If HC Ash holds this class,will it be the best ever for RU?

[ruready4somefootball]

Currently ranked #34 on Scout,and #27 on Rivals. With 20 commits so far,I wonder if the remaining students we get will raise our rank,keep it the same or lower it. I can't remember if any of Greg's classes were any higher,but I remember a couple in the 30's. Yes.I'm one of those fans that do believe in the Star system, as it seems to play out way more than it doesn't. In fact, there was a break down I saw one year after the NFL draft, and at least 80% of the 1st round picks were 4 or every high 3+ stars in HS.No doubt there are plenty of late bloomers that blow up in college, and are coached up, but give me the raw talent to work with first as so many perennial college powers get to do.

 

[RU#1fan]

It will certainly be up there.
I think Greg's final class of 2012 might have been higher.
He pulled in 6 of the Top 11 NJ recruits that year ( Hamilton, Lambert,Carroo, Peele, Brodie, Longa).

 

[ILOVERUTGERS]

There's a ton of schools with roughly half the commits we have. Oregon, Stanford, Clemson, and Texas are examples. They're all gonna blow by us thus dropping us....figure an easy 15 spots give or take

 

[Yeah Baby]

There's a ton of schools with roughly half the commits we have. Oregon, Stanford, Clemson, and Texas are examples. They're all gonna blow by us thus dropping us....figure an easy 15 spots give or take

We r may drop a little but no way 15 spots. We will be somewhere in the 30's and if we pull out a few more recruits we could crack the Top 30.

Stars mean something but not everything. Player development and retention are equally as important

 

[RuSnp]

There's a ton of schools with roughly half the commits we have. Oregon, Stanford, Clemson, and Texas are examples. They're all gonna blow by us thus dropping us....figure an easy 15 spots give or take

Is it a ton or four?

 

[ILOVERUTGERS]

Is it a ton or four?

Lol....way over 4 was my point. Lots of schools with about 12-18 kids....schools who perennially recruit at a high level

 

[PSU_Nut]

We r may drop a little but no way 15 spots. We will be somewhere in the 30's and if we pull out a few more recruits we could crack the Top 30.

Stars mean something but not everything. Player development and retention are equally as important

Adding recruits will do very little. The point system is capped at 20 recruits. So the score is calculated from the best 20 recruits. The only way you will gain more points is if those players are higher rated then the current player. Then it would just be the point difference so you not going to gain a ton of points. At this point Rutgers has 1429 points. Using last year as a model that would have been good for #40. The lost score in the top 30 over the past 3 years (Current system on rivals) was 1620. That would probably mean you would have to land several (3-4) 4 star player to break the top 30 rankings. Most likely the class will finish right around #40.

 

[miketd1]

Loved this quote, from a MN beat writer describing the introductory press conference:

Putting a microphone in front of P.J. Fleck is like putting an easel in front of Picasso, a guitar in front of Hendrix.​

 

[wheezer]

We r may drop a little but no way 15 spots. We will be somewhere in the 30's and if we pull out a few more recruits we could crack the Top 30.

Stars mean something but not everything. Player development and retention are equally as important

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when all is said and done I figure low 40's.... it does not seem we are in line for any late
4 star recruits and many are still on the board that will fill in other programs

 

[wheezer]

It will certainly be up there.
I think Greg's final class of 2012 might have been higher.
He pulled in 6 of the Top 11 NJ recruits that year ( Hamilton, Lambert,Carroo, Peele, Brodie, Longa).

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2012 was probably a bit better

 

[Yeah Baby]

Adding recruits will do very little. The point system is capped at 20 recruits. So the score is calculated from the best 20 recruits. The only way you will gain more points is if those players are higher rated then the current player. Then it would just be the point difference so you not going to gain a ton of points. At this point Rutgers has 1429 points. Using last year as a model that would have been good for #40. The lost score in the top 30 over the past 3 years (Current system on rivals) was 1620. That would probably mean you would have to land several (3-4) 4 star player to break the top 30 rankings. Most likely the class will finish right around #40.

