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I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."
 
I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."
Your greatest post ever.....and I even read the entire thing! No weather trolling for the rest of 2019. Enjoy!

And yes, I will send a message.
 
I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."
No thanks. Think RU behaved reasonably here and Greg over reached. I support Rutgers, not an egomaniacal coach who stranded us in the dark of night once, leaving recruits waiting in a gym for him to visit, and mysteriously pulled out on New England.
 
I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."


Your best post ever.
 
Your greatest post ever.....and I even read the entire thing! No weather trolling for the rest of 2019. Enjoy!

And yes, I will send a message.

Your best post ever.

I'd much rather have Greg, here, and you guys yelling at me, lol, but thanks. This is all just so depressing. Politi's article really confirms how much of an ass Hobbs is and how small time RU remains. Sometimes I just can't take being an RU fan. Why can't we have nice things?

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...ll-dream-with-greg-schiano-fiasco-politi.html
 
The school acted very responsibly. They made a generous offer. Schiano didn’t really want the job.

Politi obviously has a grudge with Hobbs, perhaps over Hobbs cursing at an NJ.COM reporter (who deserved the curses).

I’d give Hobbs a raise.
 
Hobbs’ year long strategy was to keep Schiano out!

That’s why he kept Ash.
That’s why Schiano left the Patriots
That’s why he fired Ash after four games
 
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The school acted very responsibly. They made a generous offer. Schiano didn’t really want the job.

Politi obviously has a grudge with Hobbs, perhaps over Hobbs cursing at an NJ.COM reporter (who deserved the curses).

I’d give Hobbs a raise.
Me too! He had the balls to stand up against these outrageous demands.
 
I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."

I agree with a lot of what you say, but you're putting a lot of weight on the source cited in the yahoo! article. I suspect that source is just trying to spin this thing to make Schiano appear to be the good guy and Hobbs the villain. I'd be cautious about drawing conclusions. We really don't know what killed the deal; my guess is that both sides were at least a little unreasonable.

I also think that the "dot the i's, cross the t's" folks were totally off-base. Something fundamental was probably at issue for the negotiations to break down like this.
 
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I've said it on these boards before, but I still don't see the urgency to replace the bubble. I get keeping up with the Jones's and we're running with the Big Dogs of the B1G now, but I just don't see the bubble being that big a detriment to the program. We literally just upgraded the practice fields and locker room. I much would have preferred guaranteeing bigger payouts for assistants before concerning about the facilities. Win first, and then the money will follow.
 
The school acted very responsibly. They made a generous offer. Schiano didn’t really want the job.

Politi obviously has a grudge with Hobbs, perhaps over Hobbs cursing at an NJ.COM reporter (who deserved the curses).

I’d give Hobbs a raise.

You are so full of shit it's not funny or you're just trolling and that's annoying. It's fine to not like Schiano, but it's been documented by many reporters (and mods on the message boards and people who are coaches out there) that Schiano was all in and had already started contacting coaches about recruiting, as per the excerpt from Politi's article.

Schiano, according to multiple sources familiar with the Nov. 5 meeting between the two sides, came armed with a scouting report of the current roster that stunned people in the room and a list of more than 100 potential targets in the transfer portal to jumpstart the rebuild. He had already started recruiting, behind the scenes, to salvage a 2020 class that looks like a hopeless cause now.
 
I've said it on these boards before, but I still don't see the urgency to replace the bubble. I get keeping up with the Jones's and we're running with the Big Dogs of the B1G now, but I just don't see the bubble being that big a detriment to the program. We literally just upgraded the practice fields and locker room. I much would have preferred guaranteeing bigger payouts for assistants before concerning about the facilities. Win first, and then the money will follow.

Are you in the BOG?
 
You are so full of shit it's not funny or you're just trolling and that's annoying. It's fine to not like Schiano, but it's been documented by many reporters (and mods on the message boards and people who are coaches out there) that Schiano was all in and had already started contacting coaches about recruiting, as per the excerpt from Politi's article.

