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We have a lot of things that are recruiting related....it starts and ends there.

It comes down to whether or not a team has a complete roster of guards that can do basic things in a well rounded way.

MOST guards have basic fundamentals that show up on tape immediately, RU just hasn't targeted and landed many complete guards out of HS. We have landed TWO complete guards out of HS in the Pike Era...

Geo Baker
Dylan Harper

Before fans go crazy, in theory, Jacob Young and Cam Spencer were transfers into the program and Young sat out with a redshirt season arriving from Texas and he took about half of his 1st season before adjustments were made. Even Young, was a high turnover guard, so he borders on being incomplete.....Spencer was more robotic, but fundamentals were 10 of 10, even though he never improved in terms of scoring off the dribble (his brother Pat is much more sound in this way).

Here are the basic fundamentals missing or that make a complete guard.

A) Dribble effectively left or right (sounds silly, but most guards are only effective going to their strong hand)

B) Able to create their own shot, without needing screens.

C) Can Dribble, pass, shoot, score and take jump shots off 1 Dribble or with a catch and shoot.

D( Able to defend, rebound and have some size or arm length.

If you go back through the HS recruiting, it's not the most talented or athletic players that are effective, it's the guards that are fundamentally sound.

Geo Baker, widely criticized by some RU fans, was a B+ or good in almost every fundamentally needed category and is why he is the baseline standard for what RU has not landed in recruiting. He would be the prototype player to play alongside a Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey.

Montez Mathis....checks most boxes, but not an effective Dribble or pass player and not a catch and shoot or 1-2 Dribble into a jump shot. If he was a better guard with an ability to be on the ball, his career would have looked different at RU and St John's. Checked most boxes on defense that could allow him to find minutes.

Paul Mulcahy....more of a passer, definitely not a Dribble into a shot player and not a shooter. Probably the one player with all the fundamentals, except a dribble into a jump shot needed at this level.

Jalen Miller.....not effective height wise on defense and not a shooter or catch and shoot player....could handle the ball, but nowhere near the baseline fundamentals needed at this level of B1G competition.

Jaden Jones.....this one is interesting because in an individual skill set, he had the tools, but he never played within a team concept enough to be impactful. Of all the players with high end talent, he was probably more of a wing, but had all the guard skills......his fatal flaw was an inability to play defense or didnt give himself a chance to improve before departing for a Pro career.

Derek Simpson....probably the closest to a complete guard, just missing the proper shot form, so he could take advantage of all the other skill sets there. He is the CLOSEST to being a complete guard and is now at St Joe's. More combo than point and if you are off the ball, shooting from perimeter is a must have that he hasnt fixed yet.

Gavin Griffiths.....probably not a real.guard, but if we place him in a backcourt, he's not a dribbler or creator of his own shot. More of a wing, than guard.

Dylan Harper.....no holes in his fundamentals, which means he can effectively drive left or right and creative to score. Really no need to discuss, high level player who is still improving and learning while contributing in all phases (scoring passing, rebounding etc).

Now, Jacob Young was complete, except he wasn't a shooter, but COULD shoot, drive amd even if his percentage was not ideal. His high turnovers make him incomplete BUT he is the best of a batch of incomplete guards at RU.

NOW, in terms of this current roster, we see the missing basics of JaMicheal Davis (plus defense, but undersized and not a create his own offense player, not a shooter or player that makes FTs or 3s.....

Tyson Acuff has all the tools you want and is a complete guard in terms of fundamentals.....he is working back from injury, but in terms of being fundamentally sound, he checks every box. He is the baseline level type of player RU has lacked in recruiting out of HS. Even at probably 75 to 80%, he can get you 10PPG in 20 minutes a game, because he has 3 point range and a good FT shooter.

Derkack is a player who can go left or right and just lacks the shooting motion and form to be a complete guard. His shooting or lack or perimeter true shooting, results in him turning down open shots, to then drive to score closer.....which teams are ready for and are taking away that aspect....he is a willing defender.

JWill.....similar to Derkack, not a catch and shoot guard, mostly effective in a 1 or 2 Dribble shot. Does not shoot from 3 in a catch and shoot role. Defense on the ball is a positive most nights.

