Is the B10 considering adding Uconn ?(or B12) Article

[ruthetiger]

If anything the BT will add UVA and another mid to southwestern school connected to Nebraska. It could very well be Kansas or perhaps Oklahoma which has a very good AD compared to uconn, and their basketball programs are always competitive. The 3Rd most popular sport in the conference is wrestling. Nobody watches wbb much, and all other sports are not really that popular, and that includes baseball; they do have a following but that's about it.

I think on the uconn board they mention us having to be not good at ANY sport, which is absolutely mind boggling from their end.

 

[e5fdny]

If anything the BT will add UVA and another mid to southwestern school connected to Nebraska. It could very well be Kansas or perhaps Oklahoma which has a very good AD compared to uconn, and their basketball programs are always competitive. The 3Rd most popular sport in the conference is wrestling. Nobody watches wbb much, and all other sports are not really that popular, and that includes baseball; they do have a following but that's about it.

I think on the uconn board they mention us having to be not good at ANY sport, which is absolutely mind boggling from their end.

If it happens, that's how it will happen.

 

[NickyNewark51]

You have one of them right. ;)

probably Va and UConn..

 

[NickyNewark51]

Close to AAU? Says who? Them?

They're not even close according to the figures that count....the amount of federal grant money they bring in.

I can almost bet the house they won't be in the Big Ten, let alone in less than 5 years.

better than trying to lock them out or giving them to the ACC...Delany did say east didn't he....who do you think he mean't ....UMass..

 

[e5fdny]

probably Va and UConn..

Nope.

One from column A and one from column B.

 

[RutgersROB]

I am just happy we are in. The wins will come

 

[NickyNewark51]

If it happens, that's how it will happen.

I'm not concerned about what there fans say or think....we know their envious and after the way the ACC blew them off there shellshocked...i'm just talking about who makes sense locking down the northeast..to Maine..

 

[BuggsyRU]

better than trying to lock them out or giving them to the ACC...Delany did say east didn't he....who do you think he mean't ....UMass..

No not UMass, he most definitely is looking at Virginia or North Caarolina if he is looking east.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Nope.

One from column A and one from column B.

I suspect 1 east and 1 west....maybe KU or Okie and UVa or VT in the east..

 

[e5fdny]

I'm not concerned about what there fans say or think....we know their envious and after the way the ACC blew them off there shellshocked...i'm just talking about who makes sense locking down the northeast..to Maine..

There is no there there.

UVA does that in spades. THAT move makes sense on many more levels than UConn ever will.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Not a snowball's chance in hell. Look at the teams the Big Ten could have taken. Missouri, Pitt, Kansas, Syracuse, West Virginia. And now they're gonna take UConn? No way.

UConn trumps Cuse easily IMO..

 

[AreYouNUTS]

UConn trumps Cuse easily IMO..

2 schools perfectly fit for the ACC or AAC.

 

[carolina scarlet]

B1G expand? i'd be shocked if it does. even if it does, it would need to happen this year.

just my opinion, but here is why.
inviting RU and Maryland was planned for a long time. it was reported that B1G entertained inviting RU for over a decade or more. the reason why it took so long was because it needed a compelling economics to support a net positive revenue sharing model. over the years, RU's case had so many 'if's with not much facts to back up the theories. that changed in 2006. the RU-Louisville game ratings broke records, which can be used in negotiations as a fact. then, Maryland's financial challenges opened the door. so from 2006, it took almost 6 years for it to happen. B1G does not make impulse moves. it is always calculated.
and, most importantly, B1G's network rights contracts expires at the end of 2016-7 BB season. that's next season. RU and Maryland joined a few years ahead of this to prove the value on BTN before the negotiations go into full steam. in fact, this strategy worked. RU's marquee games with PSU on BTN broke records. again. once this contract is locked in, B1G is good for many years to come. expand? unless ND or Texas come knocking the door, i don't see it. don't think we see B1G expands from now on unless there is a compelling economics reason. does UConn's men's BB does that? i doubt it. football drives the bus.

IMHO you are wrong. The move to an 8 school CFB playoff is in the cards and the power 5's are now looking to develop the 16 school format.BIG presidents want the best of those remaining.

 

[suggakane]

nobody will take a pay cut. any addition has to bring enough revenue to the table to make sure that does not happen. I don't think UConn can bring it.

 

[Nosoj]

If Big Ten expands....I think Vanderbilt comes first, because it would compliment Northwestern well.....why would Vandy leave SEC? It would be because of the overall prestige....I also suspect VU administrators would prefer to get more media exposure to the northeast.

13 schools aren't going to vote for Vanderbilt because they compliment Northwestern. I don't think there's enough benefit for either side here, but they're a better option than some that have been thrown out.