Didnt know they only counted Top 20 but yeah i did mean add a 4 star and not a low rated recruit. I was noticing some classes ahead of us with a lower average so how do you explain that?

 

[PSU_Nut]

Didnt know they only counted Top 20 but yeah i did mean add a 4 star and not a low rated recruit. I was noticing some classes ahead of us with a lower average so how do you explain that?

Simply because not all 3 star or 4 star or 5 star are equal. Here is an example of how that can work:

For example from Rutgers Class:
4 Star Fogg is a 5.8 worth 105 Points
4 Star Clark is a 5.8 worth 105 Point plus 19 points for being #170 overall for a total of 124 points.
3 Star Lewis is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Watt is a 5.5 worth 60 Points
Avg: 3.5 Stars Total Points: 379

For example from Penn State Class:
4 Star Hansord is a 5.9 for 120 Points plus 27 points for being #129 overall for a total of 147 points.
3 Star Miranda is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Barber is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Stat Hippenhammer is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
Average 3.25 Stars Total Points: 417

Since Rutgers is at 20 commits the lowest recruit is a 5.4 worth 45 points. So if they sign a 4 star like Fogg that not in the top 250 the overall teams score would go up 45 points because you would subtract the 45 points for the 5.4 kid and add the 90 for the 5.8 kid. Now a school with fewer than 20 would gain the entire point total.

What is the formula?
Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points
Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)
(Rivals Rating = Points)
6.1 = 150 points
6.0 = 135 points
5.9 = 120 points
5.8 = 105 points
5.7 = 90 points
5.6 = 75 points
5.5 = 60 points
5.4 = 45 points
5.3 = 30 points
5.2 = 15 points
Rivals 250 Bonus Scale (all commitments)
#1= 100 points
#2= 83 points
#3= 82 points
#4= 81 points
#5= 80 points
#6= 76 points
#7= 75 points
#8= 74 points
#9= 73 points
#10= 72 points
#11= 69 points
#12= 68 points
#13= 67 points
#14= 66 points
#15= 65 points
#16= 64 points
#17= 63 points
#18= 62 points
#19= 61 points
#20= 60 points
#21= 59 points
#22= 58 points
#23= 57 points
#24= 56 points
#25= 55 points
#26-30= 53 points
#31-35= 51 points
#36-40= 49 points
#41-45= 47 points
#46-50= 45 points
#51-55= 43 points
#56-60= 41 points
#61-65= 40 points
#66-70= 39 points
#71-75= 38 points
#76-80= 37 points
#81-85= 36 points
#86-90= 35 points
#91-95= 34 points
#96-100= 33 points
#101-105= 32 points
#106-110= 31 points
#111-115= 30 points
#116-120= 29 points
#121-125= 28 points
#126-130= 27 points
#131-135= 26 points
#136-140= 25 points
#141-145= 24 points
#146-150= 23 points
#151-155= 22 points
#156-160= 21 points
#161-165= 20 points
#166-170= 19 points
#171-175= 18 points
#176-180= 17 points
#181-185= 16 points
#186-190= 15 points
#191-195= 14 points
#196-200= 13 points
#201-205= 12 points
#206-210= 11 points
#211-215= 10 points
#216-220= 9 points
#221-225= 8 points
#226-230= 7 points
#231-235= 6 points
#236-240= 5 points
#241-245= 4 points
#246-250= 3 points

 

[Knight Shift]

Loved this quote, from a MN beat writer describing the introductory press conference:

Putting a microphone in front of P.J. Fleck is like putting an easel in front of Picasso, a guitar in front of Hendrix.​

Or like putting nails in front of a chalkboard for some.
I know he is the hot chick of coaches at the moment, and he did a fabulous job at WMU this year, but his schtick is corny.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Simply because not all 3 star or 4 star or 5 star are equal. Here is an example of how that can work:

For example from Rutgers Class:
4 Star Fogg is a 5.8 worth 105 Points
4 Star Clark is a 5.8 worth 105 Point plus 19 points for being #170 overall for a total of 124 points.
3 Star Lewis is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Watt is a 5.5 worth 60 Points
Avg: 3.5 Stars Total Points: 379

