It's about talent and we need more.
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You do realize that we scored our only TD coming out of one of the TOs and for another we had 12 men on the field.
Begs the question of why 12 men on the field no? Thats not talent issue as OP states.
You understand that North Dakota State is something like a 5-time defending champ of FCS? They have fewer scholarships at FCS programs. But they have plenty of good players. Like the Philadelphia Eagles QB who starts as a rookie. Does he qualify as star talent? He is better than any QB we have ever had at Rutgers. North Dakote State is a far superior team to Rutgers. With the small amount of press in North Dakota and the small amount of national coverage of FCS football, it is easy to overlook and underestimate the roster of North Dakota State. It's good enough that no one wants to schedule them.
all timeouts yesterday were used because of confusion. 12 guys on the field was one of them.
That's on the coaches. Need to be prepared going into the game. I am willing to give the coaches a pass because they are learning this season as well.
But I will not give them a pass on the QB. Laviano is not good, and I have seen a year and a quarter of not being good. The fact that other QBs looked ok when given the chance is making it worse. I would like to see the others given more opportunities.
That's on the coaches. Need to be prepared going into the game. I am willing to give the coaches a pass because they are learning this season as well.
But I will not give them a pass on the QB. Laviano is not good, and I have seen a year and a quarter of not being good. The fact that other QBs looked ok when given the chance is making it worse. I would like to see the others given more opportunities.
I don't recall writing the OP about the game but overall in general. We lost because of talent and some coaching mistakes. We are a bottom third P5 team because of talent.
A really good QB will win 2-3 games because of his play. Actually, Nova won a few games because of his arm but no one gave him credit.
The great ones like Bridgewater wins 3-4 games and is the difference maker. One day, we will have a difference maker.
The great ones like Bridgewater wins 3-4 games and is the difference maker. One day, we will have a difference maker.
Yup. Our OC CALLED at least 3 TD plays that Laviano failed miserably on: 2 downfield passes to Harris he overthrew by about 5 yards and the 4th down pitch he didn't make. 21 points right there.
First of all, that's literally one player.
Second of all, Carson Wentz is proof that coaching/development makes the difference. No one recruited that guy. No one. But North Dakota State coaches saw something in him that others did not, and helped develop him into an NFL caliber player.
Coaching > Talent
Great coaching as such is a very good thing, but VERY rare, which is why so many teams win with lots and lots of TALENT. You're pretty much on your own here my friend. We need lots and lots more TALENT on this roster.
they still do not have the talent and depth of anyone in the big 10 much less Iowa.
North Dakota State had 7 players in the NFL in 2015 ...
http://965thefox.com/former-ndsu-players-suiting-up-for-nfl-teams-in-2015/
Didn't we just compete with a middle of the pack B1G team?
Well this is a different argument. Of coarse Flood's recruits are not matching up with Ohio State. But this team is not devoid of talent, which is what I've read a couple hundred times here this season.
The Iowa game is one where you can look at coaching and say, there were moves to be made that could have changed the outcome of that game. And really the slow starts in the previous 3 could be linked to coaching.
Which is OK, coach and the gang are young and some growing pains in that regard are to be expected.
But man, i wish people discussed the situation honestly. The team does have some talent and coach while imo carrying a ton of promise is not yet the 2nd coming of Urban.
One of the timeouts was used when Harris went into the wrong set when he was replacing Grant after his injury. The play was likely keying on Harris and the staff called a TO to avoid confusion.
It continues to amaze me that the same 10 or so posters who were the most vocal anti Ash hire continue to forward the agenda across this board against the staff after every game and even in game threads. RU won 4 games last year and has not had even near stellar recruitung results in the last several years. There is a void in overall talent and with a new/young HC and staff there will be growing pains. Perhaps some people need to take their ritalin and chill.
I'm more amazed that people will sugar coat piss poor coaching on the sidelines because he's new, young and supposedly, is learning on the job.
who are these 10 posters by the way?
We lost by a TD.
I don't think either the talent or coaching was bad after that game, a close game losing by 1 score. I will say I didn't like many of the calls on 4th down in the red zone, or going one dimensional with Oden in the game in a crucial drive etc, so lets stop pretending that common sense doesn't exist here for a second, but either way I don't see how a game this close serves as a valid example if bad coaching or of bad talent. For the record it's pretty obvious we don't have e great talent but also that we can compete with mid tier B1G teams, and Ash has done pretty good so fsr but has had some hiccups for sure.
I don't think either the talent or coaching was bad after that game, a close game losing by 1 score. I will say I didn't like many of the calls on 4th down in the red zone, or going one dimensional with Oden in the game in a crucial drive etc, so lets stop pretending that common sense doesn't exist here for a second, but either way I don't see how a game this close serves as a valid example if bad coaching or of bad talent. For the record it's pretty obvious we don't have e great talent but also that we can compete with mid tier B1G teams, and Ash has done pretty good so fsr but has had some hiccups for sure.
