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Joey Hart

Saw HS highlights linked above and some comp looked suspect but real nice 3 pt stroke and had a number of dunks: taking it to the basket, getting ball in paint and even caught an alley oop. If Cam is worth $200k now this kid is worth double in a few years playing around high level players.

GO RU
 
He's visiting UK today. Indiana hasn't offered. Guess we'll see but Kentucky desperate for bodies.
 
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I wonder if RU took a swing at the Kaluma kid from Creighton ?

He's a nice player and would fill a need.
Not enough NIL money to pay him. In a state as rich as this you would think there would be more money available to fund the NIL.
 
The sad thing is if he is a take there it's only bc they are desperate for bodies

Have fun being recruited over next year by some top 20 guard

Come on - if anything that’s a bigger concern with Rutgers where it’s known who we’re bringing in already. Can’t blame the kid.

This isn’t going to be an easy sell. We need a Miller prototype. One who is 6-3 or 6-4. Ideal kid focuses on in your face defense. Probably not a great shooter or finisher. Won’t have the stat line to attract other high major competition. The premise here is we’re probably hunting a poor man’s Caleb. Worse scorer, not as good a defender but still rock solid on that end on the perimeter.

Won’t be a popular choice among our fans but that might be the best we can hope for who we can realistically get to contribute minutes.
 
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Come on - if anything that’s a bigger concern with Rutgers where it’s known who we’re bringing in already. Can’t blame the kid.

This isn’t going to be an easy sell. We need a Miller prototype. One who is 6-3 or 6-4. Ideal kid focuses on in your face defense. Probably not a great shooter or finisher. Won’t have the stat line to attract other high major competition. The premise here is we’re probably hunting a poor man’s Caleb. Worse scorer, not as good a defender but still rock solid on that end on the perimeter.

Won’t be a popular choice among our fans but that might be the best we can hope for who we can realistically get to contribute minutes.
We need a shooter. Not another miller. Compete for minutes. I love Simpson but he shot sub 40% and sub 20% from 3. Best guy starts at the 2. No one is promised a position.
 
Yes need a 2 with even a modicum of shooting at this point .. hopefully an older guy, stop gap until (hopefully) Dylan arrives. Gotta be a guy out there somewhere serviceable
 
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We need a shooter. Not another miller. Compete for minutes. I love Simpson but he shot sub 40% and sub 20% from 3. Best guy starts at the 2. No one is promised a position.
Your not understanding. At this late stage there’s a very low chance that a playable problem sharp shooter is falling into our lap. A Jaden Jones / Peter Kiss caliber defender cannot be overcome. We don’t have a Caleb out there to make up for missed assignments. Noah isn’t projected to be a good defender. Hyatt isn’t a good defender. GG is a frosh. 2 of those 3 will be on the court most of the time. We won’t be able to compete if we add an even weaker link on D even if we can put up points.

We have 3 scholarships. Maybe take a chance on a JUCO shooter I suppose. Regardless, it should be prioritized to add least one kid who is known to be a dependable perimeter defender with length - regardless of offensive skill set. Because right now this is a glaring hole that’s actually realistic to address.
 
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The sad thing is if he is a take there it's only bc they are desperate for bodies

Have fun being recruited over next year by some top 20 guard
Yup - he doesn't get a sniff there except for their weird situation.
He'd have a chance at impact minutes here.
If he goes to Kentucky, we'll have a shot at him in the portal next year
 
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Yup - he doesn't get a sniff there except for their weird situation.
He'd have a chance at impact minutes here.
If he goes to Kentucky, we'll have a shot at him in the portal next year
You think? Ideally we’ll have Dylan, Ace, Somerville, Simpson, GG and Mag back. Hopefully Davis shows promise too. Why would he want to come here in that situation?
 
I’m just saying - that’s not a roster with guaranteed starter minutes for him. Not by a long shot.
It's a lineup that needs shooting. We will need a guy like him.
If we end up with that lineup in 2024, there will be minutes the following year
And he'll see how different we are from Kentucky
 
It's a lineup that needs shooting. We will need a guy like him.
If we end up with that lineup in 2024, there will be minutes the following year
And he'll see how different we are from Kentucky
I’m not saying we wouldn’t need a shooter. More that from the kid’s perspective, he would not be an automatic shoe in to see starter minutes by transferring. I don’t think he would see starter minutes this season either which is why he won’t choose us in the end.
 