For example from Penn State Class:
4 Star Hansord is a 5.9 for 120 Points plus 27 points for being #129 overall for a total of 147 points.
3 Star Miranda is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Barber is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Stat Hippenhammer is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
Average 3.25 Stars Total Points: 417

Since Rutgers is at 20 commits the lowest recruit is a 5.4 worth 45 points. So if they sign a 4 star like Fogg that not in the top 250 the overall teams score would go up 45 points because you would subtract the 45 points for the 5.4 kid and add the 90 for the 5.8 kid. Now a school with fewer than 20 would gain the entire point total.

What is the formula?
Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points
Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)
(Rivals Rating = Points)
6.1 = 150 points
6.0 = 135 points
5.9 = 120 points
5.8 = 105 points
5.7 = 90 points
5.6 = 75 points
5.5 = 60 points
5.4 = 45 points
5.3 = 30 points
5.2 = 15 points
Rivals 250 Bonus Scale (all commitments)
#1= 100 points
#2= 83 points
#3= 82 points
#4= 81 points
#5= 80 points
#6= 76 points
#7= 75 points
#8= 74 points
#9= 73 points
#10= 72 points
#11= 69 points
#12= 68 points
#13= 67 points
#14= 66 points
#15= 65 points
#16= 64 points
#17= 63 points
#18= 62 points
#19= 61 points
#20= 60 points
#21= 59 points
#22= 58 points
#23= 57 points
#24= 56 points
#25= 55 points
#26-30= 53 points
#31-35= 51 points
#36-40= 49 points
#41-45= 47 points
#46-50= 45 points
#51-55= 43 points
#56-60= 41 points
#61-65= 40 points
#66-70= 39 points
#71-75= 38 points
#76-80= 37 points
#81-85= 36 points
#86-90= 35 points
#91-95= 34 points
#96-100= 33 points
#101-105= 32 points
#106-110= 31 points
#111-115= 30 points
#116-120= 29 points
#121-125= 28 points
#126-130= 27 points
#131-135= 26 points
#136-140= 25 points
#141-145= 24 points
#146-150= 23 points
#151-155= 22 points
#156-160= 21 points
#161-165= 20 points
#166-170= 19 points
#171-175= 18 points
#176-180= 17 points
#181-185= 16 points
#186-190= 15 points
#191-195= 14 points
#196-200= 13 points
#201-205= 12 points
#206-210= 11 points
#211-215= 10 points
#216-220= 9 points
#221-225= 8 points
#226-230= 7 points
#231-235= 6 points
#236-240= 5 points
#241-245= 4 points
#246-250= 3 points

Probably the best info I have ever seen on how the stars are rated,thanks.

 

[_dave_]

Loved this quote, from a MN beat writer describing the introductory press conference:

Putting a microphone in front of P.J. Fleck is like putting an easel in front of Picasso, a guitar in front of Hendrix.​

Picasso really knew his x's and o's but putting them on chalkboard made everyone say, "why is he coach, my 7 year old can draw that up."

 

[AntiG]

Hopefully Bolds, Lovett and Miller come aboard soon.

 

[RU31trap]

Can't say until they develope into starters. Way too many intangibles involved which makes it difficult or near impossible to determine which RU Class was the best.

 

[Dpgru]

IMO whether this class is the best ever has nothing to do with ratings it will all depend on how they perform. We won't know that for at least three years. Ratings are usually a decent measure of the players ability but they can be very misleading.

 

[yellowlot]

Currently ranked #34 on Scout,and #27 on Rivals. With 20 commits so far,I wonder if the remaining students we get will raise our rank,keep it the same or lower it. I can't remember if any of Greg's classes were any higher,but I remember a couple in the 30's. Yes.I'm one of those fans that do believe in the Star system, as it seems to play out way more than it doesn't. In fact, there was a break down I saw one year after the NFL draft, and at least 80% of the 1st round picks were 4 or every high 3+ stars in HS.No doubt there are plenty of late bloomers that blow up in college, and are coached up, but give me the raw talent to work with first as so many perennial college powers get to do.

