It's official... NCAA to move back 3-point line in 2019-20
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My question had nothing, absolutely zero, to do with players exploiting the Three-Point Rule. Nothing at all to do with that at all, but thanks for the stats they were interesting.
Someone made a comment that "it's typically the older generation that doesn't like the 3."
Since it has been a rule in basketball for several decades I was curious as to how old is older generation, that person was referring to, is.
My point is that people not liking the three has zero to do with when it became part of the rulebook, and everything to do with when it become dominant in today's game.
Many people gravitate to the style of play of the era they first became a fan. This era of three point dominant play is relatively new, and chafes those who prefer prior eras.
Personally, I don't watch much NBA, but I prefer the current style to the iso every play style of not long back.
Personally, I don't watch much NBA, but I prefer the current style to the iso every play style of not long back.
I never said it was a new rule. I said the people who don't like the 3 pointer tend to be from the older generations.
Do you disagree? How old do you think the average fan who doesn't like the 3 is? How many of the hundreds of recruits that you follow think the 3 pointer is a bad rule? Probably near zero. Not liking the 3 is definitely correlated with age
I know that you never said it was a new rule. I never said that you did. I simply want to know what you are defining as "the older generation that doesn't like the 3."
Here I'll try to clarify my question because, as simple as I think it is, it is leading to some confusion so I must not be communicating it well.
Is this "older generation that doesn't like the 3" people in their 50s?
Is this "older generation that doesn't like the 3" people in their 60s?
Is this "older generation that doesn't like the 3" people in their 70s?
Is this "older generation that doesn't like the 3" people in their 80s?
Is this "older generation that doesn't like the 3" people in their 90s?
Is this "older generation that doesn't like the 3" people 100 years old and older?
Please pick one and so that I'll understand what you mean by "older generation."
I hope this helps.
FFS. My question had nothing to do with that so, no offense, but I'm not interested in that. I was simply asking @Scangg to clarify what he meant by his "the older generation that doesn't like the 3" comment.
I only brought up when the rule went into effect is because if you were a 10 year old kid when the rule went into effect in the NBA, you'd be 50 years old now. So I was curious how he was defining "the older generation."
It likely increases as you go up in age across those groups is the point. I'm not trying to argue specific ages or an exact cut off although I'd be interested to hear if people had theories if they think there is a defined age that it does significantly change
Another interesting point to discuss is with the 3 point line moved back next year.... Does this really favor a lineup with Yeboah at the 4 over EO since Yeboah is a three point shooter and EO started to just now take some 3's and struggled in that aspect?
Thanking that they care repercussion is that defenses will have to come out another step to guard the three-point line which is further away from the basket. That should create more space for entry passes on the block. More space to work down well as the health defense I’ll be a step further away
My first inclination was that I would consider running at three twp
zone that morphs into a 2-3 with the ball close to the wing...
My first inclination was that I would consider running at three twp
zone that morphs into a 2-3 with the ball close to the wing...
As I said above, it's about when someone became a fan of the NBA - that's the time period that's going to be most "right" to them, and anything that's too far away from that will lead to some saying that "X is ruining the game". The "three or dunk" style of play is very recent, within the last 10-15 years.... so the noise will be coming from those who fell in love with the game before that time.
Trying to triangulate age based on when the rule was added isn't really the point - it's not about the rule itself beyond the argument of the rule somehow being the root cause of the current style of play.
Well, if a 10 year old started watching the NBA in '79, when the league added the three-point shot, they are now 50. So they basically grew up with that being part of the game so it's unlikely most fans 50-59 hate the 3. Those fans who are 60-69 years old were in their 20s when the league added the three-point shot.
So you'd probably have people 70 years old and older who don't particularly like the 3. But what percentage of NBA fans are 70 and older?
My guess is five percent or lower.
Btw, if you are not trying to argue specific ages or an exact cut off why even say that it is "the older generation that doesn't like the 3."
Kinda sounds like an assumption you are making.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26633540/the-nba-obsessed-3s-let-fix-thing
Interesting take on the rise of the three, with a great visual showing threes as a percentage of shots taken over the years. Clearly aimed only at septuagenarians bothered by threes.
Fewer than 1 in 20 shots over the first decade or so after the arc was introduced, and now more that 1 in 3.
