We’re not aware of the numbers. Aaron guesstimated we could have close to 3M left. Its all speculation. Don’t think any of them know.
I thought I read that RU might be looking to add a BIG 10 player in the portal.
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Not sure how we could. If estimates were $4-$5M total. Let's figure $4.5M. $1.5M of that to retain and freshman. Then Buchannon and Francis. I'd guess that's between $600K and $1M. That would leave maybe $2M to $2.5M.
God, I hate discussing NIL, but it seems it's every thread now.
I can’t see retention plus frosh is costing us more than $1.2M. My guess is a combined 800k for Buchanan and Francis. So if we end up with the 5M when the dust settles that’s where Aaron is getting it from.
I don't know, $1.2M for what, 8 guys? Davis, Eo, Grant, Dortch, and four frosh. I'd bet Grant alone would have $600K or more. The other 7 aren't coming for $85K each.
Fine.
It's weird how Rutgers is the only one out of [however many power conference schools there are, I can't be bothered to look it up] power conference programs affected by this issue.
If we paid $600k for Grant we should’ve let him go. Maybe $400k. He’s not a proven starter. He averaged 18 mpg.
Thats far from a given. Just because he started last year at the end of the year does not mean anything. He also didn’t regularly play more than 5 other players on the team even though he technically started. I don’t think he’d be a starter at other BIG schools. I still say 400k.
You have to remember also - his decision to come back is also based on having the opportunity to raise his NIL value. He’s not going to take 600k to sit at the end of UK’s bench. The question is really what would he get to be a projected starter for a mid-major.
He's our only returning starter, isn't he? Look at the environment we are in, you don't have to be a proven anything to get paid. Hell, I hope you are right, I thought he was terribly overrated by many fans in what he added this year, BUT he is a Pike type kid and should do nothing but improve.
As I conjectured maybe those teams buying players BEFORE the settlement, which hasn't happened yet, are using huge NIL money already in hand ? RU has no where 5 million before any settlement.
I don't really believe the people that say RU has, like, zero NIL dollars on hand while what seems like literally every other power conference team has millions. Do I believe that Rutgers is at an NIL disadvantage compared to the average? Absolutely, yes. But the idea that the situation is so dire that we literally have to scrape the 700s in terms of rankings to fill out our transfer class after signing one guy is nuts.
There are plenty of reasons why we might be holding back thus far (many articulated well by @PSAL_Hoops), but "this is literally all we can afford" does not pass the smell test.
I would like to believe that Pike is not offering any player more than he could reasonably expect to get elsewhere to play a similar or superior role. If Grant wants to go sit on the bench of a sugar daddy roster that pay everyone +600k Pike would take his chances there. I hope…
It seems really obvious to me that "didn't come at a discount" means "didn't come at a discount relative to his other offers" and not "we gave this dude $500k for no reason". I get that people have lost confidence in Pike but he's not like a literal moron who is just going to throw away money for no reason. Like, sure, we gave him $10k more than Pepperdine or whatever was going to give him and didn't get a sweetheart deal because of his relationship to Knight. That easily fulfills the comment "didn't come at a discount".
EDIT: This post obviously refers to Francis, I thought I was in a different thread, whatever
EDIT: This post obviously refers to Francis, I thought I was in a different thread, whatever
Agreed as with every player thinking of retaining ! 50-75 k and minutes!
If Dortch, JMike, Ogbole etc want more to sit somewhere else then call their bluff.
This is why I said what I said, we know that PF is the only position they are not looking at in the portal. The primary backup s are Dortch & Buchanan. The latter will spend most of his time at the 3. As a result, Grant is likely to play 25-30 mpg next season.
For a high major program we are near the bottom, there are some mid majors with better NIL situations. Granted some of them may not have football so that helps them. So RU is at a significant disadvantage to our high major peers because we can’t afford quality players.
Next year will look like the early Pike years.
He is more of a wing, won’t be able defend or rebound enough to supplant Grant. If he is our starting 4 we are winning less than 10 games.
Grant is not a good defender. Nwuli earned his national HS ranking from standing out on D. I’m expecting his D to be very good from day one. I hope I’m not disappointed.
Nwuli’s ranking has been falling for two years. There are questions about how tall he even is, one analyst said he doesn’t think he is 6’6”.
His rankings have been falling because offense is overvalued relative to defense. No other reason. He’s going to come in really solid at D. I’d be shocked if not.
I don’t like arguing with fellow fans and posters and while I think we disagree on the signing of Francis I think the dialogue would be much better and more constructive if we were allowed to know what these kids are getting compensation wise
If it came out that we knew for sure he was getting say 50-70k and no guarantees I think 99% of fans would feel differently than they might right now
The problem is the dialogue that’s out there and the information we’re allowed to have which isn’t much makes it puzzling at best and terrible at worst
We will only really be able to piece together what all the signings really mean once it’s all over and the roster forms
The article out there with Francis being interviewed saying the staff wants him to be an alpha should lessen the fears! Ha. Kid seems confident, which is necessary to be a good player, so he's go that going for him.
Can he relax and play within a team when he's out there? He's used to putting up shots at a Pete Maravich pace. I have no issue with the kid if he's our 8th guy in the rotation.
Oregon Tracy, the original post target, committed to VCU tonight. VCU also got a former UCONN Guard Powell last night
VCU getting high major players
VCU > RU
VCU getting high major players
VCU > RU
Our program is middle tier A10
That is the reality which is a slight upgrade from when we left the A10 in the mid 90s
That is the reality which is a slight upgrade from when we left the A10 in the mid 90s
Ugh ... that is awful. He ain't no Alpha at the Big 10 level.
I have said from the start Francis was an awful fit ... I repeat again here: Francis is Noah Fernandes without the on-ball defense or shooting skills. Or Acuff without the 3-point shooting ability and 4" shorter. Or ... think Myles Mack without the shooting ability or ball handling. Or Jeremiah Williams without the defense and 5" shorter.
I'll add this: He MIGHT be able to succeed for RU in a starting role if he can improve and learn to shoot the 3 at a minimum of 40% - in volume, and consistently. That is what it would take to offset his obvious defensive shortcomings due to both not being a good defender, and being under 6'0" as a 2G in the Big 10 ... and to offset poor ball handling as evidenced by a ridiculously bad turnover rate in a poor conference.
I've been pretty clear in my thoughts since he was first mentioned as a possibility. Not counting any NIL impact, as the third or fourth guy off the bench, fine, whatever. Any role bigger than that and it signals trouble for where the season is headed. There isn't much I like about his game, other than he can finish in a number of ways. He doesn't finish efficiently though, and have no idea how much worse that may get against better athletes. Foul shooting seems good, but I was told repeatedly that's why our pick ups from LY were good, didn't make a difference at all. 10-12 minutes a game guy maybe.
We’re in the bottom 2-3 budget wise in the league what do you expect
The house settlement can’t get here soon enough to at least attempt to regulate some of this and open up the books on what’s going on
That being said I think spreading all 4-4.5 million around to 13 guys isn’t the way to go when you’re fighting 8-10 million dollar budgets unless Pike can successfully implement a havoc type full court press defense where you need 10-11 guys to play real minutes
That is also the only schematic option that we could POSSIBLY get away with not having a true center that we also can’t afford
As I said, I evaluate players based on the player, not on the cost. I do agree, ideally you focus your $ on the top 8 guys at most.
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