Why do I think most of this is recruiting?? Because it just simply is an evaluation miss AND in a way, comes down to which guards are close to the Top 50/100/150 range with these fundamentals??

2025 recruiting actually (on tape) fixes ALL of these fundamentally sound misses. Not helping with this season, but ON TAPE, here's what [ see.

Lino Mark.....does everything well, in either direction, willing to create and pass....does have a catch and shoot shot....can create off the Dribble. NOW, I have not seen him live, but his stats in HS show he has hit 3s, so I have to assume that translates to the nezt level.

Kaden Powers.....actually the closest thing I have seen to being fundamentally sound on tape.....Dribble, pass, shoot, score and 6'5 with arm length.....he does play a step or 2 slower on tape, but I will take a fundamentally sound player, who is in position most times. He looks like a player who just needs to get minutes and adjust to the speed of college level. Definitely a catch and shoot and 1-2 Dribble shoot/score player.

2025 prospect, Keshawn Fisher.....a replica of Kaden Powers, just a step faster. Really more of a wing, but tape shows basic fundamentals. I would need to see his 3 point shooting at next level, but tape looks sound. Definitely a must take ASAP in my opinion, he can be taught the defense necessary.

2026 Guard prospect Aiden Derkack shows the groundwork or fundamentals, he should be fine at this level, he is a dribble, pass and shot creator as well.

I know it sounds like it's a coaching issue, but you cannot build ANY offense if your players cannot do basic things. Purdue or Wisconsin are just programs who recruit fundamentally sound guards and that wins games, as long as those players are reasonable on the defensive end.

The portal can fix this, but the problem with this is every player (Martini, Hayes, Derkack) all lack basic fundamentals of Dribble, pass, ahoot on their own without a screen, defend, rebound.....and departed players also had these holes (Mag, Simpson Griffiths).

If we land Keshawn Fisher in 2025 and Chros Nwuli is able to work on his jumper and handle, we will have a complete class to go with Grant, Dortch and Sommerville.

The one 2025 recruit that shows these basics on a front court level, is Gevonte Ware, but he is like most bigs....they are sometimes bad FT shooters, so that bears watching on if that can be corrected. He has tape that shows basics in either hand and some upside as a role player off the bench that needs some time to develop.

The recruiting item on Bryce Dortch, the only playee we have not seen, is hes not a catch and shoot wing or PF, but he has the other fundamentals on defense, rebounding and can handle the ball. I am 100% certain he can help this year. He has HS tape of him hitting corner 3s, but as a prospect, he should immediately help with offensive and defense/rebounding. This redshirt IMO along with sitting on Grant is probably worth 10PPG combined on both ends of the floor.

In terms of Dylan Grant, still a work in progress, but basic fundamentals show signs of a player. Not sure he is a go left and go right player, but he checks a lot of boxes and is working on his shot. Hitting an occasional 3, really places him into a place that can allow him to play, because his size and defense can be taught.

Its really more the guard misses in the last 4 classes. If Acuff can stay steady, he becomes a 20 to 25 minutes a game player and once Harper is 100%, there's still something to build around.....but it's impossible to solve the other 3 guards fatal flaws in my opinion (JMike, JWill and Derkack) and all 3 have the same holes (lack of shooting).
 
No one can dribble.

I see the “no sound handle” as an issue from top to bottom at every position.

That includes Ace!
The last thing i expected from GG last year was a 6-8 sharp shooter with no ability to put the ball on the floor.

We have an entire team of bad hands, bad handles, with the exception of Dylan, who unfortunately has been nothing but a spectator for 4 straight games due to illness
 
No one can dribble.

I see the “no sound handle” as an issue from top to bottom at every position.

That includes Ace!
The last thing i expected from GG last year was a 6-8 sharp shooter with no ability to put the ball on
It’s usually the guard play that makes the difference particularly down the stretch. We have one big ten caliber guard and he’s a freshman plus he is currently a shell of his normal self.
 
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Its always next years recruits that will be the saviors. You got to be kidding me
It’s difficult for me to imagine the best option for Ace isn’t to stay another year in school.