Interesting take on the rise of the three, with a great visual showing threes as a percentage of shots taken over the years. Clearly aimed only at septuagenarians bothered by threes.
Fewer than 1 in 20 shots over the first decade or so after the arc was introduced, and now more that 1 in 3.
Good lord, you totally missed the point he was making.
I can't miss the point if I didn't care what it was.
All I wanted to know was: How old were these people in "the older generation that doesn't like the 3?"
For some reason it was damn near impossible to get an answer that question.
You went there....Yeboah shot 32% from the old line.....does that translate to 29% to the new line?
He has taken a lot of shots in his career at the American East conference, but he has missed a ton.
Very interesting read.
The concept floated letting teams select the 3 point line for their home court (within certain parameters is very interesting)
Because you're coming at it from the weird angle of "the rule was instituted in 1979" which is largely irrelevant.
People who fell in love with the NBA during the late 80s/early 90s eras of Jordan/Bird and the first Dream Team would be roughly in their late 30s or older right now. The game they fell in love with has changed dramatically since then in a lot of ways, but the most obvious one is "they take too many 3s now" which some fixate on. People in their teens/twenties who fell in love with the game in the last decade or so just see this as how the game is played.
This has created a rough generational divide where most of the people who gripe about the way the game is now played are "older" fans, in that they became fans during prior eras that didn't have such a love affair with the arc.
3 pointer was introduced in HS between my sophomore and junior year, that is when it became real.
It is interesting, but it comes from a place that feels like the game is somehow "broken" and needs to be fixed. That's not a given - overall ratings are high, so I don't think they'd want to tinker too drastically with the formula.
If interest started to wane, and they could track the drop to the three point focus of teams (which is based on analytics, largely), then they could make a change. I don't think the variable line is such a great idea, honestly. If they REALLY wanted to cut down on threes, extend the line out another 2 feet and take away the corners entirely. The arc could go around at 25'9" and then at 17' from the baseline just extend out to the sidelines at 90 degrees. In order to make a three point attempt, you'd need to be 17' or more away from the baseline.... which would serve two purposes: 1) making it harder to attempt threes, because % goes down further out and because the wings are taken away entirely; 2) making it easier to defend threes, because you don't have to worry about the wings/corners.
That's drastic, and it would be a huge change to the game and how it's played. I doubt they'd do anything like that unless their metrics showed them that the emphasis on threes was losing them a lot of money in interest/ratings/etc.
The graph showing the 3 pointers taken is very positively sloped. I am going to think eventually it will put people off and will necessitate a change. There would be a little time lag.
A lot of it really comes down to simple math. A team should be taking all these 3s AND Greg Popovich is right! He is right about a lot of things.
A lot of it really comes down to simple math. A team should be taking all these 3s AND Greg Popovich is right! He is right about a lot of things.
Coming at it from the weird angle of "the rule was instituted in 1979" which is largely irrelevant? LOL
I only referenced 1979 because that is when the NBA started using the three-point shot. That was the rookie season of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. That was 40 years ago. Someone posted that it is "the older generation that doesn't like the 3." Well, if someone was 18 and fell in love with the NBA during because of Bird & Magic that person is 58 years old (or turning 58 years old) this year. Of course they remember the NBA before the three and they have seen the game evolve but you don't watch something for 40 years, though rule changes, if you don't love it, or at least really like it.
Who is going to watch the NBA for 40 years but every time they watch a game think "man I don't like this 3 point shot thing they do."
If we were having this exchange in 1980 I would completely agree that most of the older generation doesn't like the 3 because the rule was brand new and that older generation spent almost their entire lives watching the game without it. But this is 40 years after the three point shot became part of the NBA? Who is this older generation? 80 year olds?
And you went there again after it was already pointed out the flaw in that stat. He was shooting about 38% before his injury while being the focus of every D he played against
Yeah, looking at it based on when the rule was established missing the point entirely. I don't believe you are intentionally missing the point, but are just trying to frame the question in a very specific way that's not aligning with other people in the discussion.
Not liking the three doesn't have to mean "not liking that the three point line was introduced". You can not like what something has become and not have to take it all the way back to when it started. Someone might have drunk tequila for years.... but then have started hating it after having way too many one night and not even want to look at it anymore. The "older" people who "don't like the 3" don't have to have *always* not liked the 3 and long for the pre-1979 days.... they might just not like what the 3 has become and long for the pre-2009 days.