Wonder how that compares to mid level B1G schools. UM. tOSU, PSU, and even MSU, wisky and Nebraska aside, can we gain ground on the others, that would be realistic for CA in really year 1 of recruiting trail.

 

[Yeah Baby]

PSUNut, thank you but waaay TMI for me. It seems we can move up a little even with the addition of 3 stars if you look at Arizona and some others ahead of us. Our Top 20 as of today includes some 2 stars. Some highly rated 3 stars will bump us a little but from where we are today in terms of total points. How everyone else shakes out I do not know or care to think about LOL.

 

[mikemarc1]

There's a ton of schools with roughly half the commits we have. Oregon, Stanford, Clemson, and Texas are examples. They're all gonna blow by us thus dropping us....figure an easy 15 spots give or take

OK..not sure how that effects our class though. Whether we finish 25-50th..our class is our class..and the recruits we have verballed now..will definitely be one of our best.

 

[huskersalways]

Just by using current points per recruit average number(not the average stars) from teams behind RU currently I came up with 17 teams that would pass RU when they would have 20 recruits. This does not factor in RU getting more recruits, which they will, or any super formula to calculate anything. I just took current per player averages with 20 total recruits as the cap.

 

[PSU_Nut]

OK..not sure how that effects our class though. Whether we finish 25-50th..our class is our class..and the recruits we have verballed now..will definitely be one of our best.

How do you measure that? With out using a metric like class ratings how do you know it the best? Most people here couldn't tell a D-2 kids from a 5 star kid if you showed them a highlight tape of both players. So class ratings is an easy metric for people to use to measure the relative strength of a class. I am also sure no one has watched film of other recruits to be able to say your getting the best guys out there. It doesn't matter if it is your best class if it is not better than your competition.

 

[MikeRU09]

Simply because not all 3 star or 4 star or 5 star are equal. Here is an example of how that can work:

For example from Rutgers Class:
4 Star Fogg is a 5.8 worth 105 Points
4 Star Clark is a 5.8 worth 105 Point plus 19 points for being #170 overall for a total of 124 points.
3 Star Lewis is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Watt is a 5.5 worth 60 Points
Avg: 3.5 Stars Total Points: 379

For example from Penn State Class:
4 Star Hansord is a 5.9 for 120 Points plus 27 points for being #129 overall for a total of 147 points.
3 Star Miranda is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Barber is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Stat Hippenhammer is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
Average 3.25 Stars Total Points: 417

Since Rutgers is at 20 commits the lowest recruit is a 5.4 worth 45 points. So if they sign a 4 star like Fogg that not in the top 250 the overall teams score would go up 45 points because you would subtract the 45 points for the 5.4 kid and add the 90 for the 5.8 kid. Now a school with fewer than 20 would gain the entire point total.

What is the formula?
Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points
Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)
(Rivals Rating = Points)
6.1 = 150 points
6.0 = 135 points
5.9 = 120 points
5.8 = 105 points
5.7 = 90 points
5.6 = 75 points
5.5 = 60 points
5.4 = 45 points
5.3 = 30 points
5.2 = 15 points
Rivals 250 Bonus Scale (all commitments)
#1= 100 points
#2= 83 points
#3= 82 points
#4= 81 points
#5= 80 points
#6= 76 points
#7= 75 points
#8= 74 points
#9= 73 points
#10= 72 points
#11= 69 points
#12= 68 points
#13= 67 points
#14= 66 points
#15= 65 points
#16= 64 points
#17= 63 points
#18= 62 points
#19= 61 points
#20= 60 points
#21= 59 points
#22= 58 points
#23= 57 points
#24= 56 points
#25= 55 points
#26-30= 53 points
#31-35= 51 points
#36-40= 49 points
#41-45= 47 points
#46-50= 45 points
#51-55= 43 points
#56-60= 41 points
#61-65= 40 points
#66-70= 39 points
#71-75= 38 points
#76-80= 37 points
#81-85= 36 points
#86-90= 35 points
#91-95= 34 points
#96-100= 33 points
#101-105= 32 points
#106-110= 31 points
#111-115= 30 points
#116-120= 29 points
#121-125= 28 points
#126-130= 27 points
#131-135= 26 points
#136-140= 25 points
#141-145= 24 points
#146-150= 23 points
#151-155= 22 points
#156-160= 21 points
#161-165= 20 points
#166-170= 19 points
#171-175= 18 points
#176-180= 17 points
#181-185= 16 points
#186-190= 15 points
#191-195= 14 points
#196-200= 13 points
#201-205= 12 points
#206-210= 11 points
#211-215= 10 points
#216-220= 9 points
#221-225= 8 points
#226-230= 7 points
#231-235= 6 points
#236-240= 5 points
#241-245= 4 points
#246-250= 3 points