I’m not saying we wouldn’t need a shooter. More that from the kid’s perspective, he would not be an automatic shoe in to see starter minutes by transferring. I don’t think he would see starter minutes this season either which is why he won’t choose us in the end.
I wasn't thinking of him as a high enough rated player to think he's getting P5 starter minutes as a Freshman.
He's not starting at Kentucky.

He'd have a shot at 20+ mins/game here this year - his competition at Rutgers right now for that 3rd guard slot is Jamichael Davis - who seems like a non-shooter. AND Hart is 6'5" so he'd have a shot at some minutes at the 3, where our only 3 right now is Griffiths
 
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I wasn't thinking of him as a high enough rated player to think he's getting P5 starter minutes as a Freshman.
He's not starting at Kentucky.

He'd have a shot at 20+ mins/game here this year - his competition at Rutgers right now for that 3rd guard slot is Jamichael Davis - who seems like a non-shooter. AND Hart is 6'5" so he'd have a shot at some minutes at the 3, where our only 3 right now is Griffiths
That’s true. But if Davis is a strong defender that will carry weight with Pike. I think his stock in the portal will be higher if he gets 12-15 minutes at UK vs. 15-17 minutes at RU. Perception wise, UK still Carries the blue blood branding. We’re not there yet.
 
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That’s true. But if Davis is a strong defender that will carry weight with Pike. I think his stock in the portal will be higher if he gets 12-15 minutes at UK vs. 15-17 minutes at RU. Perception wise, UK still Carries the blue blood branding. We’re not there yet.
Good points. It's a sign of these crazy times that many of these kids must be thinking of which initial school will be the best fit to set them up for the portal.
 
We should be going after Kruz Perrot-Hunt from South Dakota

40+% 3 pt shooter, looking to take a step up in competition and a grad transfer. Way better fit than a true freshman.
 
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I wasn't thinking of him as a high enough rated player to think he's getting P5 starter minutes as a Freshman.
He'bit.s not starting at Kentucky.

He'd have a shot at 20+ mins/game here this year - his competition at Rutgers right now for that 3rd guard slot is Jamichael Davis - who seems like a non-shooter. AND Hart is 6'5" so he'd have a shot at some minutes at the 3, where our only 3 right now is Griffiths
I don't believe Davis is a non shooter at all - reminds me of Teng a little bit.
 
You think? Ideally we’ll have Dylan, Ace, Somerville, Simpson, GG and Mag back. Hopefully Davis shows promise too. Why would he want to come here in that situation?
As a freshman maybe. Then Dylan is gone. The odds of Rutgers bringing in multiple 5 stars every year is extremely low. Its virtually a lock at Kentucky

Ace sommerville and Mag don't play remotely the same position so not sure why they are relevant
 
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I don't believe Davis is a non shooter at all - reminds me of Teng a little bit.
Non-3-point shooter is a better way to put it. I've seen highlights with him scoring 20+ and not taking a 3.
That was in the context of - I don't think Davis and Hart would be competing for playing time because they have different skill sets.
 
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As a freshman maybe. Then Dylan is gone. The odds of Rutgers bringing in multiple 5 stars every year is extremely low. Its virtually a lock at Kentucky

Ace sommerville and Mag don't play remotely the same position so not sure why they are relevant
Because in positionless basketball, its all about aggregate available minutes. I don’t think kids think years down the line anymore. At RU, the kid doesn’t see a sure path to more than 20 min over the next 2 years and he’s probably not choosing us if UK is an option for comparable PT this year. Just the way it is.
 
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I wasn't thinking of him as a high enough rated player to think he's getting P5 starter minutes as a Freshman.
He's not starting at Kentucky.