He’s not remotely ready for the NBA and hasn’t learned a thing here.

He would do himself a great favor going somewhere with complementary players and a fundamentals driven coaching staff.

Will Lathan and Grant stay?
Are JWill and JMike our point guards?
Derdack?

Does anyone have some upside news about our team next year
 
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It’s difficult for me to imagine the best option for Ace isn’t to stay another year in school.

He’s not remotely ready for the NBA and hasn’t learned a thing here.

He would do himself a great favor going somewhere with complementary players and a fundamentals driven coaching staff.

Will Lathan and Grant stay?
Are JWill and JMike our point guards?
Derdack?

Does anyone have some upside news about our team next year

He's not supposed to be ready for the NBA at 18.
He'd being drafted for what he could be at 24-30 years old.

The moment he leaves Rutgers he'll be with a team and staff and system that has him for multiple years and will work on developing his game and not just winning immediately.
 
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It’s difficult for me to imagine the best option for Ace isn’t to stay another year in school.

He’s not remotely ready for the NBA and hasn’t learned a thing here.

He would do himself a great favor going somewhere with complementary players and a fundamentals driven coaching staff.
I was thinking last night that if his stock drops any further it could be a blessing in disguise for next season. Sadly though, I didn't consider he has other options in the portal... ☹️
 
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I was thinking last night that if his stock drops any further it could be a blessing in disguise for next season. Sadly though, I didn't consider he has other options in the portal... ☹️

When a few people kept saying "What if Dylan and Ace stay a 2nd year? Is it possible?"

I (correctly) pointed out that them staying was the absolute worst case scenario.
Because it meant the team completely failed.
 
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It’s difficult for me to imagine the best option for Ace isn’t to stay another year in school.

He’s not remotely ready for the NBA and hasn’t learned a thing here.

He would do himself a great favor going somewhere with complementary players and a fundamentals driven coaching staff.

Will Lathan and Grant stay?
Are JWill and JMike our point guards?
Derdack?

Does anyone have some upside news about our team next year
Ace will not be here next year - that's as sure as death and taxes. Everything I see says he is going to be a top pick in the draft, so no way he's going anywhere but the NBA. I agree that his game today is far from NBA ready. He will be drafted on his potential and his size. I would not be shocked at all if he does not work out in the NBA - he is raw and has a ton to learn. But you can't teach 6'10 athleticism who can also shoot. Kid won the genetics lottery - now the real work starts.
 
UCONN or Duke would be great options for Ace. Make another $1-2MM and make a run at the overall #1 pick the following year.
 
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He's not supposed to be ready for the NBA at 18.
He'd being drafted for what he could be at 24-30 years old.

The moment he leaves Rutgers he'll be with a team and staff and system that has him for multiple years and will work on developing his game and not just winning immediately.
Okay, where does he play the game at game speed for 4 years while he’s learning?
It’s definitely not practice or scrimmaging…

Can he play G league, I’m clueless about the rules and system.
 
Okay, where does he play the game at game speed for 4 years while he’s learning?
It’s definitely not practice or scrimmaging…

In the NBA. He'll play 25mpg next year as a reserve.
He won't be asked to carry the team and do everything like here.

He will play with better complementary players and better coaches than college.
Exactly what you proposed.
 
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UCONN or Duke would be great options for Ace. Make another $1-2MM and make a run at the overall #1 pick the following year.
Not that he will do it, but Ace would benefit greatly from playing for a coach that will teach him and hold him accountable. Uconn and Duke are two great examples. Alabama and Oates would be another.
 
UCONN or Duke would be great options for Ace. Make another $1-2MM and make a run at the overall #1 pick the following year.

I did the math last year (for Filipowski) but this is the worst decision possible for him.

He would be giving up a huge amount of money.
Not just from the salary next year but it puts him one year further away from a huge 2nd NBA salary.
 
We have a lot of things that are recruiting related....it starts and ends there.

It comes down to whether or not a team has a complete roster of guards that can do basic things in a well rounded way.

MOST guards have basic fundamentals that show up on tape immediately, RU just hasn't targeted and landed many complete guards out of HS. We have landed TWO complete guards out of HS in the Pike Era...

