In case you want to complain to Hobbs, Barchi, the BOG...

[MADHAT1]

Then why didn’t he take the job at $32M over 8 years with $7.5M for assistants?

Unless there’s something we don’t know, like the BOG balked because of the Sandusky connection, or because they wouldn’t approve what the reports say they approved, then if he really wanted the job, he’d have it.

In any event, I can’t see how Hobbs had a lot to do with it. Schiano set his terms and the BOG had to approve of them. Seems Hobbs was gonna do what the BOG told him to do.

Maybe money wasn't a big factor .
What salary he was willing to accept
would have put him among the lowest paid HCs in the B1G.

Could be Greg felt Hobbs/Rutgers weren't fully committed to making the FB
program successful and he wasn't going to get the type of support needed to make RU FB a winner again.
So he walked rather than accept thew type of half-assed support that leads more towards failure than success.

Now those who didn't want Schiano as HC have got the wish, but they better hope Hobbs won't be gambling on a hire that just wants a P-5 job and is unqualified to make a designer cake with
cupcake funding.

Greg didn't seem to think RU would do what was necessary and walked.
What makes anyone think better candidates ( yes they'll soon be available) will accept a bottom of B1G salary and on the cheap support.

Since Greg left Rutgers has run the program on the cheap and it seems
like it claims to be willing to spend, but refuses to prove it will.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Wow the meltdown is more intense than I would have imagined.

props to TKR for not crashing...well done gents!!!

 

[Upstream]

Wow the meltdown is more intense than I would have imagined.

props to TKR for not crashing...well done gents!!!

I was expecting much worse

 

[newell138]

Money aside people forget what kind of men the program produced under Greg. No scandals, no corruption, high APR, kids graduated, etc etc etc. on top of that he brought pride to the state of NJ and the state university.
All things the BOG didn’t consider I guess

 

[mildone]

Maybe money wasn't a big factor .
What salary he was willing to accept
would have put him among the lowest paid HCs in the B1G.

Could be Greg felt Hobbs/Rutgers weren't fully committed to making the FB
program successful and he wasn't going to get the type of support needed to make RU FB a winner again.
So he walked rather than accept thew type of half-assed support that leads more towards failure than success.

Now those who didn't want Schiano as HC have got the wish, but they better hope Hobbs won't be gambling on a hire that just wants a P-5 job and is unqualified to make a designer cake with
cupcake funding.

Greg didn't seem to think RU would do what was necessary and walked.
What makes anyone think better candidates ( yes they'll soon be available) will accept a bottom of B1G salary and on the cheap support.

Since Greg left Rutgers has run the program on the cheap and it seems
like it claims to be willing to spend, but refuses to prove it will.

The offer would put Schiano at $500K less than what Ryan Day is making at OSU, where he has already won the Big Ten East in his first season as head coach. $4M/year is generous for a guy that has never won anything as a head coach. The $7.5M is a great budget for assistants. The agreement to replace the bubble with a field house is a nice immediate upgrade.

So... yeah. If Schiano wanted more, let him accept the generous offer, come in and show the BOG that he can get the job done before committing to anything more.

 

[mildone]

I was expecting much worse

Me too.

 

[czxqa]

We have fans that don’t understand what’s required to succeed in the B1G. They still think we can pull it off on an AAC outlay

And a BOG that is under the same delusion.

 

[King of S]

I'll pass.Im used to this.

Passing to. I have better things to do.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

They’ll really get the message next year when the stadium appears to be no more than a scrimmage for opposing teams...

 

[T2Kplus10]

I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."

Just emailed Hobbs my ticket cancellation notice.

 

[RUScrew85]

Knight shift also liked flood and ash. He also put the great plum on ignore

Who's the great Plum? Oh. (LOL)

 

[RUScrew85]

I am done with all things Rutgers.

Schiano was our last best shot at showing we were serious about committing to big-time. Clearly it's over now.

Barchi, Hobbs and the BOG proved what we always knew about them. This outcome is not really shocking. What is shocking, is that Hobbs strung us along, down this path, when it is now clear that he never real|y intended to hire Greg.

No one will fire Hobbs because he's done the bidding Barchi and the BOG.

We have been Rutgersed, again.

Hobbs is perfect for Rutgers - a clone of Grunninger.

