I'm going to do a 180 on this...

[michstfr]

...but now I hear he is likely to be terminated at year end.

Hearing similar names for RU that have been bandied about on this board-Sendek, King Rice and Lonergan.

I did state earlier I heard he was likely to get another year but the pressure is becoming too much at this point.

 

[ImBadRU]

Please Lonergan....homerun.

 

[ruman]

...but now I hear he is likely to be terminated at year end.

Hearing similar names for RU that have been bandied about on this board-Sendek, King Rice and Lonergan.

I did state earlier I heard he was likely to get another year but the pressure is becoming too much at this point.

From your lips...

Somewhere I read that Hobbs interviewed Lonergan for SHU (he was at Vermont). Hope it went well

 

[bac2therac]

well thats interesting....I think Sendek and Lonergan should be the top two choices. How realistically do you think it is to get either. I don't like Rice...I don't like his demeanor and given what went on at RU in the past perhaps we should be looking in the other direction

and I think as I posted to you a few weeks ago, info is always changing especially as losses mount. I think its the sheer amount of losing and hopelessness. Its pretty hard to defend a possible 5-41 record in last 46 games and a 34 game conference losing streak by seasons end. But like I said, intel always changes so Im sure at some point the EJ supporters will try and push back with the powersthatbe (Hobbs)...but in the end I fully expect Hobbs to do the right thing

 

[ruman]

well thats interesting....I think Sendek and Lonergan should be the top two choices. How realistically do you think it is to get either. I don't like Rice...I don't like his demeanor and given what went on at RU in the past perhaps we should be looking in the other direction

and I think as I posted to you a few weeks ago, info is always changing especially as losses mount. I think its the sheer amount of losing and hopelessness. Its pretty hard to defend a possible 5-41 record in last 46 games and a 34 game conference losing streak by seasons end. But like I said, intel always changes so Im sure at some point the EJ supporters will try and push back with the powersthatbe (Hobbs)...but in the end I fully expect Hobbs to do the right thing

If Towers couldn't save Flood, I don't think anybody has that juice on the bb side

 

[Kbee3]

"Its pretty hard to defend a possible 5-41 record in last 46 games and a 34 game conference losing streak by seasons end. "

The won/loss record is just so bad. No school would consider retaining a guy with such a horrible, horrible record. As one of my buddies put it the other night, Rutgers needs to get a coach in here that will make the 7th and 8th grade ballers stop laughing at the RU basketball program.
Eddie needs to go.

 

[bac2therac]

If Towers couldn't save Flood, I don't think anybody has that juice on the bb side

Hobbs has the entire 76 squad and Tom Young whispering in his ear.

 

[ruman]

Hobbs has the entire 76 squad and Tom Young whispering in his ear.

How much cash are they ponying up - that was 40 years ago. And he has no history with them.

If Eddie was 500 but struggling thats one things - No one will question why this change is made

 

[michstfr]

There is a big difference between Flood and Jordan. Flood inherited the job from a solid coach in Schiano. Jordan inherited a mess and there weren't exactly big time coaches lining up for this job. RU is a beggar in many ways not a chooser. Don't equate the two. Flood was kept for continuity reasons.

Lonergan is high with many donors but they don't think ultimately he will jump from GW for the RU job. RU not high enough for him now and too long of a climb to get good.

 

[ruman]

There is a big difference between Flood and Jordan. Flood inherited the job from a solid coach in Schiano. Jordan inherited a mess and there weren't exactly big time coaches lining up for this job. RU is a beggar in many ways not a chooser. Don't equate the two. Flood was kept for continuity reasons.

Lonergan is high with many donors but they don't think ultimately he will jump from GW for the RU job. RU not high enough for him now and too long of a climb to get good.

He's a good one to shoot for, but its a real leap of faith for him - they would need to give him a lot of guaranteed money.
Thats the difference in contract negotiations. Jordan came here and did not have a job to leave. Lonergan would give up a good gig for one hell of a challenge. He would need to be compensated for it - alot

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

no rice...others OK. I have made my point known about Sendek....however how nice would it be if he was announced as head Coach before or during the NCAA tournament

 

[Mr Magoo]

well thats interesting....I think Sendek and Lonergan should be the top two choices. How realistically do you think it is to get either. I don't like Rice...I don't like his demeanor and given what went on at RU in the past perhaps we should be looking in the other direction

and I think as I posted to you a few weeks ago, info is always changing especially as losses mount. I think its the sheer amount of losing and hopelessness. Its pretty hard to defend a possible 5-41 record in last 46 games and a 34 game conference losing streak by seasons end. But like I said, intel always changes so Im sure at some point the EJ supporters will try and push back with the powersthatbe (Hobbs)...but in the end I fully expect Hobbs to do the right thing

Agree here except I like Longeran way more than Sendek but I'd be happy with either. I had liked Rice at one point but I'm not a fan any more. I especially don't like the circus that he allows on his bench. Nevertheless, I'd take almost anyone.

