I love that the exact same users who have intensely supported Flood through years of incompetence (even up to his firing) are the exact same guys bashing Ash in every decommitt thread.
Isaiah Wright probable decommit per twitter
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Guys, we have to recognize there has been a complete overhaul here.
1) We have a coach with top notch experience, but has never coached a game.
2) The Coach has mid west roots and so does most of his staff.
3) Going to a completely different offensive scheme.
This is just to name a few things. I like these changes, but the items listed above are being used to plant doubt in recruits.
Things will be better next year at this time. How much will be determined HOW we play.
1) We have a coach with top notch experience, but has never coached a game.
2) The Coach has mid west roots and so does most of his staff.
3) Going to a completely different offensive scheme.
This is just to name a few things. I like these changes, but the items listed above are being used to plant doubt in recruits.
Things will be better next year at this time. How much will be determined HOW we play.
Isn't that what got us in the current mess. Seems like a number of kids are de-committing after taking their visit to us. they most be seeing how hard Ash and Staff plan of working these kids.
I love how the exact same users who have intensely BASHED Flood even during WINNING seasons for losing commits are the exact same guys praising Ash for losing commits with multiple P5 offers and bringing in players with no other D1 offers.
This was why I was worried about the delay in getting here ASAP. Perception is not going to be good if you fail to close the deal on players you thought we had.
And confirming that coaching in the silly Ohio State bowl game was a mistake in judgment and perception.
And confirming that coaching in the silly Ohio State bowl game was a mistake in judgment and perception.
You are going to look so freaking dumb with this comment in about 2 years. I can't wait to call you out on it.
Because he only beat cup cakes and got blown out by the legit teams.
Come back with a better point.
Foodies wanted to give him a few more years but not give Ash even the first season let alone a full recruiting cycle. And don't tell me what Flood did his first recruiting year. Those kids were Schiano kids who he kept by telling them nothing is changing.
Without using names:
- 1st Time HC "A" recruited for 4 classes.
- 1st Time HC "B" has recruited for 2 months (the last 2 months of the recruiting cycle) and is overhauling the offense to something completely different.
...comparing B to A at this point - regardless of how good or bad A was as a recruiter - is shockingly stupid.
- 1st Time HC "A" recruited for 4 classes.
- 1st Time HC "B" has recruited for 2 months (the last 2 months of the recruiting cycle) and is overhauling the offense to something completely different.
...comparing B to A at this point - regardless of how good or bad A was as a recruiter - is shockingly stupid.
Back then the BIG EAST was a BCS Conference at least theoretically on par with all the rest (I mean at least by rule). Being in the Big East pre-playoff era was not like being in the AAC today, but like being the ACC...most minor of the major conferences but still a a major conference with all the corresponding rights and privileges.
Lol every school, including our past teams have 5 am workouts.... Seeing this as an excuse is comical
Wright? His offer list included Ohio State. His bucket of options was pretty full.
so other programs that have posted winning records recently and are beating RU for recruits have easy workouts? Really do tell!!! WTH..
Right now? The bucket probably was full earlier on, but at this point in the year (2 days from NSD), believe me, the bucket has a hole.
The only thing with this I'm worried about is that Hunt said that this is the guy every other recruit bonded with the most over the weekend, even Oden said him and Bah he connected with the most.... Sounds like he would have been a great addition to the locker room
Starting to hear rumors that 1 recent de-commit didn't make a good impression this past weekend.
This is another thing I've been saying from the beginning...we could lose every recruit in this class and we're still better off without Fludd.
It amazes me that some think that we should go from Fludd's type of recruits to 4 stars overnight. Anyone stop to think that some of these kids are decommiting and going to places like Temple because that's where they belong and they know it.
You guys are bashing Ash for trying to piece together a class in basically 2 weeks but you accepted substandard, Fludd level recruiting for 4 years. Like someone else said, I feel FAR more confident with Ash at the helm than I ever did with Fludd.
I heard the same thing yesterday, and some seem to think he was a 'must get' type of recruit. Like I've been saying, Ash is recruiting a very different type of kid than Fludd.
I've posted this before and I'll do it again -- here are the facts: Ash has lost a lot of recruits and gained only a few. Everything else is conjecture. It maybe that he didn't like the kids who left, they were already gone, or that he simply cannot close. Some posters are willing to accept the losses as inevitable and give Ash a pass. Others are concerned about the losses and the possibility that Ash may not be able to close, but remain supportive of Ash. I think both of these positions are reasonable. There is a third group, who are decidedly anti-Ash. This is a very small group; not everyone who questions whether Ash can close is anti-Ash. But, I think it's unreasonable to decide already that Ash cannot get it done.
As for me, I fall into category number 2. There has been no bump since Ash came in, which is disappointing. Kids are not running to play for him. It doesn't mean that he cannot get it done or that I don't support him. But, I am a little concerned. Let's see what happens this year on the field and next off season.
As for me, I fall into category number 2. There has been no bump since Ash came in, which is disappointing. Kids are not running to play for him. It doesn't mean that he cannot get it done or that I don't support him. But, I am a little concerned. Let's see what happens this year on the field and next off season.
If it was Wright .. it would confirm the gut feel I had when I read TH's Friday 1/29 article -
TH was doing a phone interview with Wright on Wednesday 1/27 just before the Rutgers staff had arrived at his home -
Wright was visited by three members of the Rutgers staff at his home Wednesday - head coach Chris Ash, wide receivers coach Zak Kuhr and running backs coach Jafar Williams.
- this is what Wright says to TH -
"They are just saying that I'm an athlete and they feel like I can bring a lot to the program," he said. "They are saying I can play the X (receiver), but then Ash was talking about I can play receiver but also be on some special teams returns, too.
