got the Arkansas Ash. This guy sucks. Would it be unprecedented to fire him after 1 year? Would we have been much worse under Flood?
I thought we hired the OSU ASH, but instead
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This is why we don't deserve nice things.
PJ Fleck was our guy. Not sure he ever got a real look for the job, or if he didn't want it. Coordinators as head coaches from big time programs are hit or miss. Right now it looks like a miss for us. Hope he proved us wrong.
He's not going anywhere he outrecruited every team in the conference the last 4 years and that original class still has eligibility. He's going to cherry pick his job when the right one comes around.
I think if we see this garbage for another year without any significant improvements, we cut the plug.
Every single phase of the game bad. Coaching red flags everywhere you look.
Ash should take a long hard look at his staff at end of the season, knowing he won't get a 4th or 5th year (and maybe not even a 3rd) with this kind of regression.
Every single phase of the game bad. Coaching red flags everywhere you look.
Ash should take a long hard look at his staff at end of the season, knowing he won't get a 4th or 5th year (and maybe not even a 3rd) with this kind of regression.
This is brutal. I was hoping for some fight and competiveness but this is actually way worse than flood. I'll give him a pass this year but man this needs to improve next year.
We don't have a nice thing. We have this garbage. You can't tell me that coaching and game planning has been good. Good coaches can find ways to be competitive with less talent. I don't see that here.
Agreed . People here say we stink because ash is playing with flood's duds and the talent isn't there . A decent coach wouldn't have us getting killed today
not this bad, stubborn staff no real game plan we fall behind early and by a lot, nothing changes week to week
I've said I haven't been positive on Ash the day he was hired nor am I negative on him now. All I've said is I don't think this staff is the best at adapting its talent to what they want to do. But I think you can say that about other coaches too, including some good ones. So I just put it right now as a big I don't know until I see more of his recruits come in.
It wasn't OSU Ash I was focused on although being an Urban coordinator is certainly a very nice plus. It was Wisconsin Ash I looked at when he was hired. IIRC, when I looked it up under Bielema (a former DC himself) Wisconsin's defense was ranked in the top 25 or so and Wisconsin's recruiting wasn't so great rankings wise back then, not even sure if they are now. So it made me think, maybe he can do more with less but we'll have to see. It's one of the reasons I liked Dave Aranda most, up until this year at LSU and all their talent, he excelled at doing more with less. Those are the types of coaches a program like us needs to give us our best chance.
If you've only been a coordinator at a top program and haven't operated anywhere "lesser" like say Kirby Smart I'm a little more hesitant. Doesn't mean they can't be good it's just you wonder a little more if they can do it with the resources of a program like ours.
As to him being let go any time soon, I can't agree. It's practically a non starter IMO. We haven't suddenly become Texas or LSU financially. I'll be shocked if he doesn't see his 4th year here. He'll be given every opportunity to show something. Don't forget also Hobbs hired Kevin Willard for SHU and he struggled in his first handful of years before his breakthrough last year and Hobbs didn't let him go. So put those 2 things together and barring any external off the field issues Ash will be get every chance as any coach should.
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Ash is a bridge coach. He is here set things in place for the next head coach. No way was a coach with no head coaching experience gonna win in the big10 with a team that has recruited at a mac level for the last 4 years. He comes from winning and he's gonna lay the ground work. The next coach is probably a little more expensive and will benefit from Ash hardwork
Of course the real question at this point should actually be: "can we fire Flood again?" he deserves to be fired twice....
2 words - unrealistic expectations! This Fanbase got too wrapped up in ash doing a great job of recruiting this past summer, and then somehow translated this to him being a miracle worker and making us a top 25 team this year.
Not one person expected that. No blow outs by teams who are 2 - 7? Yes, that was expected.
If next year is anything like this all-time horrific season, cut bait with Ash and hire an experienced program-builder type head coach. We cant afford to wait 3 years to find out if this guy can do it or not. He has made mind-boggling hiring decisions for his assistants. That says a lot about his judgement and decision- making. How can anyone argue that this team is well- coached?
I have been critical of Ash but in his defense many are comparing this year to GS's first year. The big difference is not the talent each coach inherited but the talent against which they are competing. GS didn't need as many elite players to compete in the big east whereas Ash needs many more top quality players to compete in the BIG. So, as he recruits he and his staff will also have to learn how to coach at this level. This is the great unknown. Can they become the elite coaches we need in addition to quality players. No one knows the answer to that question. We have a lot to be critical of in terms of coaching decisions this year. That does not mean they will not improve.
Well, after a season of blowouts and no depth on team I'm sure firing the coach after one year would really appeal to other top coaches. Could probably steal Saban or Meyer away.
PJ Fleck went 1-11 his first year.
Someone above said this is way worse than Flood. Really? 2 years ago at Mich St under Flood, score was 45-3.
Kyle Flood would have beaten Iowa and Illinois. He also may have beaten Indiana. But that's not the point because at the end of the day Flood was not the answer. We needed a proven coach and assistants and that meant spending money. So why can't Rutgers afford a decent head coach, well the minute Christie leaves office the new governor will enlighten every NJ resident what has transpired since 2013 at Queens College.
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I wonder does anyone on this board think realistically? Or do we think we're the second coming of Ohio state?
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In another thread, RU commit, Micah Clark, the top recruit in Jersey, is a young man who shows a lot more understanding of the situation CA stepped into than many of the "omniscient" posters on this board who already are talking about making a head coaching change even before the end of Ash's first season. (Just an FYI on that...it's not happening.)
MC knows what this program needs is a MAJOR infusion of quality talent to provide not only top-notch starters, but also quality depth in case any of our #1's go down, and he, (and his brother), are leading the way.
But, after all, that's what leaders do. -And they leave all the hand-wringing to people who seem to enjoy making a hobby out of that sort of thing.
MC knows what this program needs is a MAJOR infusion of quality talent to provide not only top-notch starters, but also quality depth in case any of our #1's go down, and he, (and his brother), are leading the way.
But, after all, that's what leaders do. -And they leave all the hand-wringing to people who seem to enjoy making a hobby out of that sort of thing.
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Threads like this make me wonder what the average age of our posters are. My 20 year old is more patient and objective than most on this board. Smh.
Feel free to come get ROBB Smith as well. We are ready to unload his butt as well.
I hope this is a joke. If not you seriously need help. You expected Ash to turn that mess around in less than one season? Why are you even on a football forum?
There are so many great RU fans here but you are an embarrassment to real fans.
I wish RU all the best. Give Ash time.
These people are not Rutgers fans. They only post when Rutgers loses and disappear when Rutgers plays well or wins. Their message is to spread negativity and hope that will impact Rutgers recruiting in NJ. SN must be desperate for clicks.
If Ash can recruit some NJ top guns every year we will be fine. If not it will be next man up.
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