I'm also hearing he's gone but who really knows?

 

[megadrone]

He's a good one to shoot for, but its a real leap of faith for him - they would need to give him a lot of guaranteed money.
Thats the difference in contract negotiations. Jordan came here and did not have a job to leave. Lonergan would give up a good gig for one hell of a challenge. He would need to be compensated for it - alot

AT least now, with the active campaign running for the practice facilities, that might sway someone who absolutely wouldn't have taken the job 3 years ago. Jordan was there when no one else wanted to be.

We could be in a different position now with our ability to attract a coach.

 

[ruman]

AT least now, with the active campaign running for the practice facilities, that might sway someone who absolutely wouldn't have taken the job 3 years ago. Jordan was there when no one else wanted to be.

We could be in a different position now with our ability to attract a coach.

Yea - and Eddie taking the job on without a salary was terrific as well.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

I am no expert..but Rice seems just like more of the same for Rutgers. Need to reach much higher or go 1 more year with this mess.

 

[TDIrish27]

Lonergan is an excellent coach and if a change is made he's a good hire.

The only way I would think he would consider the job would be an enormous contract say 15-18 million over 7 years.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Michst, if Hobbs makes the change, are you hearing anything that you can share about whether Sanders and Freeman stay on board?

 

[michstfr]

I don't have anything in terms of player retention assuming a change but assuming a coaching change comes it is almost inevitable that roster turnover (de-commitments, transfers etc) is going to occur. That is just natural.

It is part of the price you pay but from the comments made on this board it seems that the fan base is more than willing to trade some roster upheaval for a new coach and staff.

Michst, if Hobbs makes the change, are you hearing anything that you can share about whether Sanders and Freeman stay on board?

 

[Mr_Twister]

From reading this thread, sounds like AD Hobbs will not go the "Chris Ash" route, hiring a Big Ten assistant from a top notch program with serious recruiting chops, who knows the lay of the land in the Big Ten, and is ready to make a name for himself and the program. Might be interesting to hear NJ native, ex-Maryland coach, and Big Ten network college basketball analyst Gary Williams suggest a name or two.

 

[Caliknight]

Longeran! A professional college basketball coach. Just what this program needs.

 

[RU MAN]

Longeran would be a great hire, but I just don't see him leaving GW for RU. I see him going to a more established program. I do however believe Sendek could be a real possibility and I think he too would be a terrific hire. He has proven he is really good college BB coach who knows how to build a program. That's what we need right now: a proven college BB coach who can get us over the ugly hump and turn this moribund program into a winner.

 

[TDIrish27]

Without hiring some high powered Assistants with him IMO the hiring of Sendek produces a collective yawn amongst the people in the NYC-NJ area who matter and that would be the players and the coaches both HS and AAU.

 

[RU MAN]

Without hiring some high powered Assistants with him IMO the hiring of Sendek produces a collective yawn amongst the people in the NYC-NJ area who matter and that would be the players and the coaches both HS and AAU.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with your "collective yawn." We're beggars now, not choosers. We need a proven commodity here who has done it before at a few schools and will actually take the job. Unless we can convince someone like Amaker or one of the top assistants at Michigan St. or Duke, I just don't see who we can hire that will "matter" to HS and AAU programs. What say you?

 

[bac2therac]

Without hiring some high powered Assistants with him IMO the hiring of Sendek produces a collective yawn amongst the people in the NYC-NJ area who matter and that would be the players and the coaches both HS and AAU.

no it doesn't......he has recruited and won. It also is the most qualified hire at this school since CVS in the mid 90s. He has always had a history of top notch assistants as well..so much for your yawn

 

[TDIrish27]

Oh good----you're right and I'm wrong.

Name the last kid from this area who signed with Herb Sendek.

 

[Sideline20]

Without hiring some high powered Assistants with him IMO the hiring of Sendek produces a collective yawn amongst the people in the NYC-NJ area who matter and that would be the players and the coaches both HS and AAU.

Pretty neat to get a collective yawn for a guy that has won more than 400 college basketball games.

 

[scarletrat]

I was a staunch supporter when EJ was hired. I"ve come to realize that he needs to go now, for the good of the program. Perhaps he can reassigned in some type of ambassador role with the Athletic Department. It would be best if EJ "retired" rather than get fired. If NC State, Houston, etc can hire and fire Lowe, Drexler, respectively, then it can be done. I had hoped EJ would be our version of Fred Hoiberg.

Don't understate Hobbs wanting to make an imprint in hiring "his guy". It would also hopefully mean the practice facility and improvements are real.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Oh good----you're right and I'm wrong.

Name the last kid from this area who signed with Herb Sendek.

Exactly, if you look at his roster during his entire tenure at AZ State, there are very very few players on those teams that came from east of the Miss River. I'm sure he can easily lure some recruits from AZ to Rutgers (sarcasm intended) on his own. Sendek will need high profile assts.