"But honestly, because of all that's going on, I want to make sure they aren't just telling everybody what they wanna hear. I'm gonna ask about that when they come. That's why I was waiting to meet him to see what he's really gonna talk about."
??? I, I, I ....me, me me .... if this kind of attitude was on display - it certainly would have set off the "alignment" alarms
I never suggested that Ash should get a free pass. When you step into a tough situation, then you have to deal with tough situations, that's what he is doing now.
His job definitely is NOT to keep this class together, his job is to put together a class that can build a solid foundation and help win games in the future. If guys like Dre Boggs and Nadir Barnwell decommited from this class some of you guys would be jumping off bridges. Fludd got lots of credit for signing them but very little criticism from some when they embarrassed the program. The bottom line is Ash isn't going to buy into every Fludd recruit and every Fludd recruit isn't going to buy into Ash. If a kid looked at Fludd's program and said "that's where I want to be," then looks at what Ash wants to build and says, "I don't want to be a part of that"...then I'm cool with it because, despite the hype, we all saw the type of kids Fludd went after when his back was against the wall. I'm glad Ash is smart enough to not make the same mistake.
This is what I was referring to in an earlier post. He had an impression that Ash was just telling folks what they wanted to hear and not being honest and up front??? That's not something you say out loud to a person you expect to be your next head coach. The guy committed to Fludd, he bought what Fludd was selling. IMO, that says alot...If he doesn't want to buy into what Ash is selling, I'm cool with that, have fun at Temple or wherever he winds up.
The circumstances regarding this recruiting year is not the norm. I AM NOT SURE HOW ELSE TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS. There are so many factors going against Ash, it's a minor miracle he has been able to hold on to the ones currently committed. Most of these decomms has a story behind it - and no, it is not because Ash got out recruited. Next year, if he is still losing recruits to Rhule then fine bash away.
Nah, I'm good. Thinking long term here and the betterment of the program over the course of the next 3 or 4 years, not the here and now. I'm not sweating some WR from that football hotbed Connecticut in what is essentially year zero for Ash. "But we need receivers". Yeah, but we need a dynamic playmaker at QB, some linebackers and some depth in the secondary even more. Oh, yeah...Ash locked in all three.
Not losing sleep over Flood's players. Not that Flood didn't recruit some nice pieces, he did, but I will repeat: not losing sleep over the previous staff's recruits.
I am also concerned as other programs in similar situations (MD and Cuse) are finding more success in their recruiting.
Was the in home visit his first contact with the new staff?......if so,..Kind of late contact for a position of need?
So for the first bolded, he clearly saw Wright as someone that would be part of the solid foundation, no? Because if he didn't, Wright wouldn't have been on campus contemplating things and Ash would've told him to find another place if he didn't fit in.
For the second bolded point, you must've been visiting a different board because there was A LOT of criticism here. Also from the media, people I talked to in person, etc. There still is! There was constant criticism of Flood before this season even after the 8-5 season especially with recruiting. I'm not sure where you got this idea from.
When Flood won 9 games in his first year, I was on these boards and said - this man will ruin the program. And I got laughed at. Most people look at the surface. I don't. I look at stuff that will have long lasting impacts. So, when I tell you it's not bad - that in fact we are in good shape, I am not looking at it from the lens of a few decommits. What am I talking about regarding being on the right track? Here are a few example:
- Ash surrounded himself with coaches who will implement his plan. This was Urban's advise to him. Make sure you have alignment.
- What is this plan? Simple - implement how they do things at successful programs like Ohio State here in Rutgers. Example:
- The S&C program. The new program is night and day better than the old one. Do you think having Elijah Johnson is going to matter a hill of beans whether Penn State's D-Line is able to push our O-Line? Turning the S&C program around is a HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION - HUGE!!!
- In terms of recruiting, Ash understood that there was severely damaged relationships between the NJ HS coaches and Rutgers. So, his first order of business was to talk them. His objective was to build that relationship again. He hired Mantz solely for that purpose. It's only been a month but has it yield dividends? Not in the sense of commits. Especially if you look at what happened with the yahoos at BC/BC. But look at what the other coaches are saying about him. Hinson raves about Ash. Hansen too. Sure talk is cheap - but it's a step in the right direction. Schools like Timber Creek, PWay, Sta Joe's, SPP, they start feeding Rutgers again, we'll be in excellent shape for the future.
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Ash isn't selling water in the dessert. He is building a water pipeline from the Pacific to turn the dessert into a Oasis
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I am also concerned as other programs in similar situations (MD and Cuse) are finding more success in their recruiting.
FAIL
Maryland's class was in the 20's prior to the regime change and, since, has lost ALL 3 of its former 4-star commits, dropping the ranking down to 47th (2.89 star average). The 'Cuse class is currently ranked 50th with (15)3-star kids at an average of 2.71 stars. Our class, fyi, ranked 52nd here when Flood was fired, is sitting at 78th, due to the fact that we are currently at 13 commits, BUT with an average of 2.79 stars.
I am also concerned as other programs in similar situations (MD and Cuse) are finding more success in their recruiting.
FAIL
Maryland's class was in the 20's prior to the regime change and, since, has lost ALL 3 of its former 4-star commits, dropping the ranking down to 47th (2.89 star average). The 'Cuse class is currently ranked 50th with (15)3-star kids at an average of 2.71 stars. Our class, fyi, ranked 52nd here when Flood was fired, is sitting at 78th, due to the fact that we are currently at 13 commits, BUT with an average of 2.79 stars.
Hence the "thumbs down" emoticon.
Ya but Nuts at least Maryland did get two instate four stars to commit to the new coaches.