Geo Baker
Dylan Harper

Before fans go crazy, in theory, Jacob Young and Cam Spencer were transfers into the program and Young sat out with a redshirt season arriving from Texas and he took about half of his 1st season before adjustments were made. Even Young, was a high turnover guard, so he borders on being incomplete.....Spencer was more robotic, but fundamentals were 10 of 10, even though he never improved in terms of scoring off the dribble (his brother Pat is much more sound in this way).

Here are the basic fundamentals missing or that make a complete guard.

A) Dribble effectively left or right (sounds silly, but most guards are only effective going to their strong hand)

B) Able to create their own shot, without needing screens.

C) Can Dribble, pass, shoot, score and take jump shots off 1 Dribble or with a catch and shoot.

D( Able to defend, rebound and have some size or arm length.

If you go back through the HS recruiting, it's not the most talented or athletic players that are effective, it's the guards that are fundamentally sound.

Geo Baker, widely criticized by some RU fans, was a B+ or good in almost every fundamentally needed category and is why he is the baseline standard for what RU has not landed in recruiting. He would be the prototype player to play alongside a Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey.

Montez Mathis....checks most boxes, but not an effective Dribble or pass player and not a catch and shoot or 1-2 Dribble into a jump shot. If he was a better guard with an ability to be on the ball, his career would have looked different at RU and St John's. Checked most boxes on defense that could allow him to find minutes.

Paul Mulcahy....more of a passer, definitely not a Dribble into a shot player and not a shooter. Probably the one player with all the fundamentals, except a dribble into a jump shot needed at this level.

Jalen Miller.....not effective height wise on defense and not a shooter or catch and shoot player....could handle the ball, but nowhere near the baseline fundamentals needed at this level of B1G competition.

Jaden Jones.....this one is interesting because in an individual skill set, he had the tools, but he never played within a team concept enough to be impactful. Of all the players with high end talent, he was probably more of a wing, but had all the guard skills......his fatal flaw was an inability to play defense or didnt give himself a chance to improve before departing for a Pro career.

Derek Simpson....probably the closest to a complete guard, just missing the proper shot form, so he could take advantage of all the other skill sets there. He is the CLOSEST to being a complete guard and is now at St Joe's. More combo than point and if you are off the ball, shooting from perimeter is a must have that he hasnt fixed yet.

Gavin Griffiths.....probably not a real.guard, but if we place him in a backcourt, he's not a dribbler or creator of his own shot. More of a wing, than guard.

Dylan Harper.....no holes in his fundamentals, which means he can effectively drive left or right and creative to score. Really no need to discuss, high level player who is still improving and learning while contributing in all phases (scoring passing, rebounding etc).

Now, Jacob Young was complete, except he wasn't a shooter, but COULD shoot, drive amd even if his percentage was not ideal. His high turnovers make him incomplete BUT he is the best of a batch of incomplete guards at RU.

NOW, in terms of this current roster, we see the missing basics of JaMicheal Davis (plus defense, but undersized and not a create his own offense player, not a shooter or player that makes FTs or 3s.....

Tyson Acuff has all the tools you want and is a complete guard in terms of fundamentals.....he is working back from injury, but in terms of being fundamentally sound, he checks every box. He is the baseline level type of player RU has lacked in recruiting out of HS. Even at probably 75 to 80%, he can get you 10PPG in 20 minutes a game, because he has 3 point range and a good FT shooter.

Derkack is a player who can go left or right and just lacks the shooting motion and form to be a complete guard. His shooting or lack or perimeter true shooting, results in him turning down open shots, to then drive to score closer.....which teams are ready for and are taking away that aspect....he is a willing defender.

JWill.....similar to Derkack, not a catch and shoot guard, mostly effective in a 1 or 2 Dribble shot. Does not shoot from 3 in a catch and shoot role. Defense on the ball is a positive most nights.

Why do I think most of this is recruiting?? Because it just simply is an evaluation miss AND in a way, comes down to which guards are close to the Top 50/100/150 range with these fundamentals??

2025 recruiting actually (on tape) fixes ALL of these fundamentally sound misses. Not helping with this season, but ON TAPE, here's what [ see.