He'd have a shot at 20+ mins/game here this year - his competition at Rutgers right now for that 3rd guard slot is Jamichael Davis - who seems like a non-shooter. AND Hart is 6'5" so he'd have a shot at some minutes at the 3, where our only 3 right now is Griffiths
JaMichael Davis is not a non-shooter, and Harper and Ace aren't 2 and 3 in the class without the ability to shoot. Summerville can step out and shoot it also. Hart shoots 40% ( if that's even accurate) against lower level competition.
 
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Where is the big from North Dakota State headed ?

Not a need here but a good player from what I saw even though it was limited.

Sometimes you can tell about guys watching them for 10-15 minutes. I thought he was one of those guys.
 
JaMichael Davis is not a non-shooter, and Harper and Ace aren't 2 and 3 in the class without the ability to shoot. Summerville can step out and shoot it also. Hart shoots 40% ( if that's even accurate) against lower level competition.
Of all the highlights of those three how many catch and shoots (no dribble) have you seen?
 
Where is the big from North Dakota State headed ?

Not a need here but a good player from what I saw even though it was limited.

Sometimes you can tell about guys watching them for 10-15 minutes. I thought he was one of those guys.
Alabama
 
We should be going after Kruz Perrot-Hunt from South Dakota

40+% 3 pt shooter, looking to take a step up in competition and a grad transfer. Way better fit than a true freshman.
That kid would be wise to be very selective on how far he steps up in competition.

Against Mississippi State, BYU, Oral Roberts, Sam Houston State and Wisconsin he only made 29.2 percent of his threes.

Against Mississippi State, Wisconsin and Oral Roberts he only made 21.4 percent.

Against Summit League level defenders he's lights out at 50 percent.
 
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Of all the highlights of those three how many catch and shoots (no dribble) have you seen?
Ace and Harper don't, but they certainly can, and again, watching Hart shoot from the foul line, I'm not sure I buy that 40% number. Form looks OK to me, not great.
 
Ace and Harper don't, but they certainly can, and again, watching Hart shoot from the foul line, I'm not sure I buy that 40% number. Form looks OK to me, not great.
They don't, but they certainly can? How do you know?

Something like 2/3 of jump shots in D1 hoops are catch and shoots and I forget the exact numbers but it's something like 1 point per shot for catch and shoots, vs 0.75 for dribble into jump shots.

It's a tremendously important skill that it doesn't seem like there is video of Ace, Harper or Davis demonstrating. I'm not knocking them as players just pointing out that they need to have teammates with that skill.

I don't like Hart's form either, that over-the-head style seems like a lot of movement and out of line of sight.
 
They don't, but they certainly can? How do you know?

Something like 2/3 of jump shots in D1 hoops are catch and shoots and I forget the exact numbers but it's something like 1 point per shot for catch and shoots, vs 0.75 for dribble into jump shots.

It's a tremendously important skill that it doesn't seem like there is video of Ace, Harper or Davis demonstrating. I'm not knocking them as players just pointing out that they need to have teammates with that skill.

I don't like Hart's form either, that over-the-head style seems like a lot of movement and out of line of sight.
So Ace and Harper will be one and done but they can't catch and shoot just because it's not shown in their highlights? I like most of your posts but that's pretty absurd.
 
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So Ace and Harper will be one and done but they can't catch and shoot just because it's not shown in their highlights? I like most of your posts but that's pretty absurd.
I'm including Davis too.
How many one and dones from the last 2 drafts were elite or even very good catch and shoot guys?
 
They don't, but they certainly can? How do you know?

Something like 2/3 of jump shots in D1 hoops are catch and shoots and I forget the exact numbers but it's something like 1 point per shot for catch and shoots, vs 0.75 for dribble into jump shots.

It's a tremendously important skill that it doesn't seem like there is video of Ace, Harper or Davis demonstrating. I'm not knocking them as players just pointing out that they need to have teammates with that skill.

I don't like Hart's form either, that over-the-head style seems like a lot of movement and out of line of sight.
Generally, if you can shoot pull up 3's off the dribble, you can hit set open catch and shoot 3's. Catch and shoot 3's are easier. Beyond zero concern for Ace or Dylan's ability to catch and shoot
 
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