 

[mildone]

Who's the great Plum? Oh. (LOL)

The great mildone approves of the great joke the great RUScrew85 made about the great Plum’s great post.

 

[bob-loblaw]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but you're putting a lot of weight on the source cited in the yahoo! article. I suspect that source is just trying to spin this thing to make Schiano appear to be the good guy and Hobbs the villain. I'd be cautious about drawing conclusions. We really don't know what killed the deal; my guess is that both sides were at least a little unreasonable.

I also think that the "dot the i's, cross the t's" folks were totally off-base. Something fundamental was probably at issue for the negotiations to break down like this.

The source of the article is Greg.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The school acted very responsibly. They made a generous offer. Schiano didn’t really want the job.

Politi obviously has a grudge with Hobbs, perhaps over Hobbs cursing at an NJ.COM reporter (who deserved the curses).

I’d give Hobbs a raise.

So your saying that Rutgers first offer was for everything they would be willing to pay.

Hobbs opened with this best possible offer.

Is that what you are saying?

I wouldn't be surprised given what he gave Ash... who shared an agent with him.

 

[mildone]

So your saying that Rutgers first offer was for everything they would be willing to pay.

Hobbs opened with this best possible offer.

Is that what you are saying?

I wouldn't be surprised given what he gave Ash... who shared an agent with him.

No, that is not what I’m saying. I don’t know what RU’s initial offer was. Or what the sequence of negotiations were. There are news reports, some of them conflicting, so I’m not certain of anything. But ALL of the reports, from lowest reported compensation to highest equate to perfectly good offers for someone with Schiano’s resume.

 

[RUScrew85]

The great mildone approves of the great joke the great RUScrew85 made about the great Plum’s great post.

Great response.

 

[mildone]

Great response.

Greatly appreciated.

 

[MADHAT1]

No, that is not what I’m saying. I don’t know what RU’s initial offer was. Or what the sequence of negotiations were. There are news reports, some of them conflicting, so I’m not certain of anything. But ALL of the reports, from lowest reported compensation to highest equate to perfectly good offers for someone with Schiano’s resume.

could be, but it was the type of support Schiano thought he needed to be successful that ended the talks.
Knock what he is supposed to have wanted, but hope what the program needs to succeed the one Hobbs hires gets

Greg felt he needed some things to succeed, Hobbs and BOG disagreed, Greg walked away .
Hobbs now has to prove he can do better for less .
If not expect more losing years.
If he can find someone that can make RU FB a winner , more power to him and he'll have proven himself a wise man to have let Greg walk away.

As for me, I fear despite the willing to spend talk, the bottom line will be don't spend too much and that type of support might not help whoever's hired build a winning program

 

[mdh2003]

I’m going to make them all suffer by forwarding my pre nose job pictures.

 

[ArminRU]

I’m full of shit? [roll]

I’m not the one who claimed it was a done deal. Or that Schiano quit the Pats to come to RU. I’m also not the one who, absent any real information to support it, is blaming Hobbs for the breakdown in talks.

If the reports are true, and RU offered Schiano $32M over 8 years, $7.5M budget for assistants, and a field-house, then Hobbs and the BOG made a perfectly good offer that was actually generous.

If Schiano wanted the job, then he should’ve accepted the offer (again, assuming the offer was what has been reported). All the stories of his being all ready to recruit are nice. But they are irrelevant to why the talks broke down.

We will learn more as time passes. But we’re unlikely to ever really know exactly what happened.

This is not what Rutgers offered. That’s what Greg wanted and Rutgers said no.

 

[mildone]

This is not what Rutgers offered. That’s what Greg wanted and Rutgers said no.

Some articles are now saying what you just said. Some were saying what I said. We'll never really know. But all the news reports I've seen agree that it the offer was at least $4M/year for either 6 or 8 years, plus various bonuses and a very healthy assistant budget.

So if Schiano didn't want it, fine. Next man up.

 

[ArminRU]

Some articles are now saying what you just said. Some were saying what I said. We'll never really know. But all the news reports I've seen agree that it the offer was at least $4M/year for either 6 or 8 years, plus various bonuses and a very healthy assistant budget.

So if Schiano didn't want it, fine. Next man up.

No, trust me. Rutgers best was 6 years for $24mm and no field house.

“Next man up” lmao, have you seen the plan B guys yet? It aint pretty!