True but the 800 lbs gorilla in the corner is they're not AAU. That's a show stopper from what I read.

Nebraska isn't either, any more. The B1G knew Nebraska was losing AAU status when they were brought on, and Wisconsin and Michigan voted against Nebraska in the AAU. I think this is overblown and is more of a "Nice to have" check box than a requirement. Notre Dame would get in without being AAU. UConn may not, but it's not a dealbreaker that some make it out to be.

UConn:
Strike one: not a member of AAU
Strike two: not in contiguous state to a B1G member
Strike three: no on campus football stadium

See above for AAU. See Below for contiguous state. Minnesota didn't have an on campus football stadium for 27 years until they built TFC in 2008.

I thought the states needed to touch and NJ does not touch Connecticut last I checked. The final two will be North Carolina and UVA....

Vanderbilt is out. Tennessee is not a contiguous state to the Big Ten footprint.

The contiguous state clause, if it exists, is a Big Ten bylaw, not an NCAA or national law. And since the B1G presidents are the individuals voting on expansion, they can also choose to eliminate this clause and invite whomever they want. It's hardly a pebble in the road, let alone a speed bump or roadblock.

Nobody's doing anything for another 8-10 years until the GORs expire. Then the ACC takes UConn as a replacement for one of several departures.

If Oklahoma decided next week they wanted to go to the B1G or the SEC, they're going to the B1G or the SEC. The GOR will help the Big 12 get some settlement cash but it doesn't chain them down if they really want to go. It's a matter of how much they want to fight to get out.

 

[Nosoj]

As far as UConn to the B1G...meh. If they're a Northeastern tagalong to Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas or Florida State, I could live with it, though I prefer Kansas if we're talking about schools with terrible football and blue blood basketball.

And the B1G doesn't need to move fast to beat the Big 12 to the punch. If the Big 12 adds UConn and it looks like a runaway home run in a decade, the B1G can probably still get UConn from the Big 12, provided they haven't filled up with some combo of UNC/UVa/GT/FSU/Kansas/Oklahoma/Texas./Notre Dame.

 

[OriginalKnight]

UCONN WILL be in the B1G in the next 5 yrs...maybe they have only been playing D1 FB for 11 yrs but their a State U and close to AAU and we can't afford to let the ACC have them....basketball success and all i don't know why no one sees their value....everywhere i go their looked down on except in Connecticut..even FF county feels more NY/NJ than Conn...like there a New England/Boston school...no real fanbase outside the boneyard site...Delany seems to like them and thinks between the 2 state schools we can lock down everything north and east of Va... me too with Okie or KU or VT....

Nicky UCONN football is a steaming turd pile. Just out of curiosity are you a UCONN fan also?

 

[NickyNewark51]

Nicky UCONN football is a steaming turd pile. Just out of curiosity are you a UCONN fan also?

I HOPE you know better than that or ain't that batsa ......all's i know as an RU fan since ''63'' as an 11 or 12 yrs old is that I can STILL remember the feeling I had before getting the B1G invite and it looked like they ''UConn'' were going ACC and how scared and embarrassed i was...I was shaken up...i didn't know at the time that our admins had told the ACC we had zero interest in them and we were on an unofficial B1G waiting list....sympathy don't make you a fan...don't say that again..I wish Temple the best too...as long as were covered don't worry about others..we got our own house to put in order..My feelings aren't as warm for Cuse/BC...oh Original...as an aside when not playing us i do look at the scores of TU and UConn and hope they repped the east well....why not...their not a few certain others we never wish well..lol..

 

[RUfinal4]

I would think the B12 would be more likely to expand but...
- with OU making the final 4 this year without a championship game they have less urgency
- with the vote to allow them to host a conference championship game with 10 teams they don't need 2 more for the game

if B12 does expand -
- Cincy - Ohio
- UConn - Conn, southern MA, and North of NYC counties in NY
- BYU - Utah and mormons around the country
- Memphis - Tennessee
The B12 is only going to expand if they will be launching a conference tv network since they don't need the extra schools for a championship game. The Southern MA, CT, north of NYC Counties, Utah, mormons, and Tennessee may create enough revenue via a new tv network to cover these schools if a network is launched.

 

[imbazza2]

UConn:
Strike one: not a member of AAU
Strike two: not in contiguous state to a B1G member
Strike three: no on campus football stadium

Strike four: only 2 more tickets left, One for ND and a second for Texas or UVA, UNC, as these schools will add market share. We cover NY metro and Conn's market is nil

 

[RobertG]

The state of Connecticut has 2 DMAs:

1 882,567 6.6 New York, NY - CT - NJ - PA DMA 25.9 4.4
2 2,522,998 2.6 Hartford & New Haven, CT DMA 74.1 100.0

With RU the BTN is already in the first and Hartford ranks 30th according to Nielsen so from a Network stand point on the surface it might not make sense, I don't think that adding UCONN would bring in their eventual full share.