Lino Mark.....does everything well, in either direction, willing to create and pass....does have a catch and shoot shot....can create off the Dribble. NOW, I have not seen him live, but his stats in HS show he has hit 3s, so I have to assume that translates to the nezt level.

Kaden Powers.....actually the closest thing I have seen to being fundamentally sound on tape.....Dribble, pass, shoot, score and 6'5 with arm length.....he does play a step or 2 slower on tape, but I will take a fundamentally sound player, who is in position most times. He looks like a player who just needs to get minutes and adjust to the speed of college level. Definitely a catch and shoot and 1-2 Dribble shoot/score player.

2025 prospect, Keshawn Fisher.....a replica of Kaden Powers, just a step faster. Really more of a wing, but tape shows basic fundamentals. I would need to see his 3 point shooting at next level, but tape looks sound. Definitely a must take ASAP in my opinion, he can be taught the defense necessary.

2026 Guard prospect Aiden Derkack shows the groundwork or fundamentals, he should be fine at this level, he is a dribble, pass and shot creator as well.

I know it sounds like it's a coaching issue, but you cannot build ANY offense if your players cannot do basic things. Purdue or Wisconsin are just programs who recruit fundamentally sound guards and that wins games, as long as those players are reasonable on the defensive end.

The portal can fix this, but the problem with this is every player (Martini, Hayes, Derkack) all lack basic fundamentals of Dribble, pass, ahoot on their own without a screen, defend, rebound.....and departed players also had these holes (Mag, Simpson Griffiths).

If we land Keshawn Fisher in 2025 and Chros Nwuli is able to work on his jumper and handle, we will have a complete class to go with Grant, Dortch and Sommerville.

The one 2025 recruit that shows these basics on a front court level, is Gevonte Ware, but he is like most bigs....they are sometimes bad FT shooters, so that bears watching on if that can be corrected. He has tape that shows basics in either hand and some upside as a role player off the bench that needs some time to develop.

The recruiting item on Bryce Dortch, the only playee we have not seen, is hes not a catch and shoot wing or PF, but he has the other fundamentals on defense, rebounding and can handle the ball. I am 100% certain he can help this year. He has HS tape of him hitting corner 3s, but as a prospect, he should immediately help with offensive and defense/rebounding. This redshirt IMO along with sitting on Grant is probably worth 10PPG combined on both ends of the floor.

In terms of Dylan Grant, still a work in progress, but basic fundamentals show signs of a player. Not sure he is a go left and go right player, but he checks a lot of boxes and is working on his shot. Hitting an occasional 3, really places him into a place that can allow him to play, because his size and defense can be taught.

Its really more the guard misses in the last 4 classes. If Acuff can stay steady, he becomes a 20 to 25 minutes a game player and once Harper is 100%, there's still something to build around.....but it's impossible to solve the other 3 guards fatal flaws in my opinion (JMike, JWill and Derkack) and all 3 have the same holes (lack of shooting).
Remember after last game you wrote we were going to win "5 in a row or 7 of 9 and that the wins would come"
 
Okay, where does he play the game at game speed for 4 years while he’s learning?
It’s definitely not practice or scrimmaging…

Can he play G league, I’m clueless about the rules and system.
Ace is ready for the NBA on Day 1. Right now his best asset is a catch and shoot perimeter scorer who has a quick release. Fits right in with the NBA. On defense his length will help him close out on shooters (in theory)

Different era but he is like Glen Rice in my eyes.
 
He has no handle or BB IQ… but ok

Ok. If this it true:

Why would another year in college (restricted time with coaches, deal with classes, lesser talented teammates and coaching/staff/facilities) provide better development path than as a professional in the best league in the world (better facilities, coaching, support staff, funding)?

Not to mention the additional money he’ll have to hire and work on his development his own outside of the NBA team structure.
 
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UCONN or Duke would be great options for Ace. Make another $1-2MM and make a run at the overall #1 pick the following year.
LOL. He has almost nothing to gain and a lot to lose (possibly dropping in draft) by playing another year of CBB.
 
In the NBA. He'll play 25mpg next year as a reserve.
He won't be asked to carry the team and do everything like here.