 

[RU848789]

I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."

Letters sent to Hobbs, Barchi and the BOG, expressing my extreme displeasure and making it clear that my 12 season tickets, modest donations, and my potential major donation to the chemical eng'g dept. at RU (a $50K endowed scholarship) are now all at risk if we don't reconsider and find a way to hire Schiano. I know it's not millions, but if hundreds to thousands feel the same way it'll be many millions in future lost revenue to athletics and academics.

 

[32prosper]

This is not what Rutgers offered. That’s what Greg wanted and Rutgers said no.

Some articles are now saying what you just said. Some were saying what I said. We'll never really know. But all the news reports I've seen agree that it the offer was at least $4M/year for either 6 or 8 years, plus various bonuses and a very healthy assistant budget.

So if Schiano didn't want it, fine. Next man up.

Next man up lol

There is no one else

They’re gonna hire the whole campanile family..

 

[Knight Shift]

Letters sent to Hobbs, Barchi and the BOG, expressing my extreme displeasure and making it clear that my 12 season tickets, modest donations, and my potential major donation to the chemical eng'g dept. at RU (a $50K endowed scholarship) are now all at risk if we don't reconsider and find a way to hire Schiano. I know it's not millions, but if hundreds to thousands feel the same way it'll be many millions in future lost revenue to athletics and academics.

Why the heck would you withhold a "potential" donation to the chemical engineering department? Chemical engineering has nothing to do with football.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Why the heck would you withhold a "potential" donation to the chemical engineering department? Chemical engineering has nothing to do with football.

Seriously...harming a potential gift to academics? But it is his money...

 

[RU848789]

Why the heck would you withhold a "potential" donation to the chemical engineering department? Chemical engineering has nothing to do with football.

Because I'm pissed at the university right now. It's my money and I'll do whatever the F I want with it. It's also called leverage. The $$ has been discussed with RU, but not delivered and all Barchi needs to know is that it's at risk (even if I still end up doing the scholarship, which is probable).

 

[cicero grimes]

Because I'm pissed at the university right now. It's my money and I'll do whatever the F I want with it. It's also called leverage. The $$ has been discussed with RU, but not delivered and all Barchi needs to know is that it's at risk (even if I still end up doing the scholarship, which is probable).

I am getting really tired myself of being asked to continue to spend good money on a bad product. Been doing it for 4 decades but nothing ever changes here.

 

[Knight Shift]

I am getting really tired myself of being asked to continue to spend good money on a bad product. Been doing it for 4 decades but nothing ever changes here.

Let's not confuse academics with athletics. Academics was going to get a larger share of our support going forward.

 

[MidwestKnights]

Letters sent to Hobbs, Barchi and the BOG, expressing my extreme displeasure and making it clear that my 12 season tickets, modest donations, and my potential major donation to the chemical eng'g dept. at RU (a $50K endowed scholarship) are now all at risk if we don't reconsider and find a way to hire Schiano. I know it's not millions, but if hundreds to thousands feel the same way it'll be many millions in future lost revenue to athletics and academics.

Letters sent to Hobbs, Barchi and the BOG, expressing my extreme displeasure and making it clear that my 12 season tickets, modest donations, and my potential major donation to the chemical eng'g dept. at RU (a $50K endowed scholarship) are now all at risk if we don't reconsider and find a way to hire Schiano. I know it's not millions, but if hundreds to thousands feel the same way it'll be many millions in future lost revenue to athletics and academics.

I'm also reconsidering my academic giving and I let them know that. At this point its beyond football. It's another piece of evidence that they have no clue what they are doing in the BIG.

Time and again it is epic failures of vision, strategy, and leadership .

 

[Ready to Rumble]

I sent my responses and would hope that everyone else takes a few minutes to do the same.

 

[mwcllc]

I will probably increase my academic giving by canceling my club seats. Rutgers-Camden, my alma mater, will be happy since my wife and I have established an endowed scholarship at Camden.

 

[willisneverrana43]

I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."

Thanks three degrees. Email sent to Pat Hobbs, with the text submitted to both the President and BOG.

 

[Caliknight]

Thanks for posting. I will send them a congratulatory email for being smart.

 

[willisneverrana43]

That will be big for the department, it's first such email.