DMA ranks.

 

[RUinBoston]

As a side note, it's interesting how Rutgers always 'sucks', but Maryland who had a worse record each of the last 2 years, apparently doesn't.

 

[Nosoj]

As a side note, it's interesting how Rutgers always 'sucks', but Maryland who had a worse record each of the last 2 years, apparently doesn't.

I'd say it's two things here:

1) This particular article is discussing the NYC market. Maryland has very little to do with that. If it were discussing adding Virginia to solidify the Baltimore/DC markets you'd see more of Maryland's lackluster football program.
2) Maryland has been successful at other sports. We know football drives the bus, but at least Maryland can point to a top 10 basketball program that finished 2nd in the conference last year and is 17-2 (6-1) this year.

 

[HarrisonRU]

It will be UVA AND UNC Take that to the BANK, BIG 12 will take 6 ACC will have to take some and the AAC will take a Michigan directional... or two, Marshall, Ohio FIU and some others to stay at the very bottom. SEC will take Clemson and Florida State and you will have 5 16 team divisions and they will move to an 8 game playoff

 

[HarrisonRU]

I think the ACC gets ND.... they have one foot in already. When the 5 go to 16 they will need to choose and they will choose whomever they want sans the Pac 12

 

[cicero grimes]

If the B1G expands it will be to states with population growth. The core B1G states are losing population to the south and west. That is where any expansion will come from. IMHO we may see something sooner than expected with the TV negotiations coming up. If the B1G makes a splash it could drive up the rights fees. With the ACC network on hold and if the GOR was tied to that who knows if they can hold that conf together.

 

[HarrisonRU]

Virginia and North Carolina are on the upswing... The rest of the states they have are on the decline. I don't see them going into Florida or south of NC because they don't have teams in those states that they either want or will leave the SEC.... Reason number 547 why Syracuse and UConn will never be offered an invite PERIOD

 

[RUinBoston]

I'd say it's two things here:

1) This particular article is discussing the NYC market. Maryland has very little to do with that. If it were discussing adding Virginia to solidify the Baltimore/DC markets you'd see more of Maryland's lackluster football program.
2) Maryland has been successful at other sports. We know football drives the bus, but at least Maryland can point to a top 10 basketball program that finished 2nd in the conference last year and is 17-2 (6-1) this year.

Perhaps, but they singled out Rutgers and Purdue as 'sucking'... Purdue ain't anywhere near NYC.

 

[Nosoj]

If the B1G expands it will be to states with population growth. The core B1G states are losing population to the south and west. That is where any expansion will come from. IMHO we may see something sooner than expected with the TV negotiations coming up. If the B1G makes a splash it could drive up the rights fees. With the ACC network on hold and if the GOR was tied to that who knows if they can hold that conf together.

Virginia and North Carolina are on the upswing... The rest of the states they have are on the decline. I don't see them going into Florida or south of NC because they don't have teams in those states that they either want or will leave the SEC.... Reason number 547 why Syracuse and UConn will never be offered an invite PERIOD

Accurately, the Big Ten states are as populous as they've ever been. They're just not growing as fast as the South or West. Big Ten states still account for over one quarter of the US population. Until A&M joined the SEC I believe they were still the largest conference as far as state populations, though they've been passed as the SEC added about 33 million in population during the last realignment, while the Big Ten added about 14 million.

In addition, the Big Ten has one huge advantage over it's counterparts.

Total enrollments:

Big Ten: 579,000+
SEC: 451,000+
Pac-12: 414,000+
ACC: 342,000+
Big 12: 287,000+

That's a lot more alumni and a lot more potential viewers.

Now, the demographic shift is certainly something to be concerned about, clearly they are and the move to the Eastern seaboard is part of the reaction to that.

Perhaps, but they singled out Rutgers and Purdue as 'sucking'... Purdue ain't anywhere near NYC.

That's what I get for skimming and not reading the entire thing. [winking]

 

[Scarlet Knut]

If the B1G ever expands I'd like to see UVA in the East and Oklahoma or Kansas in the west.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

13 schools aren't going to vote for Vanderbilt because they compliment Northwestern. I don't think there's enough benefit for either side here, but they're a better option than some that have been thrown out.

Nebraska isn't either, any more. The B1G knew Nebraska was losing AAU status when they were brought on, and Wisconsin and Michigan voted against Nebraska in the AAU. I think this is overblown and is more of a "Nice to have" check box than a requirement. Notre Dame would get in without being AAU. UConn may not, but it's not a dealbreaker that some make it out to be.

See above for AAU. See Below for contiguous state. Minnesota didn't have an on campus football stadium for 27 years until they built TFC in 2008.