He will play with better complementary players and better coaches than college.
Exactly what you proposed.
Better complimentary players OK. Better coaches, nope. Very few of them are ever successful coaching in the college ranks where way more actual coaching takes place, except in Rutgers case.
 
Interesting comments on this thread.

Ace has talent and skills, but as some have pointed out he is lacking a complete game.

Does anyone seriously think that an NBA franchise is going to use a lottery pick to "develop" him for the next few years to get an ROI ?

How long do you think Ace would last under Danny Hurley " in his face" coaching style?

One could conclude that Ace has had coaches like Pike ( unfortunately) that have coddled and tolerated his style for too long. ( Dylan on the other hand had the benefit on Ron Sr, where that shite don't flush)

I don't know what the solution for Ace is, the G league ? another year in college? But I do agree with those who don't think he is NBA ready
 
We have a lot of things that are recruiting related....it starts and ends there.

It comes down to whether or not a team has a complete roster of guards that can do basic things in a well rounded way.

MOST guards have basic fundamentals that show up on tape immediately, RU just hasn't targeted and landed many complete guards out of HS. We have landed TWO complete guards out of HS in the Pike Era...

Geo Baker
Dylan Harper

Before fans go crazy, in theory, Jacob Young and Cam Spencer were transfers into the program and Young sat out with a redshirt season arriving from Texas and he took about half of his 1st season before adjustments were made. Even Young, was a high turnover guard, so he borders on being incomplete.....Spencer was more robotic, but fundamentals were 10 of 10, even though he never improved in terms of scoring off the dribble (his brother Pat is much more sound in this way).

Here are the basic fundamentals missing or that make a complete guard.

A) Dribble effectively left or right (sounds silly, but most guards are only effective going to their strong hand)

B) Able to create their own shot, without needing screens.

C) Can Dribble, pass, shoot, score and take jump shots off 1 Dribble or with a catch and shoot.

D( Able to defend, rebound and have some size or arm length.

If you go back through the HS recruiting, it's not the most talented or athletic players that are effective, it's the guards that are fundamentally sound.

Geo Baker, widely criticized by some RU fans, was a B+ or good in almost every fundamentally needed category and is why he is the baseline standard for what RU has not landed in recruiting. He would be the prototype player to play alongside a Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey.

Montez Mathis....checks most boxes, but not an effective Dribble or pass player and not a catch and shoot or 1-2 Dribble into a jump shot. If he was a better guard with an ability to be on the ball, his career would have looked different at RU and St John's. Checked most boxes on defense that could allow him to find minutes.

Paul Mulcahy....more of a passer, definitely not a Dribble into a shot player and not a shooter. Probably the one player with all the fundamentals, except a dribble into a jump shot needed at this level.

Jalen Miller.....not effective height wise on defense and not a shooter or catch and shoot player....could handle the ball, but nowhere near the baseline fundamentals needed at this level of B1G competition.

Jaden Jones.....this one is interesting because in an individual skill set, he had the tools, but he never played within a team concept enough to be impactful. Of all the players with high end talent, he was probably more of a wing, but had all the guard skills......his fatal flaw was an inability to play defense or didnt give himself a chance to improve before departing for a Pro career.

Derek Simpson....probably the closest to a complete guard, just missing the proper shot form, so he could take advantage of all the other skill sets there. He is the CLOSEST to being a complete guard and is now at St Joe's. More combo than point and if you are off the ball, shooting from perimeter is a must have that he hasnt fixed yet.

Gavin Griffiths.....probably not a real.guard, but if we place him in a backcourt, he's not a dribbler or creator of his own shot. More of a wing, than guard.

Dylan Harper.....no holes in his fundamentals, which means he can effectively drive left or right and creative to score. Really no need to discuss, high level player who is still improving and learning while contributing in all phases (scoring passing, rebounding etc).

Now, Jacob Young was complete, except he wasn't a shooter, but COULD shoot, drive amd even if his percentage was not ideal. His high turnovers make him incomplete BUT he is the best of a batch of incomplete guards at RU.

NOW, in terms of this current roster, we see the missing basics of JaMicheal Davis (plus defense, but undersized and not a create his own offense player, not a shooter or player that makes FTs or 3s.....