 

[bac2therac]

Exactly, if you look at his roster during his entire tenure at AZ State, there are very very few players on those teams that came from east of the Miss River. I'm sure he can easily lure some recruits from AZ to Rutgers (sarcasm intended) on his own. Sendek will need high profile assts.

so what....Hurley is ASU now....Sendek was at NC State before

Eddie sure does not recruit NJ so why are you slamming Sendek. Maybe Sideline20 can repost all the assistants that have worked under Sendek..he has a knack for spotting young talent

 

[goru7]

AT least now, with the active campaign running for the practice facilities, that might sway someone who absolutely wouldn't have taken the job 3 years ago. Jordan was there when no one else wanted to be.

We could be in a different position now with our ability to attract a coach.

What ability to attract a coach? To the coaching graveyard ?without any facilities?laughable

 

[Sideline20]

so what....Hurley is ASU now....Sendek was at NC State before

Eddie sure does not recruit NJ so why are you slamming Sendek. Maybe Sideline20 can repost all the assistants that have worked under Sendek..he has a knack for spotting young talent

I posted this in the "What I'm Hearing" thread - post #88........

One of the key components of recruiting in Sendek's career has been the role of the assistant coaches. He has targeted men that will become head coaches in a short amount of time. For example, some of the assistants he has had over the years are:
· John Groce, Ohio (2008-2012), Illinois (2012-present)
· Larry Hunter, Western Carolina (2005–present)
· Dedrique Taylor, Cal State Fullerton (2013–present)
· Thad Matta, Butler (2000-2001), Xavier (2001-2004), Ohio State (2004-present)
· Archie Miller, Dayton (2011–present)
· Sean Miller, Xavier (2004-2009), Arizona (2009-present)
· James Whitford, Ball State (2013–present)

The assistants recruit and Sendek closes the deal.

 

[bac2therac]

thanks Sideline....that's a pretty solid coaching tree

 

[Seton75]

Oh good----you're right and I'm wrong.

Name the last kid from this area who signed with Herb Sendek.

Danny Werner from CBA signed with Sendak, but got out of his NC St commitment when Sendak got canned. The family spoke very highly of Sendak. fwiw If I were you guys I would ask Xavier who they wold hire. While you and SH make bad decisions by the bushelful, Xavier hires a home run every time...

 

[Seton75]

Danny Werner from CBA signed with Sendak, but got out of his NC St commitment when Sendak got canned. The family spoke very highly of Sendak. fwiw If I were you guys I would ask Xavier who they wold hire. While you and SH make bad decisions by the bushelful, Xavier hires a home run every time...

He also got Brandon Costner from SH Prep.

 

[ruman]

Danny Werner from CBA signed with Sendak, but got out of his NC St commitment when Sendak got canned. The family spoke very highly of Sendak. fwiw If I were you guys I would ask Xavier who they wold hire. While you and SH make bad decisions by the bushelful, Xavier hires a home run every time...

How the heck do they do it - its an amazing run

 

[Mr_Twister]

Before we go too far here, Mike Rice apologists will no doubt mention that Lonergan was tossed from his daughter's JV game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...own-out-of-his-daughters-jv-high-school-game/

 

[ruman]

Before we go too far here, Mike Rice apologists will no doubt mention that Lonergan was tossed from his daughter's JV game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...own-out-of-his-daughters-jv-high-school-game/

maybe it was a bad call

 

[willisneverrana43]

I suspect that what you "heard" this time is worth as much as what you "heard" last time. It doesn't take much reasoning to disassemble the pointless game of telephone that might, maybe reach all the way to someone who likely hasn't made a decision yet to understand how useless this type of fan/message board information is.

It's much more reliable to just step back and look at the situation. And looking at this situation, it's hard to imagine any professional AD letting this historically bad situation continue. That's why I thought EJ was likely to be terminated whenever you made the first post about this (and I don't remember it) and that's why I feel the same way now that you've made your second post saying the exact opposite thing.

It's not a dead certainty because of money. That's the only reason why EJ might stay, but I believe that it is unlikely to save him. Now, if he's kept, you'll hear about injuries and the hole he had to dig out of. But that would be lip service. The real reason would be money.

Don't need a game of telephone to figure that out.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Danny Werner from CBA signed with Sendak, but got out of his NC St commitment when Sendak got canned. The family spoke very highly of Sendak. fwiw If I were you guys I would ask Xavier who they wold hire. While you and SH make bad decisions by the bushelful, Xavier hires a home run every time...

Sendek didn't get "canned." He left because he couldn't beat 2 of the 5 greatest programs in NCAA history - UNC and Duke (think he was 6-22 combined or something crazy like that...) - and the alumni were pressuring the AD. Just want to keep the story straight, thanks!

 

[RocktheRac]

James Harden was recruited by Sendek and played for him at Arizona State. Enough said.