 

[GoRutgersGo]

I'll certainly be sending some not-so-complimentary emails to all of these folks for the most epic failure in the history of modern day Rutgers Football. I thought Greg was the best man for the job, as per many of my posts. I also thought there could be others who might be successful here, so I wasn't all-in on Greg until it became obvious he was the only candidate we were looking at.

Hobbs's email: ad@scarletknights.com
Barchi's contact input page: https://rutgers.ca1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyDsPxIIB3FLlhX
BOG contact input page: https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/contact-us-0
(maybe there are actual email addresses for Barchi and the BOG, but I couldn't find them)

How in the hell does an AD allow this to happen? He had well over a year to figure out his strategy for hiring Ash's replacement, since he must have known there was no chance Ash was going to get it done this year, after last year's debacle, combined with no new infusion of talent.

He surely knew Greg would be interested (if I knew, he should've known), so there's simply zero reason for him to not know what Greg's "price" would be well in advance. And if he knew RU wasn't going to be able to meet that price - which isn't really that high of a price and which any decent candidate will also likely be asking for (with regard to salaries and upgrades in facilities) - he should've never let it get to a point where most of the fanbase got their hopes up unnecessarily and the whole world thought that the deal was going to be done.

The way this is playing out it's almost as if this is some Machiavellian charade aimed at making Greg look bad, so Hobbs can then focus on who he really wanted to hire in the first place, whoever that is, without people criticizing him for not at least pursuing Greg. I assume now he thinks he can say he tried but Greg was unreasonable.

Except I don't think most will buy it, based on what we're seeing in the media reports that say Greg wasn't making unreasonable demands (below) and especially with regard to the "new" candidates, who can't even come close to holding Greg's clipboard. If Hobbs was ever serious about going after a decent coach, other than Greg, we wouldn't be seeing names like Campanile and Fisch being bandied about. My guess is he never intended to hire Greg at all.

As one of my sources just said to me in an email, "Hobbs wins, Rutgers loses." Like I said, epic fail, even for Rutgers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/greg-schia...sted-in-head-coach-job-anymore-193103507.html

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations said that Schiano’s salary was not one of the hold-ups. He was slated to be paid among the bottom three head coaches in the Big Ten. The source added that Schiano made concessions from many of his initial asks.

The sides have been in frequent touch since the Nov. 5 meeting when Schiano laid out a granular plan that detailed what he felt it would take to revive the school’s lagging football program.

Rutgers (2-8, 0-7 Big Ten) is considered the worst Power Five program in college football and this failed courtship does little to shake that reputation."

Patt Hobbs’ = 732-445-8610 ad@scarletknights.com Left voice mail

Baumgartner = sbaumgartner@scarletknights.com

Barchi = 848-932-7454 Very nice lady answers and forwarding each concern

R Fund = 848-932-8514 Called and cancelled further donations. Said they been bombarded with donation cancellations

Governor = 1-609-292-6000 Left voicemail

 

[R1766U]

Patt Hobbs’ = 732-445-8610 ad@scarletknights.com Left voice mail

Baumgartner = sbaumgartner@scarletknights.com

Barchi = 848-932-7454 Very nice lady answers and forwarding each concern

R Fund = 848-932-8514 Called and canceled further donations. Said they been bombarded with donation cancellations

Governor = 1-609-292-6000 Left voicemail


Just called all four- Governors office, RFund and AD are voicemails. Secretary for Barchi apologized that she is losing her voice from answering so many calls. Keep it up.

 

[RU848789]

Patt Hobbs’ = 732-445-8610 ad@scarletknights.com Left voice mail

Baumgartner = sbaumgartner@scarletknights.com

Barchi = 848-932-7454 Very nice lady answers and forwarding each concern

R Fund = 848-932-8514 Called and cancelled further donations. Said they been bombarded with donation cancellations

Governor = 1-609-292-6000 Left voicemail

Just called them all. Yes, a very nice woman is answering the phone for Barchi's office. I chuckled at the start and said something like sorry to bother you, but I'm calling about the Schiano situation, which I'm sure you're getting tons of calls on and she laughed and said "oh yeah." She patiently listened to me for 1-2 minutes, as I rehashed my brief summary of my input on all of this and said she would pass them along. The AD's office # says the "mailbox is full." No shit.

 

[jerzeyguy]

Oh my God. We got clowns calling the Governor [roll]