If we blow this and next season (meaning 5 or less wins in both) there will be pitchforks
POLL: You have to give to give $1M to RU NIL or to GS buyout
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If we blow this and next season (meaning 5 or less wins in both) there will be pitchforks
Likely a moot point as GS just signed his extension, but one can dream big nonetheless
If he wins 2 more games this season . The narrative is he got us to back to back bowls in the BIG. He won’t be going anywhere for years, unless there is a scandal, which I would doubt with schiano (I give him that )
But who knows, maybe schiano like gymnastics
"If he wins 2 more games this season . The narrative is he got us to back to back bowls in the BIG. "
That statement will be proven true, but sadly not a real showing of a program being considered a constant bowl contender because just squeaking by and getting a minor bowl bid in 2024 is just like going to the Gator in 2021 .
In 2021 the w-l record took away full pleasure of making a bowl, but since it was a long time since the last bow appearance most felt pretty good about making that bowl game.
This year the feeling might not be that happy if RU wins 2 out of the last 4 to go 6-6 and be bowl eligible .
Starting out 4=0 building hopes for the season then losing the next 4 wold put a damper on having a 6-6 team in a minor bowl.
Win 3 of the next 4 and that might help get a feel good feeling about the team
Win the next 4 and the fanbase will be happy to go to a bowl and joy will be the mood
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The answer is we have to raise $75M to get started on the Fieldhouse. It was in Schiano’s 1st contract. The balance will be raised via bonds. It’s all in Black and White. The school is willing to do it, but fans need to provide enough skin in the game.
$1M won't get it done to pay out GS for the term of his agreement. I allocate the $1M to NIL earmarked specifically towards a stud QB.
Good point, but if we tell Matt Campbell we've got a $2mm NIL budget because we blew our load buying out Schiano, is he really interested?
The other lesson you can learn from
Campbell at ISU is that he’s been there 9 years and they didn’t have to break the bank for him.
If a coach leaves they leave what can you do, there’s a food chain and hierarchy. Plus these long deals and big numbers rarely stop a coach from leaving anyway. Most of the time you’re not losing the next Saban so just look for a suitable replacement as best you can. That’s your job as AD. But without doing anything or being held hostage it can work out just fine and the coach sticks around. Dave Doeren at NC State has had at least 2 or 3 flirtations in his tenure there but he’s still there going on 12 years. It’s at a higher salary than Campbell but I don’t know that they ever really succumbed to pressure of his flirtations. He had issues too iirc about a former AD but he’s still there.
You should just stick to dreaming about your fantasy thoughts of FSU as a Top 10 brand 😂
One of your funniest claims. And stop calling out Rutgers coaching, your team has bigger problems than Rutgers!!
That may work for other schools but it wouldn’t work for Rutgers because Schiano has a unique set of skills that cannot be replicated by others. He has 16 years experience successfully recruiting Rutgers. He has ensured the academic success of his kids and his kids graduate. Lastly, he has put a competitive product the field in spite of injuries and lack of appropriate resources especially a Fieldhouse and NIL. If Schiano ever leaves, this whole thing goes to pot. It happened once before. I’m not living through a repeat.
doesn’t maytrr , if we don’t get NIL at RU quickly no coach is coming here other than a desperate ash type .
This is easy. Fire Schiano with the $1M
1. $1M NIL doesn’t improve a football team all that much, and it’s just a 1 year benefit. Dollar for dollar NIL has much more impact on a basketball team.
2. The shitty HC purge isn’t just a 1 year band aid like the NIL would be. The benefit of upgrading, or even attempting to upgrade is a yearslong thing.
3. If we’re talking $25M, then sure even Shelby would spend on NIL and keep Coach Chimp here.
1. $1M NIL doesn’t improve a football team all that much, and it’s just a 1 year benefit. Dollar for dollar NIL has much more impact on a basketball team.
2. The shitty HC purge isn’t just a 1 year band aid like the NIL would be. The benefit of upgrading, or even attempting to upgrade is a yearslong thing.