People who were 10-18 years old when Magic/Bird first met in the Finals are 45-53 years old today. People who were 10-18 during Jordan's first championship in 1991 are now 38-46. That year, Vernon Maxwell set the all-time 3-point mark at 172.... which wouldn't have even cracked the Top 15 in the last 4 seasons.
Again, missing the point. You can think "I don't like every third shot being a 3" without thinking "I don't like 3 pointers at all"... but there are also likely those who have had a Brewster's Millions effect and are so oversaturated with the 3 that they don't like it at all and long for some halcyon days where the line didn't exist (and which may have been before they were born).
But another major shift has happened in the last decade, which you seem to want to ignore. Someone can dislike what the three has done to the game in the last 10 years, feel like the three is "ruining the game", and wish for the "time before".... even if they've only been a fan of the game since the Kobe/Shaq era. You don't have to be 80 to have nostalgia for the late 90s/early 00s when players took almost half as many threes as they do today.
Think of it like the infield shift in baseball. Its usage has skyrockted in the last decade, and some fans (and again there's a generational element) hate it and feel like it's ruining the game. But it's never been against the rules, and it's been around since the 1920s.... so there's no "time before the shift was allowed" that people are remembering. What changed? Not some wording in the rulebook, but the behavior of teams - and some people wish teams would go back to a time before it was used so often.
Same case with the three pointer - it's not a matter of going back before it was allowed, but before its dramatic increase in usage.
Not sure if anyone read this, lol. Any idea if there are stats available on points scored per 3-point and 2-point shots attempted, including fouls on those shots? That would seem to be the most important stat for any team with regard to preferred shot selection (and I'm assuming offensive rebound rates on misses of each type of shot are similar, so not part of the comparison, but I could be wrong).
If your point is how the three point shot has changed the game and how it is used much more today than when the NBA first started using the rule, I agree with that. However, that is not what I cared to find out.
I simply wanted you to tell me who was "the older generation that doesn't like the 3." Depending on your answer to that, I might even agree with you. But for some reason you couldn't tell me who that older generation was. Was it people 50 and older? 60 and older?
For example, if someone asked me what age demo the preference for hip-hop music begins to drop, I could say "the older generation" but I'd also be able to back it up with an age range.
But on the three-point shot not being liked, all you provided was a broad stroke "older generation." Well hell's bells, the older generation to a 15 year old is a 30 year old.
Too many players think they are only noticed if they hit long 3's and slam dunk the ball. Fundamentals went out the window a long time ago. Moving the line even farther away will only increase the madness IMHO.
BB is now about being more of a showboat than a well rounded athlete.
Somewhere along the line, they all became Meadowlark Lemon.
BB is now about being more of a showboat than a well rounded athlete.
Somewhere along the line, they all became Meadowlark Lemon.
i watched the 4th quarter and enjoyed it.....to some extent. 74 3 pointers? yuck.
Cousin complains about that screen? Why does the NBA allow ridiculous screens? Anthony Davis (not the guy with 1 eyebrow, the real anthony davis) could be very successful in the NBA opening holes for guards and forwards.
https://www.nba.com/games/20190610/GSWTOR#/boxscore
Cousin complains about that screen? Why does the NBA allow ridiculous screens? Anthony Davis (not the guy with 1 eyebrow, the real anthony davis) could be very successful in the NBA opening holes for guards and forwards.
https://www.nba.com/games/20190610/GSWTOR#/boxscore
I watched the second half.... the Cousins screen made me laugh a bit, because while it seemed like an obvious foul, Gasol had a few just as obvious ones that didn't draw a whistle, too. Seemed an odd call to make at that point.
I am sorry Cousin cross checked Curry's? defender.
Why does the NBA allow moving or improper screens? Do they want to see scoring that bad.?
Why does the NBA allow moving or improper screens? Do they want to see scoring that bad.?
He definitely did, and I have no idea how the NBA usually calls that contact some I rarely watch NBA games... but Gasol also had a ton of contact earlier on screens with no call, which also made me laugh. Either call it or don't.
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