 

[waretown]

Currently ranked #34 on Scout,and #27 on Rivals. With 20 commits so far,I wonder if the remaining students we get will raise our rank,keep it the same or lower it. I can't remember if any of Greg's classes were any higher,but I remember a couple in the 30's. Yes.I'm one of those fans that do believe in the Star system, as it seems to play out way more than it doesn't. In fact, there was a break down I saw one year after the NFL draft, and at least 80% of the 1st round picks were 4 or every high 3+ stars in HS.No doubt there are plenty of late bloomers that blow up in college, and are coached up, but give me the raw talent to work with first as so many perennial college powers get to do.

NO

 

[RUBand]

Loved this quote, from a MN beat writer describing the introductory press conference:

Putting a microphone in front of P.J. Fleck is like putting an easel in front of Picasso, a guitar in front of Hendrix.​

Cool. One of the writers from NJ might write:
"Time will Tell"
"Huge Challenge"
"Let's See"
If he were hired at RU.

 

[Rutgers36]

Believe it or not Doug Graber had a top ten class with his first class as it appeared in The Sporting News. Jay Bellamy(played for Seahawks) and Malik Jackson spearheaded that group.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Here was a 5* in HS, and in the clip they said the only question was his arm strength,and at a football camp he proved otherwise and got the 5th star. No way to measure his heart or toughness or he would have been the first 6*,lol.https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/642

 

[jason21psu]

Simply because not all 3 star or 4 star or 5 star are equal. Here is an example of how that can work:

For example from Rutgers Class:
4 Star Fogg is a 5.8 worth 105 Points
4 Star Clark is a 5.8 worth 105 Point plus 19 points for being #170 overall for a total of 124 points.
3 Star Lewis is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Watt is a 5.5 worth 60 Points
Avg: 3.5 Stars Total Points: 379

For example from Penn State Class:
4 Star Hansord is a 5.9 for 120 Points plus 27 points for being #129 overall for a total of 147 points.
3 Star Miranda is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Star Barber is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
3 Stat Hippenhammer is a 5.7 worth 90 Points
Average 3.25 Stars Total Points: 417

Since Rutgers is at 20 commits the lowest recruit is a 5.4 worth 45 points. So if they sign a 4 star like Fogg that not in the top 250 the overall teams score would go up 45 points because you would subtract the 45 points for the 5.4 kid and add the 90 for the 5.8 kid. Now a school with fewer than 20 would gain the entire point total.