3. If we’re talking $25M, then sure even Shelby would spend on NIL and keep Coach Chimp here.
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The poll choice specified that $1M along with other funds would enable the firing. You changed the question.
You can’t complain about not being competitive with our peers until you define who our peers are.
In another thread you couldn’t answer.
Are our peers in Year 5 still the bottom of the Big Ten like Purdue?
Obviously OSU and PSU are not peers.
GS did not do well in the NFL because he inherited a basket case team. He was hired as a disciplinarian type coach because the owners and people they trusted to evaluate told them the work ethic was non-existent... that the "players coach" let them run rampant and they underperformed. Furthermore, he was saddled with a bad QB with a big name that had a lot of friends in the local media (who was also used to unlimited access).
Simply put.. bad situation. Spoiled uncoachable players. Yeah, he made a mistake here and there.. but he was more right than wrong in the NFL. The team would sink lower before brining in Tom Brady would right the ship.. are players going to give The GOAT grief about demanding performance? I think not. Would local media ride him out of town for not playing nice with them? No again. But we cannot bring in a GOAT of a coach, can we?
If you think undisciplined players who expect to be babied by coaches will generate enough victories so you can brag to your friends about being a Rutgers fan.. well, I hope you never get to find out how wrong you are. All you need do is look at what Flood did.. he very much wanted to be a players coach.. and it worked for a couple seasons while the Schiano disciplined lockerroom faded.. and then.. APR gone. criminal charges.. wearing disguises in Princeton...
If that's the way it is going to be I may as well just be an NFL front-runner fan season-to-season.
Our peers are obviously Maryland and Penn State, teams we compete with in recruiting and on the gridiron.
So we should expect to be competitive with them on the field?
Doesn't Maryland have a fieldhouse and PSU much more donor money to spend?
That would make them programs that have passed us and not peers. We shouldn't expect to be competitive with them?
absolutely! I should hope that we would expect to be competitive against conference teams we regularly play! But we are not because they are better capitalized, so we have to do what we can to close the competitive gap. Penn State has a very nice football facility that they recently improved.
That means boosting NIL and building the Fieldhouse. Because Maryland and Penn State offer both. In particular, we are 1-6 vs Maryland since they opened their fieldhouse.
no one is coming in here to be HC without big NIL commitment
I am in no way telling anyone how they should spend a single dime. It's none of my business.
That said, Rutgers alums and fans just don't support their programs the way other schools have and continue to do. If they did, RU would have the same bells and whistles. Now there are reasionable excuses such as drawing half the number of paying customers to sporting events and not having the big time history of a Michigan, OSU, or PSU but the fact remains RU just doesn't have the support.
That's correlation, not causation. It proves nothing whatsoever as it relies entirely on hypotheticals (e.g. would RU have done better than 1-6 if RU had built a new fieldhouse at the same time as MD - which an unanswerable question).
MD's fieldhouse might have been a differentiator prior to the NIL-era. But in the NIL era, I don't think it matters much, if at all. A player (and their family), considering MD and RU, is going to first compare NIL offers, then compare stuff like coaching, location, program history, academics (the parents more than the players in most cases), the locker rooms, the campus, etc. The fieldhouse is likely to be one of the last, if not the last consideration, if considered at all.
If you want to use hypothetical arguments, then I'd argue that, had NIL existed back when they built the fieldhouse, and had MD redirected all the funding for a fieldhouse to NIL instead (while nothing changed at RU), then we'd be 0-7 with bigger blowouts instead of 1-6. Sure I can't prove it. But neither can you prove your assertion about a fieldhouse's value in recruiting to RU in the NIL era.
A player for whom the fieldhouse is a determining factor is probably not a player I'd want on my team because it reveals a likely high level of pettiness in the player's personality. And pettiness in players is not great for team chemistry.
I agree, although I'd qualify that to say no one with any sort of proven record in big time CFB.
I'm sure plenty of total unproven nobodies would leap at the opportunity to come here given a big enough contract. But that approach is a massive time and financial gamble for the school.