Schiano, according to multiple sources familiar with the Nov. 5 meeting between the two sides, came armed with a scouting report of the current roster that stunned people in the room and a list of more than 100 potential targets in the transfer portal to jumpstart the rebuild. He had already started recruiting, behind the scenes, to salvage a 2020 class that looks like a hopeless cause now.
I’m full of shit? [roll]

I’m not the one who claimed it was a done deal. Or that Schiano quit the Pats to come to RU. I’m also not the one who, absent any real information to support it, is blaming Hobbs for the breakdown in talks.

If the reports are true, and RU offered Schiano $32M over 8 years, $7.5M budget for assistants, and a field-house, then Hobbs and the BOG made a perfectly good offer that was actually generous.

If Schiano wanted the job, then he should’ve accepted the offer (again, assuming the offer was what has been reported). All the stories of his being all ready to recruit are nice. But they are irrelevant to why the talks broke down.

We will learn more as time passes. But we’re unlikely to ever really know exactly what happened.
 
Complaining won't do shit. If anyone with the means wants Schiano bad enough, now would be the time to figure out where exactly the shortfall was and see what can be done about it. that is the only thing that changes this. The BOG didn't want to commit the necessary money - whatever it was - plain and simple.
 
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You are so full of shit it's not funny or you're just trolling and that's annoying. It's fine to not like Schiano, but it's been documented by many reporters (and mods on the message boards and people who are coaches out there) that Schiano was all in and had already started contacting coaches about recruiting, as per the excerpt from Politi's article.

Schiano, according to multiple sources familiar with the Nov. 5 meeting between the two sides, came armed with a scouting report of the current roster that stunned people in the room and a list of more than 100 potential targets in the transfer portal to jumpstart the rebuild. He had already started recruiting, behind the scenes, to salvage a 2020 class that looks like a hopeless cause now.
Don't you hate trolls! Put him on ignore. :)
 
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The school acted very responsibly. They made a generous offer. Schiano didn’t really want the job.

Politi obviously has a grudge with Hobbs, perhaps over Hobbs cursing at an NJ.COM reporter (who deserved the curses).

I’d give Hobbs a raise.
According to the Politi article he already started to hit the transfer portal to start to rebuild the roster. With that, on top of all the time we spent in negotiations I think its pretty stupid to say he never wanted the job.
 
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According to the Politi article he already started to hit the transfer portal to start to rebuild the roster. With that, on top of all the time we spent in negotiations I think its pretty stupid to say he never wanted the job.
Then why didn’t he take the job at $32M over 8 years with $7.5M for assistants?

Unless there’s something we don’t know, like the BOG balked because of the Sandusky connection, or because they wouldn’t approve what the reports say they approved, then if he really wanted the job, he’d have it.

In any event, I can’t see how Hobbs had a lot to do with it. Schiano set his terms and the BOG had to approve of them. Seems Hobbs was gonna do what the BOG told him to do.
 
No thanks. Think RU behaved reasonably here and Greg over reached. I support Rutgers, not an egomaniacal coach who stranded us in the dark of night once, leaving recruits waiting in a gym for him to visit, and mysteriously pulled out on New England.
How did Greg over reach when we are in the B1G and are competing against other B1G schools. Our facilities are not even comparable to even mid level B1G schools and Greg’s salary would have be mid to low level compared to other B1G coaches. Yes, there are other B1G coaches that are good that might get paid as much, BUT.... they don’t have to worry about facilities and selling the school. Greg wanted to have the ability to sell recruits about new facilities that were guaranteed in during their time at Rutgers
 
I'll pass.Im used to this.

I no longer even care enough. The program is just a sh*tshow and until we hire a real AD and have a president who cares, this will still be the norm. We are many years away.

I learned after dropping my tickets last season, that they are more things to do on Saturdays that don’t cause stress. I’ll continue to watch this mess on TV and shut it off whenever I want. Don’t miss going to the games at all...and I contribute much less also.
 