1) re: AAU - UConn isn't Nebraska

2) Minnesota was a B1G member long before they had to play off campus

 

[HarrisonRU]

The B1G wants B1G type schools.... UVA and UNC fit the bill hit the borders and are academically comparable to the rest. They are not going to take Vandy or go after Duke... the reason NW is in the conference has more to do with where the school sits than anything, an outlier... large LAND GRANT STATE SCHOOLS.....

 

[HarrisonRU]

Oklahoma and Kansas will stick with the BIG12 they have natural rivals and they will be just peachy once everyone goes to 16 teams, especially if they get one or two ACC teams they have their eyes on.... but I think that the SEC trumps them and will act first.... Clemson and Florida State will be in the SEC when the smoke clears

 

[derleider]

Yup. Benefits for Vandy: would be among academic peers, better chance to be consistently competitive not playing in a semi pro league. Big ten expands south in contigious state with growing tv market. Win-win.

On the flip side - the all in cable carriage fee model is coming to an end. THe idea of adding an unpopular and not particularly successful private school in a small market would have been a bad one even before. Now it would be insane. Tennessee is not contiguous with any bIg Ten states by the way.

On the flip side, someone like Oklahoma becomes more valuable as poularity and not just market becomes a key factor again.

 

[Nosoj]

1) re: AAU - UConn isn't Nebraska

2) Minnesota was a B1G member long before they had to play off campus

Both true. My point was really that none of these things that are trotted out as "dealbreakers" are really 100% dealbreakers. The Big Ten would make exceptions to just about every supposed "rule" if they were bringing in the right program.

The B1G wants B1G type schools.... UVA and UNC fit the bill hit the borders and are academically comparable to the rest. They are not going to take Vandy or go after Duke... the reason NW is in the conference has more to do with where the school sits than anything, an outlier... large LAND GRANT STATE SCHOOLS.....

The reason NW is in the Big Ten is because they were a founding member. At the time it was 5 public schools (Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue and Wisconsin) and 2 private (Northwestern and Chicago). There wasn't a "B1G profile" school at that time. The rest of your post, spot on.

Oklahoma and Kansas will stick with the BIG12 they have natural rivals and they will be just peachy once everyone goes to 16 teams, especially if they get one or two ACC teams they have their eyes on.... but I think that the SEC trumps them and will act first.... Clemson and Florida State will be in the SEC when the smoke clears

Here's the thing about Oklahoma and Kansas...before 1996 their conference mates were Missouri (gone), Nebraska (gone), Colorado (gone), Iowa State, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State. They don't have a long conference history with the Texas schools. Could/would they give up K-State and Oklahoma State for Nebraska and Iowa? I don't know.

On the flip side - the all in cable carriage fee model is coming to an end. THe idea of adding an unpopular and not particularly successful private school in a small market would have been a bad one even before. Now it would be insane. Tennessee is not contiguous with any bIg Ten states by the way.

On the flip side, someone like Oklahoma becomes more valuable as poularity and not just market becomes a key factor again.

Aside from the mention of contiguous states, this is exactly what I've been saying. [banana]

You won't be able to bring in programs just because they're in a populous area in the future. You'll need programs that people actually want and will pay to watch.

 

[TRU2RU]

Oklahoma and Kansas will stick with the BIG12 they have natural rivals and they will be just peachy once everyone goes to 16 teams, especially if they get one or two ACC teams they have their eyes on.... but I think that the SEC trumps them and will act first.... Clemson and Florida State will be in the SEC when the smoke clears

Very doubtful the U of Florida or U of South Carolina are going to allow Clemson or FSU to join & with a SEC Network the SEC will look to expand their reach probably looking towards Virginia Tech and /or North Carolina State

 

[HarrisonRU]

Very doubtful the U of Florida or U of South Carolina are going to allow Clemson or FSU to join & with a SEC Network the SEC will look to expand their reach probably looking towards Virginia Tech and /or North Carolina State

good point but with the Money to be made the other members could give a rats ass about USCjr and Florida

 

[TRU2RU]

good point but with the Money to be made the other members could give a rats ass about USCjr and Florida

How does adding schools from States that are already in the SEC add money to the SEC Network? Adding schools from two large States that are not in the SEC Network family should add greater value, & we all know it is always about money!

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Sorry uconn. Geography is destiny.

Hartford is basically a Boston suburb. BC is already in the ACC.

 

[HarrisonRU]

How does adding schools from States that are already in the SEC add money to the SEC Network? Adding schools from two large States that are not in the SEC Network family should add greater value, & we all know it is always about money!

They will need to go to 16... are there any better options out there? Yes it will add eyes to the screen and merchandising as well as games that are televised nationally. People want to see these teams play Auburn and Alabama not Syracuse and Boston College... The SEC knows this