Sure building the fieldhouse is correlated with Maryland beating Rutgers. It’s not a direct factor, but it is a strong supporting factor which indicates a commitment to success. It’s this commitment which attracts players.
Maryland recruiting better players than Rutgers, which was facilitated by the fieldhouse, is a direct factor in Maryland owning a 6-1 record over Rutgers, in the last 7 contests. If this doesn’t open eyes, I don’t know what will.
You've done nothing to show how that correlation is meaningful. You cannot demonstrate causation in a deterministic way.
In other words, you're speculating wildly. If you want to show causation with respect to a fieldhouse, you need to show evidence that excludes other factors (NIL funding, coaching, campuses, etc.). And you have not done so.
You can, of course, continue to speculate wildly about the value of an RUFB fieldhouse. But you won't persuade anybody with decent critical reasoning skills. And I'm guessing that most people with the means to donate enough money to make a difference are capable of critical reasoning.
So they will understand that, to win in CFB in the NIL era, NIL funding is priority one, coaching is priority two, and everything else is distant nice-to-have stuff that can be funded once the two much higher priorities are taken care of and the team has started beating good competition with some regularity.
A case could be made to swap the priorities of NIL and coaching, but no valid case can be made that elevates a fieldhouse over NIL or coaching (or program history or campus or academics or much of anything else).
This is a messageboard, not a lab.
Furthermore, you haven’t provided any evidence showing NIL is #1, so you’re speculating wildly. Don’t ask people to do something you’re unable to do yourself.
No one ever argued about the prioritizing a Fieldhouse over Coaching or NIL. The priority is
1. Coaching
2. NIL
3. Fieldhouse
We have Coaching, which is why we went to a bowl game last year. For me, that is #1, because
Coaching is the foundation and I believe we have the right Coach, given the demonstrated improvement over the last five years. This year may see regression only because of injuries.
It’s known that facilities impact recruiting. Look at the top 10 schools and they all have Strong Facilities. This is why:
In athletic recruitment, adequate facilities are more than just amenities; they are a strategic asset. They play a pivotal role in attracting, retaining, and nurturing top athletic talent. Recruiters who invest in state-of-the-art facilities are making a long-term commitment to the success of their athletes and their programs. These facilities create an environment where athletes can thrive, excel, and reach their full potential, ultimately giving their teams the winning edge. So, when recruiting athletes, remember that facilities aren’t just a bonus—they’re a necessity.
The correlation is meaningful to those who care about Rutgers Football. We haven’t just been losing to Maryland, we’ve gotten killed! Because Maryland has recruited better players.
Anyone with critical reasoning should understand that a Fieldhouse is needed because our Coach said it was needed for recruiting. So much so it was added to his contract. They can see the results on the field.
They should be asking, “what should we be doing to improve the results on the field”. If that doesn’t convince them, the nothing will. We don’t need everyone, just enough, who care to make a difference.
We need to offer both NIL and facilities, because our direct recruiting competitors, Syracuse and Maryland offer NIL and facilities.
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Maryland yes.
Until Rutgers proves to be an elite program Penn State should not be considered a peer even if it's in the same recruiting area.
Syracuse and Boston College are peers , but the last 4 games are making Tempe look more like a peer than the NitWits out of Happy Valley do
Caught between a rock and a hard place. Schiano may be the best RU can do for a coach, but if the money goes to NIL, any talent acquired on the offensive side of the ball at WR, TE, and QB will certainly be wasted.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Almost all NFL coaches come into a similar situation, otherwise they wouldn't have fired the previous coach. There are no excuses in pro football, period. He failed, just like he has failed to date at Rutgers winning conference games. But I forget, with Greg, it is always blame the predecessor and facilities, sorry, my bad.
We regularly play Penn State and Maryland. We don’t regularly play Syracuse and Boston College. We need better players to compete with Maryland and Penn State, so how do we do that? They haven’t only beaten us, they’ve killed us most of the last 10 years. It’s embarrassing.
Al peers are what you are relatively equal to, playing Penn St makes them an opponent , not an equal.
