremely limited football knowledge who donates zero to the current and future success of our program (NIL) would hijack the thread to make it about FSU

Which then, due to that posters insistence to rib JayDog, would then defeat the entire purpose of starting the thread to begin with
 
JayDogSmooth said:
I deal in reality - if I thought that’d be a possibility, I’d be happy to start one

Chances are though, like this current thread, about midway through, some grouchy old guy with extremely limited football knowledge who donates zero to the current and future success of our program (NIL) would hijack the thread to make it about FSU

Which then, due to that posters insistence to rib JayDog, would then defeat the entire purpose of starting the thread to begin with
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So you think winning the next 3 is not a possibility while not winning another game this season prior to playing Minnesota was??
 
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RU-Kidding said:
So you think winning the next 3 is not a possibility while not winning another game this season prior to playing Minnesota was??
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I said coming off the bye week I expect us to play well and win

Never said winning the next 3 isn’t a possibility - what I said was it’s not likely

Which it’s not - however, I’d love to be wrong on that as we’re all Rutgers fans and are invested in the success of the program
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
I said coming off the bye week I expect us to play well and win

Never said winning the next 3 isn’t a possibility - what I said was it’s not likely

Which it’s not - however, I’d love to be wrong on that as we’re all Rutgers fans and are invested in the success of the program
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No, you said “possibility “ not “likely”. Reread your own comments.
 
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RUInsanity said:
Awesome. Yet another annoying poster who refers to itself in the 3rd person.
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JayDog does not understand why Insanity gives a shit

If you've read JayDog's previous posts, JayDog rarely refers to himself as JayDog
Shelby, whom JayDog likes as Shelby is levelheaded and pragmatic, typically refers to himself as Shelby

I can't think of any other posters besides JayDog and Shelby whom refer to themselves in the third person
 
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Greg has his flaws, but I’m not sure taking the chance that we can do better is a risk worth taking. Continue to let Greg build - wins, winning seasons, Bowl appearances and wins, improving recruiting classes - and be happy with the 6-8 win seasons. Although perhaps never a CFP contender, we’re a very respectable and tough out who gives the fans some excitement and university some pride. Being realistic, I’m satisfied with that.
 
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Greg has his flaws, but I’m not sure taking the chance that we can do better is a risk worth taking. Continue to let Greg build - wins, winning seasons, Bowl appearances and wins, improving recruiting classes - and be happy with the 6-8 win seasons. Although perhaps never a CFP contender, we’re a very respectable and tough out who gives the fans some excitement and university some pride. Being realistic, I’m satisfied with that.
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That's fair
And truthfully, before NIL, I had the same outlook
I just feel that with NIL, we now have the potential to be elite, whereas before, I didn't have that type of hope
 
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jaydogsmooth1 said:
That's fair
And truthfully, before NIL, I had the same outlook
I just feel that with NIL, we now have the potential to be elite, whereas before, I didn't have that type of hope
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Money has and always will be our problem. Until we find that donor to fund us like a big time player we will always have to have small time thinking. I don't see any other way around it. Every school has a chance to be successful now if they can find that lucky donor to fund their future. See SMU who literally got into a decent conference based on donor money.
 
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Rhuarc said:
Money has and always will be our problem. Until we find that donor to fund us like a big time player we will always have to have small time thinking. I don't see any other way around it. Every school has a chance to be successful now if they can find that lucky donor to fund their future. See SMU who literally got into a decent conference based on donor money.
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No argument there

It'll likely take a large corporation (or multiple) to really kickstart the NIL issue here, with the average fans backfilling the rest of the $$ though small and medium sized monthly donations

Hobbs hired a team last year to target them - hopefully they've made significant inroads in that regard
 
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jaydogsmooth1 said:
That's fair
And truthfully, before NIL, I had the same outlook
I just feel that with NIL, we now have the potential to be elite, whereas before, I didn't have that type of hope
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JDS1, I wish/hope your view of NIL comes to fruition. My view of Rutgers fans' reputation as alligator-armed donors when it comes to reaching for their wallets has always made me very doubtful RU can compete with the big boys. I sure do like your feelings about NIL, though! GO RU!
 
runrutgersrun said:
JDS1, I wish/hope your view of NIL comes to fruition. My view of Rutgers fans' reputation as alligator-armed donors when it comes to reaching for their wallets has always made me very doubtful RU can compete with the big boys. I sure do like your feelings about NIL, though! GO RU!
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My view on NIL is that the current system will not work long-term and is certainly not sustainable, nor is it healthy for college football

However, these athletes are long overdue getting paid and I’m happy that they are getting their own money after many years of getting stiffed by the corrupt greedy NCAA

I don’t think that the fans in general will fund us to becoming Elite, it will take a corporation or two to get the ball rolling, some success happening after that, and then the average fan buying in

Pre-NIL, I had no such aspirations for a program, and was relegated to think we would always be right around 500 with minor bowls as our Pinnacle, at least on a consistent basis

Now, though, we have the opportunity to become Elite, however, like all things in life, it remains to be seen if it will actually come to fruition
 
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Plum Street said:
If schiano or any Rutgers can do what Ferentz has done at Iowa , we would sign for that in a second .

Schiano is not getting fired anytime
Soon . I get your passion. , but you are wasting energy in your fingers typing it
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Actually I think Schiano CAN do what Ferentz has done at Iowa. I sometimes think Ferentz is GS’s role model or template
 
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jaydogsmooth1 said:
JayDog does not understand why Insanity gives a shit

If you've read JayDog's previous posts, JayDog rarely refers to himself as JayDog
Shelby, whom JayDog likes as Shelby is levelheaded and pragmatic, typically refers to himself as Shelby

I can't think of any other posters besides JayDog and Shelby whom refer to themselves in the third person
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Don't really give a shit. Just calling out a self aggrandizing douchebag when I see it. Honestly if you dropped dead tomorrow I would not even take the time to post in the ensuing RIP thread. But congrats that you've aligned with Shelby who many have on ignore because of constant trolling. But then again perhaps we should expect that from an FSU fan.
 
RUInsanity said:
Don't really give a shit. Just calling out a self aggrandizing douchebag when I see it. Honestly if you dropped dead tomorrow I would not even take the time to post in the ensuing RIP thread. But congrats that you've aligned with Shelby who many have on ignore because of constant trolling. But then again perhaps we should expect that from an FSU fan.
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Insanity big mad
JayDog finds humor in that
 
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