Tyson Acuff has all the tools you want and is a complete guard in terms of fundamentals.....he is working back from injury, but in terms of being fundamentally sound, he checks every box. He is the baseline level type of player RU has lacked in recruiting out of HS. Even at probably 75 to 80%, he can get you 10PPG in 20 minutes a game, because he has 3 point range and a good FT shooter.

Derkack is a player who can go left or right and just lacks the shooting motion and form to be a complete guard. His shooting or lack or perimeter true shooting, results in him turning down open shots, to then drive to score closer.....which teams are ready for and are taking away that aspect....he is a willing defender.

JWill.....similar to Derkack, not a catch and shoot guard, mostly effective in a 1 or 2 Dribble shot. Does not shoot from 3 in a catch and shoot role. Defense on the ball is a positive most nights.

Why do I think most of this is recruiting?? Because it just simply is an evaluation miss AND in a way, comes down to which guards are close to the Top 50/100/150 range with these fundamentals??

2025 recruiting actually (on tape) fixes ALL of these fundamentally sound misses. Not helping with this season, but ON TAPE, here's what [ see.

Lino Mark.....does everything well, in either direction, willing to create and pass....does have a catch and shoot shot....can create off the Dribble. NOW, I have not seen him live, but his stats in HS show he has hit 3s, so I have to assume that translates to the nezt level.

Kaden Powers.....actually the closest thing I have seen to being fundamentally sound on tape.....Dribble, pass, shoot, score and 6'5 with arm length.....he does play a step or 2 slower on tape, but I will take a fundamentally sound player, who is in position most times. He looks like a player who just needs to get minutes and adjust to the speed of college level. Definitely a catch and shoot and 1-2 Dribble shoot/score player.

2025 prospect, Keshawn Fisher.....a replica of Kaden Powers, just a step faster. Really more of a wing, but tape shows basic fundamentals. I would need to see his 3 point shooting at next level, but tape looks sound. Definitely a must take ASAP in my opinion, he can be taught the defense necessary.

2026 Guard prospect Aiden Derkack shows the groundwork or fundamentals, he should be fine at this level, he is a dribble, pass and shot creator as well.

I know it sounds like it's a coaching issue, but you cannot build ANY offense if your players cannot do basic things. Purdue or Wisconsin are just programs who recruit fundamentally sound guards and that wins games, as long as those players are reasonable on the defensive end.

The portal can fix this, but the problem with this is every player (Martini, Hayes, Derkack) all lack basic fundamentals of Dribble, pass, ahoot on their own without a screen, defend, rebound.....and departed players also had these holes (Mag, Simpson Griffiths).

If we land Keshawn Fisher in 2025 and Chros Nwuli is able to work on his jumper and handle, we will have a complete class to go with Grant, Dortch and Sommerville.

The one 2025 recruit that shows these basics on a front court level, is Gevonte Ware, but he is like most bigs....they are sometimes bad FT shooters, so that bears watching on if that can be corrected. He has tape that shows basics in either hand and some upside as a role player off the bench that needs some time to develop.

The recruiting item on Bryce Dortch, the only playee we have not seen, is hes not a catch and shoot wing or PF, but he has the other fundamentals on defense, rebounding and can handle the ball. I am 100% certain he can help this year. He has HS tape of him hitting corner 3s, but as a prospect, he should immediately help with offensive and defense/rebounding. This redshirt IMO along with sitting on Grant is probably worth 10PPG combined on both ends of the floor.

In terms of Dylan Grant, still a work in progress, but basic fundamentals show signs of a player. Not sure he is a go left and go right player, but he checks a lot of boxes and is working on his shot. Hitting an occasional 3, really places him into a place that can allow him to play, because his size and defense can be taught.

Its really more the guard misses in the last 4 classes. If Acuff can stay steady, he becomes a 20 to 25 minutes a game player and once Harper is 100%, there's still something to build around.....but it's impossible to solve the other 3 guards fatal flaws in my opinion (JMike, JWill and Derkack) and all 3 have the same holes (lack of shooting).
Spot on Hawk. Guard play is the engine that drives an offense and fundamentals are the foundation. Good guard play the engine hums, bad play it stalls. Last night, especially with a still recovering Harper, the stark difference in guards was on full display. Outside of Harper, even St Peters, Monmouth and Merrimac seemed to have better overall guard play.
 
