I would be inclined to guess that many other schools, especially in the SEC, do not outright prohibit any contact between coaches and the professors. Here is an interesting topic for the Star Ledger staff to investigate for their readers. Perhaps this does not advance their agenda, but I think it is certainly a question that many of their readers would like answered. I know I would. So come on Ledger guys.... get on it for us !!
Is contact with academic staff prohibited at other p5 schools?
- Thread starter RUnion
- Start date
Here it is, straight from the Alabama page: "The Department of Athletics has a strict policy prohibiting coaching staff members from contacting university faculty. This includes, but is not limited to, facilitating the registration and enrollment of prospective or currently enrolled student-athletes and checking on the academic progress of student-athletes. These activities must be conducted through the academic department liaisons in Academic Services and the Compliance Office. Any faculty member who is approached by a coach should notify the Department of Athletics."
http://www.rolltide.com/genrel/030403aaa.html
http://www.rolltide.com/genrel/030403aaa.html
The report mentions that RU's policy is in line with that of the Big Ten. It's hard to imagine that this isn't in place at most schools, there's just too much room for shenanigans if the coaches are talking to the professors about students.
I doubt many people really care other then people on this board. It is a common practice among P5 schools especially because they have large academic support teams. .
In the ESPN article it sure sounds like Penn States Head coach has likely spoken to professors in the past.
He avoided answering the question when asked. I take that as meaning an affirmative !!
"So, Franklin was asked, had he ever contacted a student's professor during those 20 years?
"I'm focused on Penn State and preparing the game for Saturday," he said, before moving on to the next question."
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post...enn-state-not-focusing-on-rutgers-controversy
He avoided answering the question when asked. I take that as meaning an affirmative !!
"So, Franklin was asked, had he ever contacted a student's professor during those 20 years?
"I'm focused on Penn State and preparing the game for Saturday," he said, before moving on to the next question."
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post...enn-state-not-focusing-on-rutgers-controversy
DiNardo said the other night on the Big Ten Network said it was OK when he coached (he didn't mention which school). I know he coached at LSU,but not sure where else.
I'm not sure now is the time to compare ourselves to others in an attempt to try to prove something.
Even if no other school had this policy, Rutgers did, Kyle Flood knowingly circumvented it, and got caught.
Even if no other school had this policy, Rutgers did, Kyle Flood knowingly circumvented it, and got caught.
Regardless, it is relevant to understand as Rutgers continuously breaks its own arm so it can fight with one hand behind its back.
I agree with both sides on this -
1) Flood knowingly and willing broke a University rule, so he should face the consequences for his actions.
2) What the hell is Rutgers doing putting extra rules in place beyond what is SOP at the majority of P5 schools? It's already hard enough to win here.
1) Flood knowingly and willing broke a University rule, so he should face the consequences for his actions.
2) What the hell is Rutgers doing putting extra rules in place beyond what is SOP at the majority of P5 schools? It's already hard enough to win here.
"Other people do it" is the new "man of integrity" for the few deranged people who think Flood should still coach here.
Looks like Not agrees to that this whole administration are weenies too, since they didn't fire him.
It's the Rutgers way. When an anonymous letter opens an investigation on a coach (that actually happened), you have no chance competing at high levels.
Some said it best. Be happy with mediocrity. It is Rutgers ceiling for the foreseeable future.
Then go root for Tony Kornheiser U. It sounds like his academic standards align with yours better than Rutgers' does.
Whoa. I never said I agree or disagree with this specific rule, just said that it is dumb to have rules in your AD that are not in line with the rules at the majority of other P5 schools no matter what that rule is. College sports are the marketing and fundraising arm of the school period. To pretend they are more than that or to pretend that a school fields a P5 football team for any reason other than that is silly and out of step with reality.
Considering people are claiming we are small-time for having such a rule, if it's good enough for the Crimson Tide, a team that has one 3 national titles in the past 7 years, it's good enough for me.
According to the investigation report, policies designed to prevent coaches from trying to influence grades to keep athletes eligible (which was the purpose of Flood contacting the professor) is common, and is part of the Big Ten standards
Number 2 sounds like opinion rather than fact. you don't know what you don't know. too many people here don't get that.
It seems that it isnt an extra rule. Alabama has it for example. Its seems the extra is the fact that someone at RU actually cared enough to report it.
Its a common sense rule, especially in the era of massive academic support staffs that can do everything the coach can (except intimidate). And most schools likely treat it as it should be treated - basically ignore it (as RU seems to have done up until now), except if a coach is actually accused of intimidating a professor, then you might see someone wheel it out. But it seems like Flood was going above and beyond what would be considered the normal level of contact.
Its like speeding. Everyone speeds. Some people speed excessively. And even then alot of cops will let it slide. But when you get caught - everyone does it ends up being a useless excuse. I just saw a dude drive by hear at 90 and you didnt pull him over is a useless excuse.
UNC obviously has a no contact policy, because they had Deans and tenured professors that falsified programs and even a college for the past 2 decades to take care of UNC Athletes.
That's where Alabama has a safe-guard to make sure that info runs into a dead-end.
That statement should read:
Any faculty member who is approached by a coach should notify the University Provost or VP of Academic Affairs and in no way, should that info be reported directly to anyone in the Department of Athletics."
Do you think there is a chance in hell that a teacher at Alabama can make a starter ineligible?
I could be wrong, but from what I have seen on this message board, RU does not outright prohibit contact, but uses the word "should". Should does not mean "can't". It is like saying that someone should not go in the rain without an umbrella, rather than saying that going in the rain without an umbrella is prohibited.
It's clear that the Rutgers policy is the B1G's policy, and Rutgers ought to be following the B1G's policy. And even if others dodge the policy, Rutgers ought not try to do that.
Well we cancelled our ledger subscription a few years back. And since everyone is afraid to link nj.com Articles on this forum I guess I missed it. Was it part of another article?
because having a no-contact policy is essential in maintaining academic integrity. Otherwise the athletic department is controlling the grades that athletes get.
Here is the NCAA's policy against contact by a coach:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/lasa/genrel/auto_pdf/facstaff-involvement.pdf
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/lasa/genrel/auto_pdf/facstaff-involvement.pdf
Seems pretty crystal freaking clear.
Coaching staff members should not be contacting university faculty regarding the academic progress or standing of a enrolled student-athlete. This prohibition extends to the registration and enrollment of prospective or currently enrolled student-athletes. These activities must be conducted through the Office of Academic Support for Student-Athletes and the Compliance Office. Any faculty member who is approached by a coach should notify the Department of Athletics.
What a buffoon.
That is an overestimation. I believe there is a lot of area in between not talking to professors at all and talking to them with the idea to control the grade an athlete receives.
I believe coaches, whether the head coach or otherwise, should talk to professors. I don't differentiate between an academic support person who is likely viewed as part of the program, and a coach.
The PDF you posted is the LaSalle policy, which includes an interpretation of the NCAA rules. This is not the NCAA policy.
I hope Coach Flood is here a long time. I said nothing about "other people do it". I think he broke the rules, and I am OK with the punishment. I do not think he is a saint, but I still think he is a person of high character. That is based on the repeated testimonials from those who have actual contact with the man.
No one is honorable 100% of the time, so I don't have any problem thinking he has more integrity than many people.