How did Greg over reach when we are in the B1G and are competing against other B1G schools. Our facilities are not even comparable to even mid level B1G schools and Greg’s salary would have be mid to low level compared to other B1G coaches. Yes, there are other B1G coaches that are good that might get paid as much, BUT.... they don’t have to worry about facilities and selling the school. Greg wanted to have the ability to sell recruits about new facilities that were guaranteed in during their time at Rutgers

We have fans that don’t understand what’s required to succeed in the B1G. They still think we can pull it off on an AAC outlay
 
Then why didn’t he take the job at $32M over 8 years with $7.5M for assistants?

Unless there’s something we don’t know, like the BOG balked because of the Sandusky connection, or because they wouldn’t approve what the reports say they approved, then if he really wanted the job, he’d have it.

In any event, I can’t see how Hobbs had a lot to do with it. Schiano set his terms and the BOG had to approve of them. Seems Hobbs was gonna do what the BOG told him to do.
Hobbs didn’t want to relinquish control to Greg and worked the BOG, probably those that didn’t think too much about anything athletic and could be swayed
 
We have fans that don’t understand what’s required to succeed in the B1G. They still think we can pull it off on an AAC outlay
I completely agree. Those same fans probably think foosball is the devil

Moreso, we have BOG members and a school president who don’t fully realize how positive a good, competitive football program is for a university. they should watch the DVD Pandemonium in Piscataway.

I have the dvd and unfortunately I think that will be the only thing I can show to my kids about how fun Rutgers football used to be
 
How did Greg over reach when we are in the B1G and are competing against other B1G schools. Our facilities are not even comparable to even mid level B1G schools and Greg’s salary would have be mid to low level compared to other B1G coaches. Yes, there are other B1G coaches that are good that might get paid as much, BUT.... they don’t have to worry about facilities and selling the school. Greg wanted to have the ability to sell recruits about new facilities that were guaranteed in during their time at Rutgers
I realize my opinion may be against the weight of many here, but it is unclear if when Rutgers said no to a new Hale center if Greg asked for more guaranteed years on his contract, that is over reaching. That was in Kratch's NJ.com original story, but then it was taken out. There are so many versions of "facts" swirling now, it is hard to sort out.
Let's agree that the story was incorrect. And that the sticking point was a timeline on when and how much would be spent on facilities. Without commitments from donors and the inability to get a commitment from the Governor or Legislature on funding in a reasonable time frame, how was Rutgers supposed to financially commit to something they could not afford?
 
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Rutgers never wanted to compete in the B1G, at least in football. They just wanted to cash B1G checks.

As for Hobbs, he has accomplished what many SHU fans wanted and that is helping to destroy RU football. First there was the Ash hire which failed miserably. Now, this debacle. The blind Hobbs supporters have to reconcile the fact that RU is the worst P5 football program on his watch. The program is getting embarrassed on a weekly basis. Shutouts like last week are a regular occurrence. He can’t get back to South Orange fast enough.
 
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; )

I don’t think speculative though
It’s even speculative that Schiano wanted full control of the football program with no oversight. I seriously doubt that’s true, and if it IS true, then I’m glad we didn’t hire him.

I said it before, but it bears repeating. Lack of oversight and elevating a coach to an unreasonable status is a recipe for what happened at Penn State.
 
Somebody in the 100 level seats sneak down and put a tack on his courtside throne seat lol.


Honestly, I'd just like to know the truth. 1 of these two are big d-bags. Perhaps BOTH . perhaps many d bags involved.

WAY too much speculation. Way too much hate amongst good fans. We lead the country in dysfunction and divisiveness.
 
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I am done with all things Rutgers.

Schiano was our last best shot at showing we were serious about committing to big-time. Clearly it's over now.

Barchi, Hobbs and the BOG proved what we always knew about them. This outcome is not really shocking. What is shocking, is that Hobbs strung us along, down this path, when it is now clear that he never real|y intended to hire Greg.

No one will fire Hobbs because he's done the bidding Barchi and the BOG.

We have been Rutgersed, again.
 
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