What is the formula?
Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points
Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)
(Rivals Rating = Points)
6.1 = 150 points
6.0 = 135 points
5.9 = 120 points
5.8 = 105 points
5.7 = 90 points
5.6 = 75 points
5.5 = 60 points
5.4 = 45 points
5.3 = 30 points
5.2 = 15 points
Rivals 250 Bonus Scale (all commitments)
#1= 100 points
#2= 83 points
#3= 82 points
#4= 81 points
#5= 80 points
#6= 76 points
#7= 75 points
#8= 74 points
#9= 73 points
#10= 72 points
#11= 69 points
#12= 68 points
#13= 67 points
#14= 66 points
#15= 65 points
#16= 64 points
#17= 63 points
#18= 62 points
#19= 61 points
#20= 60 points
#21= 59 points
#22= 58 points
#23= 57 points
#24= 56 points
#25= 55 points
#26-30= 53 points
#31-35= 51 points
#36-40= 49 points
#41-45= 47 points
#46-50= 45 points
#51-55= 43 points
#56-60= 41 points
#61-65= 40 points
#66-70= 39 points
#71-75= 38 points
#76-80= 37 points
#81-85= 36 points
#86-90= 35 points
#91-95= 34 points
#96-100= 33 points
#101-105= 32 points
#106-110= 31 points
#111-115= 30 points
#116-120= 29 points
#121-125= 28 points
#126-130= 27 points
#131-135= 26 points
#136-140= 25 points
#141-145= 24 points
#146-150= 23 points
#151-155= 22 points
#156-160= 21 points
#161-165= 20 points
#166-170= 19 points
#171-175= 18 points
#176-180= 17 points
#181-185= 16 points
#186-190= 15 points
#191-195= 14 points
#196-200= 13 points
#201-205= 12 points
#206-210= 11 points
#211-215= 10 points
#216-220= 9 points
#221-225= 8 points
#226-230= 7 points
#231-235= 6 points
#236-240= 5 points
#241-245= 4 points
#246-250= 3 points

This is the first time I seen the methodology behind how Rivals calculates their points. I've preferred the 247 composite any day and twice on Saturday but now that I see Rivals methodology make it 3 times on Saturday.

 

[Kbee3]

Believe it or not Doug Graber had a top ten class with his first class as it appeared in The Sporting News. Jay Bellamy(played for Seahawks) and Malik Jackson spearheaded that group.

Come on. Rutgers has never had a top ten recruiting class.
Never will.
Well maybe they did once in women's basketball. But that's it.
Wish we had....or that we could possibly in the future. I don't see it.

 

[MorrisAsh]

You guys kill me. Rutgers won 2 games and didn't look like they belonged in the conference v. Michigan, PSU, OSU and a bad MSU team. For Ash to keep this class together and only lose two commits is fantastic, although I'm hearing they may lose Marsette if Iowa offers.

Plus if they close out by getting Bolds and Eddie Lewis and the Temple commit Blackshear, that will be as good as you can hope for.

 

[RUaMoose]

What matters is how they recruit compared with schools they play year in, year out. Let’s forget about OSU and Michigan for now. In the short term, they need to beat out PSU and Maryland for recruits if they’re going to get anywhere.

 

[RUwoz]

What matters is how they recruit compared with schools they play year in, year out. Let’s forget about OSU and Michigan for now. In the short term, they need to beat out PSU and Maryland for recruits if they’re going to get anywhere.

We won't beat our Maryland with UA there and PSU is back with OSU and UM, so really we need to beat Indiana and Michigan state first

 

[mikemarc1]

How do you measure that? With out using a metric like class ratings how do you know it the best? Most people here couldn't tell a D-2 kids from a 5 star kid if you showed them a highlight tape of both players. So class ratings is an easy metric for people to use to measure the relative strength of a class. I am also sure no one has watched film of other recruits to be able to say your getting the best guys out there. It doesn't matter if it is your best class if it is not better than your competition.

Based on stars and the amount of offers our recruits have gotten, its up there as the best. Whether we finish 20 and 50..it will still be the best, imo.

 

[urbanecane]

I would put this class behind 2012, 2011 and 2009. It would be in that discussion if RU kept Taylor and added another 4*. The good news is a class like this one is good enough to put the 2-10 days in the rear view mirror......The bad news is it's nothing close to what OSU, UM, PSU and even Maryland are bringing to the table.

 

[Abro1975]

It is very difficult for a relatively unknown Head Coach at Rutgers to out recruit Meyers, Harbaugh, Dantonio, Franklin. Win some games and then hopefully improve his reputation and out recruit Maryland and Indiana. Then slowly take on bigger names.
Unto RU gets a full share and can afford a famous Head Coach things will remain pretty much the same.