RU won’t win anything next year relying on Freshman guard play. College basketball is now an age sport. 22/23 year old men with experience win vs 17/18 year old kids. A senior big man and senior guards that can score have to be brought in, every year, in this new era
 
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RU won’t win anything next year relying on Freshman guard play. College basketball is now an age sport. 22/23 year old men with experience win vs 17/18 year old kids. A senior big man and senior guards that can score have to be brought in, every year, in this new era
Purdue's guards are juniors but they've been starting since freshman year. They have made the NCAA's every year, including their freshman year. We've brought in grad transfer guards that weren't good. Less to do about age than ability and skills.
 
In the NBA. He'll play 25mpg next year as a reserve.
He won't be asked to carry the team and do everything like here.
Honestly, right now, wit his handle level, NBA defenders would take him out of the game.

Dylan doesnt need another year.

Ace most definitely does and it would prolong his NBA career. So many NBA stories of guys getting a shot before they are ready, and then when it doesnt click immediately, the NBA moves on to the next thing. NIL is made for Ace-can get paid AND get that bigger contract next year.
 
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RU won’t win anything next year relying on Freshman guard play. College basketball is now an age sport. 22/23 year old men with experience win vs 17/18 year old kids. A senior big man and senior guards that can score have to be brought in, every year, in this new era

Exactly..there is no savior coing from the freshmen class next year. We need experienced high level starters
 
Amazing that every year @NewJerseyHawk points to how everything will be fixed the following year. He literally is a broken record. And every year he is wrong.

Remember when he said last years team was deeper at every position then the priors years team.

Just epic whiffs.
This...he pushed Derek and J Will as phenoms and basically said Mag and Mulchay were negative players. Id take those latter 2 back even with both of their issues that final year

Now Grant and Dorsch are potential saviors
 
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LOL. He has almost nothing to gain and a lot to lose (possibly dropping in draft) by playing another year of CBB.

You guys are right assuming his top 5 status still holds but if he starts slipping then it may not be as crazy as you think.
 
You guys are right assuming his top 5 status still holds but if he starts slipping then it may not be as crazy as you think.

Perhaps. But he hasn't slipped. So its all speculation.
Nobody saying he needs to return has actually cited anything where he has slipped.

He's still #3 as of yesterday behind Flagg and Dylan.



 
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Better complimentary players OK. Better coaches, nope. Very few of them are ever successful coaching in the college ranks where way more actual coaching takes place, except in Rutgers case.

Do you think our current staff is telling Ace where is shooting percentages are and are not good?
Do you think they are telling him "you shoot better from the left wing than the right side so take that shot? (Hypothetical)

What analytic analsis on his game do think he's getting?
 
You guys thinking Ace should stay in school for another year, need to recognize that this is the worst coaching he will ever receive in his life. He won’t be penalized because the team he plays for runs a dog crap offense that doesn’t get him open or anyone around home open looks, thus allowing teams to double him with ease.
 
You guys thinking Ace should stay in school for another year, need to recognize that this is the worst coaching he will ever receive in his life. He won’t be penalized because the team he plays for runs a dog crap offense that doesn’t get him open or anyone around home open looks, thus allowing teams to double him with ease.
Coaching problem that allows the stagnant offense with EVERY player standing around waiting for the ball.
Look at the massive amount of movement off the ball that Purdue and Wisconsin had. You play a team like ours that lacks defensive awareness it will eventually break you down with the constant switching and assignments.
It’s exactly what we should be doing against teams yet the ineptitude of our coaches to understand this is baffling.
If Knight is truly running our offense we have a lack of accountability by Pike there and nothing has changed over the tenure if all his teams on that side of the ball. We are lucky this year having 50% of our scoring coming from our stars but it’s weak in total. I would move on from knight first thing irrespective of his ability to recruit or have relieve him of offense duties.
I’m sure he gets extremely well and for that money we can find a better offensive minded coach.
 
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