I'm trying to discuss honestly and unfortunately posting my thoughts after the Iowa game led many to compare and contrast coaching and talent vs. Iowa which was not the discussion I was trying to start. I watched the Iowa game and then met some friends at a sports bar and sat there watching a number of 3:30 games. My conclusion after 4 weeks of watching top 25 teams is we need a boatload of talent. Simple as that. The top teams play faster, make more athletic plays, have depth and don't have glaring holes. We can't say any of that.
It's just night and day. Flood left a huge hole and the reality is Schiano's best were only marginally close. Ash has a ton of work to do recruiting.
If a WR doesn't fumble in our defensive red-zone after a good defensive series gets us the ball in a tied game, we probably win the game. If the blocking is just a tiny bit better in our offensive red-zone on third and fourth down, we probably win the game. If the offensive play calling was a bit more conservative and used Martin instead of a QB to score on those third and forth down plays, we probably win the game...
If we go back and analyze the game very closely, we'd surely find that some key missed blocks up-field, some missed tackles, some incorrectly run routes, some missed defensive reads all probably contributed to the loss.
Just pointing fingers at the QB in that game reeks of tunnel-vision.
Well NDU's current QB is Easton Stick. Remember, we tried recruiting Stick after Wiegers decommitted. Stick turned us down to attend NDSU.
Fumbles happen, miss tackles happen, conservative play calling is subjective. My issue with the QB is that he's not good and doesn't fit into this offense. He doesn't have a strong arm and he misses open receivers. When he did complete some passes he floats the ball and leaves the WRs taking big hits. Now he did complete some passes, but not enough to be considered a good throwing QB.
He also doesn't run well and he doesn't read the DE correctly for this offense. He doesn't make good decisions.
When Oden went into the game he read the DE correctly and he's faster and a better runner. I would prefer a QB that can either hand off and run instead of a QB that can hand off but can't run. Laviano passes doesn't make up for his lack of running ability.
Also Gio ran 1 play this year. Based on that play alone he should get more opportunities. IMO.
So the coaches are to blame when a kid doesn't recognize that he needed to come out because of a certain package or play call or the QB breaks the huddle too soon before the extra player can leave the huddle? That was actually good coaching to recognize that and not get a penalty in that situation.
To be fair, I think both Ash and Mehringer, but at least one of them, said it's on the coaches to ensure that doesn't happen, in their post-game press conferences. I agree w/them in this case.
I agree w/had to call the timeout. But it's on the coaches to prevent those situations where we need to waste a timeout that way.
Nobody is saying Laviano's any kind of great QB. And nobody can argue that a great QB would make us more competitive in any game. But regardless of that, to pin the loss on Laviano alone is simply incorrect.
As for Oden being better at running, nobody's denying that. But according to the evidence in front of us (the fact that our staff won't let Oden throw, yet, in a game and Ash's statements about Oden "having a long way to go" before he's ready), he's not yet ready to take over the QB role. If he's struggling with the passing game in practice, he's not magically going to become a great passing QB in the games.
Gio's one run this year was through a totally exhausted Howard team that could barely stand upright, let alone tackle. It was fun as hell to watch, but I wouldn't be basing much on it (and neither is the coaching staff, apparently).
Perhaps at some point, another QB will step up and earn the right to start. That would be great. But win or lose, it'll still require the whole team to perform; not just the QB.
I understand your point of view, but I just think for this game the D did a good job only allowing 14 point and 7 on a short field. The punter did a good job. The OL was actually pushing back the Iowa DL. The RBs ran well. But the QB missed open WRs (Martin 2 time and Harris in the end zone) and miss read the DE on the 4th down at the goal line option play. Better QB play this game and it's a win.
I'm hoping Oden develops quickly because I would like to see him play the majority of the snaps the 2nd half of the year. Leave Laviano in for OSU because it won't matter who's at QB that game.
Agreed that Oden shouldn't play against OSU. And agreed that it would be great if Oden can play lots more this season.
lol...first off, I've had 2 in 15years with this being the new one. Secondly, I never posted on this board about the ASH hire other than one thing which was I wanted someone with local ties for recruiting. I have been wrong on recruiting as he is doing a great job which makes me very happy.
soooooooo clearly you haven't a clue on my postings but nice try sport
As someone who actually follows FCS football (New Hampshire season ticket holder), what you typed is 100% accurate.
Maybe not "far" but odds are we wouldn't be happy with the outcome if we played today.
I'm guessing their tight win over Iowa vs our 7 point loss to Iowa weighs heavily into that disparity.
Does that make for a far superior team? Not imo.
Should be noted that North Dakota went to OT in both of their first 2 games. Vs Charleston Southern(who play in the same conference as Monmouth) in week 1, and East Washingto in week 2. Now both those teams look to be solid FCS teams, but they are still FCS squads.
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