Also in the NJ/PA recruiting area, PSU has a big edge when pulling in HS talent over the years.
Not peers in that department when going after and grabbing the top talent is concerned .
BC and Syracuse are more like peers to RU than PSU is.
Rutgers was in the same division as OSU,that doesn't make them peers of Rutgers, just opponents plsaying in the same division.
Chances of RU beating another program must be relitivle equal to the chances of the other program winning for them to be considered peers , right now and in the past the chances of Rutgers beating Penn State are very small while the chances pf PSU beating RU are very large and closer to the cupcake designation than that of a peer
Since Rutgers joined the Big Ten in 2014, Penn State has won every game against Rutgers .
Penn State has won the last eight meetings by an average of 27 points.
As for recruiting , I belive Penn State has a big edge when both the Nits and RU are going after top
( 4-5*)HS talent in the NJ/PA area
Going after the same 3* players, maybe could be considered peers
Rutgers is 3-7 against the Turtles since both programs joind the B1G and usally Rutgers is considered to have a chance to win the game, that makes them a peer.
As for recruitring the same players , I feel both programs have a good chance to get the kid when the cjopce comes down to commiting to ne a Scarlet Knight or a Terrapin.
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Where did you plagiarize the bolded text from, Al?
At present, we don't have a head coach who has demonstrated he can beat Big Ten teams who are having winning seasons with anything approaching regularity. I suspect he could do that if he had lots more great players and perhaps a different OC. But that's just speculation. Until GS proves he can win regularly in the Big Ten, coaching will remain a question-mark. To do that, GS needs the NIL funding BEFORE A FIELDHOUSE.
In the moment, we can't even provide adequate NIL funding. And, happily, you agree that NIL funding is a higher priority than a fieldhouse. So, how about we stop spamming the forum about a fieldhouse until after we have at least $15M/year NIL in funding?
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nonsense, Penn State is Rutgers Conference Peer. The only difference is that winning football games is important to their alumni. How would you like me to describe Maryland and Penn State?
Provided the link. It would be easier for GS to win regularly in the Big Ten if he had the resources, which would allow him to upgrade our recruiting. When we upgraded Hale Centeer, we followed that up with the best Rutgers class of all time, including Ray Rice and Devin & Jason McCourty.
Many people do not want to give to NIL, but they will donate towards the Fieldhouse.
We will never have $15in NIL, but hopefully one day we’ll have a Fieldhouse.
The Fieldhouse will always be a partial explanation as to why we don’t have adequate talent and depth. And that’s why it needs to be brought up.
I don’t see a link. Never mind, I see it now.
Why should I take that website’s advice? Where is the evidence, in that blog post at that site, that a new field house for football will be with the money to RU versus using those funds for NIL?
People who won’t donate to NIL but will to a field house, are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. If we don’t get to 15M in NIL, we ain’t going anywhere in FB in the big ten, regardless of who the coach is.
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"How would you like me to describe Maryland and Penn State?"
This way:
Maryland is a conference peer because the games between them and Rutgers are expected to be competitive.
Penn State a B1G opponent that is considered to be far better than Rutgers and RU needs to become more competitive in their games against the Nits if Rutgers fans want it to be considered a conference peer.
Don’t take the advice. Just give to NIL. Thanks in advance for your donation.
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$1M to NIL, scene some say Rutgers needs 4 - 6 players from the portal.
We want difference makers or bodies? Well this post is from someone whose job is reporting portal updates. We don’t have nearly enough money at these prices to land 4-6 difference makers.
We want difference makers or bodies? Well this post is from someone whose job is reporting portal updates. We don’t have nearly enough money at these prices to land 4-6 difference makers.
I'll ask my question again since you wrote alot but didn't actually answer.
Who SHOULD we be competitive against today?
Those would be peers.
You said Syracuse has passed us. That's not a peer.
Maryland and PSU have passed us. That's not peers.
Just being in the same conference doesn't make them peers.
You make it seem our peer is Purdue and that's it. Rest of the Big Ten is well ahead of us.
