I want to see what this board thinks RU will spend on the next coach.
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They will spend around $1M but they SHOULD spend $3M+ And get a known coach.
In this market they have to be willing to spend $2-3 million for the coach plus another $1.5 or so for the staff. Anything less shows a lack of commitment IMHO.
Doubt even after all the PR hits we would try to get someone that isn't paid a competitive rate....2.8M to start with perks.
We've heard a lot of things. I will believe it when I see it. Not holding my breath.
Knowing RU - they will admit the need to meet B1G coach pay average and then pay a few million it to a 700k level coach who satisfies some oddball, non-football "requirement".
That sounds a little low in this market unless you're trying to find a sleeper. We are in an expensive cost of living area and under 2M would discourage real talent IMO. Next hire has to be solid we can't afford NOT to pay.
Doesn't matter. No real coach is coming here for ant price.
It's the typical retread or little accomplished assistant and keep the fingers crossed.
Oh, and they will have to overpay to do it.
It's the typical retread or little accomplished assistant and keep the fingers crossed.
Oh, and they will have to overpay to do it.
I posted this in one of the coaching threads but I think you overestimate how much is necessary. Mark Helfrich the Oregon HC a national championship finalist makes in the vicinity of 2M. Scott Frost his OC made 370K and recently got bumped up to 400K. Tom Herman at OSU made 400-500K as OC. Their new OC who was previously OL/co-OC made 350 before and that got bumped up to 600K.
Outside of the SEC and a few other select schools we don't need to pay gobs of money like seems to be the impression. We paid Fridge 500K and were willing to pay Smith 500K but Arkansas matched and he decided to go there. They have since raised his salary. To me 2M for a coach about 500K for each coordinator if warranted by experience and a decent salay pool for the rest of the staff to me is enough. Is it a lot? No but I think that's up to the AD to find right person.
Outside of the SEC and a few other select schools we don't need to pay gobs of money like seems to be the impression. We paid Fridge 500K and were willing to pay Smith 500K but Arkansas matched and he decided to go there. They have since raised his salary. To me 2M for a coach about 500K for each coordinator if warranted by experience and a decent salay pool for the rest of the staff to me is enough. Is it a lot? No but I think that's up to the AD to find right person.
I have also heard that $3mm is the number both from Tim and also from someone next to Julie. I think the upshot, if any, of this, is that whenever Flood goes they will have very significant political cover to hire an established coach with experience running a major program.
That said, they are sticking with Flood for as long as they can assuming he delivers minimally satisfactory results. But when they make a move, they will make a move. That is probably Julie's one and only chance to win over the fan base and have a legacy here, and she certainly knows that. I have opinions, but no information on where this season so far falls on the "satisfaction scale." I suspect absent anything else (what else could possibly happen?!) Flood will survive this and remain our coach in 2016 if he can somehow get this team to 6 wins.
No one will WANT to come here if they are already highly thought of. They will wait for a job they can be successful in. RU will be scraping the bottom of the barrel because they are not going to over pay.
You don't know who will and who won't come for a B10 job in a fertile recruiting ground. This was never a job where the top HC name would come to and I'm not sure where that impression comes from. We're not on top of the food chain, we most likely were always going to be hiring an up and coming name or a more ordinary established name like Mullen was before last year. The big names of today weren't the big names of yesterday. It's up to the AD to find that next big name.
Besides a lot of schools pay big money but they all don't get big results. Spending money blindly is pointless. On top of which its up to the big donors of which we obviously to date don't have enough of as has been seen throughout our history. These large salaries of these other schools are supplemented by donors along with many of the other expenses of the AD. If you want nice facilities and big salaried coaches we need to find more big donors who donate big money. Point is if Nike money bags school like Oregon pays their coach 2M and their hot OC 400K I don't see the budget as paltry unless you're looking at the SEC and few select schools.
I hear you, but I don't believe it will ever happen. I see some MAC coach making 1.5 - 2 mill. That what we have to look forward to. I would LOVE to be wrong but this admin is not capable of making good choices.
I'm not going to say that's unlikely. I think it's very possible. I hope not MAC and prefer a high mid major or coordinator for this current crop of coaches. I'm not as enthused about the names out there this year as compared to last but that's besides the point.
I'm fine with that and if JH has lined up a bigger salary, fine too. I care about identifying the right coach that's it. Whether you're paying 1.5-2M or 3-4M, you still have to get the right guy or all you're doing is wasting extra money.
Besides what people fail to realize is that all these coaches making the big money now, how many of them made that money right off the bat? Mullen gets 4M, do you think he made that on his first contract at Miss. St. Nope it was adjusted twice I believe. Hugh Freeze same at Ole Miss. Fisher at FSU up to 4M after a national championship mind you. Dantonio same recently after a long string of success. Strong at Louisville got bumped up a couple times. Sumlin to 5M after a big year with Manziel. Briles at Baylor and the list goes on and on. I bet Helfrich will get a bump up if he continues to perform but point is he didn't get it right off the bat. The first contracts of these guys was nothing in the vicinity they get paid now. The main thing is identification of the good coach, money is something you need to possibly hold onto that guy if he's had some success. It's not generally given out right off the bat.
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BTW I don't know if you read that article I posted in one of the other coaching threads about Tom Herman. He wrote it himself. I think it's a good article and gives insight into him. Anyways, he's at Houston and he's quite literally peeling up floor tiles in one of their facilities because they're so old and they were I guess warping and coming up from the ground. Went to Home Depot got some scrapers and spent a few hours doing it himself. Coaches want opportunities on this stage and no matter how bad you may think it is here there will be people, good people, that will want to come. It's up to the AD to identify that person.
From the article:
There's a hallway floor in our facility that is 25 years old. It rains a lot in Houston, so who knows what's under it by now. But a few months ago, the little rubber tiles started to peel up like a potato chip. I said, "Hey, this isn't safe for our athletes." After 10 or 15 emails, I said that I would pay for it. I went to Home Depot, bought a bunch of scrapers and spent a night peeling the tiles back. I was fully prepared to spend my own money to put a floor down. It was for my guys and for recruiting. I peeled up the floor myself because if somebody was going to be angry about it, I didn't want anyone else to get in trouble but me. It actually didn't take me that long, like three or four hours. I stacked the tiles up in the locker room. In a few weeks, we ended up with new floors.
http://www.campusrush.com/tom-herman-houston-cougars-head-coach-education-1336562958.html
From the article:
There's a hallway floor in our facility that is 25 years old. It rains a lot in Houston, so who knows what's under it by now. But a few months ago, the little rubber tiles started to peel up like a potato chip. I said, "Hey, this isn't safe for our athletes." After 10 or 15 emails, I said that I would pay for it. I went to Home Depot, bought a bunch of scrapers and spent a night peeling the tiles back. I was fully prepared to spend my own money to put a floor down. It was for my guys and for recruiting. I peeled up the floor myself because if somebody was going to be angry about it, I didn't want anyone else to get in trouble but me. It actually didn't take me that long, like three or four hours. I stacked the tiles up in the locker room. In a few weeks, we ended up with new floors.
http://www.campusrush.com/tom-herman-houston-cougars-head-coach-education-1336562958.html
A good discussion from an outside perspective on our challenge in looking for a new coach
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