The probability of winning a game at the RAC is much higher than winning at MSG.
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And we played Wisconsin there and lost by a point? You don’t think we win that game at the RAC. Oh yeah even Eddie upset Wisconsin at the RAC?
the supporting cast is awful and they lost games to Kennesaw State and Princeton. Bad luck maybe but its everything else too
games on espn are not regional either...i think the benefit of playing at msg is overstated....people care about winning and what your record is and if you are making the ncaa tourney
be careful what you wish for as the spotlight will indeed be on Rutgers and their 2 stars and why they are 10-9
None of those things are connected.......you are placing a one game situation in the context of 31 other games, which is illogical on every level. Playing at MSG vs Michigan State on National TV is not the issue.
Scheduling Princeton at Prudential Center and playing Kennesaw State on a Sunday before a Tuesday game in Las Vegas is your argument for this season.
At the end of the day, teams play 32 to 34 games to make a resume for a NCAA tournament bid. You have 34 games to choose and pick from or complain about.
I argued years ago after Seton Hall whined to Governor Murphy that RU needed to keep playing SHU, that we should drop the series, after they cried about losing revenue and didn't want to play the game in 2020 there with no fans......then turned around and wanted the home game in 2021....as if that was RUs fault.
That was an actual impact on the NCAA discussion, we are not playing the game Sparty at Ford Field or Detroit or Pontiac Michigan, it's at MSG, where we now have 6000 more fans there than any game at the RAC with 8500 seats sold.
RU is either good enough to dance or they're not. One MSG game isn't crushing the hopes of a resume, folks.....the exaggerating needs to stop.
In the past 2 years, Chris Collins has 2 ncaa tourney appearance and 2 ncaa wins including back to back 22-12 seasons finishing tied for 2nd and tied for 3rd in the Big 10 so if that is bottom tier I will take it and run
i watch plenty of college hoops and know how it works, if you want attention you win games period on a consistent basis
That's what a losing mentality has you thinking and why most of the fanbase is conditioned to losing......I'm not here to change your mind, I'm just telling you, there's WAY more upside than any downside you're peddling on here.....it's almost as if your scared to play on a National stage out of fear we might get exposed??
If it happens, so be it....you only improve sometimes by getting embarrassed or exposed, so you can get better.
What is the upside if RU wins?? Do you think people are actually loading up Peacock to watch Ace and Dylan, when they can see them for the 1st time in person at MSG on a Saturday afternoon??
What else does a RU alum in North Jersey or Hudson County etc, have to do on a 30 degree Saturday afternoon, with no NFL or College Football on TV??
No one is arguing that, the 2 items are not connected, stop trying to tie them together. If RU was 13-6, you would have no complaints.
you brought up Chris Collins for some reason not me
thats the point...its about winning...no one gives a crap if you are playing in the Garden at 10-9.....Rutgers pissed away this opportunity here because they should be 13-6 at worst right now. Instead the focus will be how can this team be underacheiving so bad with 2 players like that. Rutgers wanted to play with the big boys and talk the talk but has proven they cannot walk the walk. Even a win vs Sparty which wouldnt surprise me still doesnt change the trajectory of the season unless RU can finish 8-3 after
Recently bias is clouding a lot of people’s judgments.
If we were a top 10 team (or, at a minimum a top 25 team starting to gel like we all thought we would be), this game would be massive proportions type big.
The garden is still the garden, we have two top five pics, media capital of the world against the Hall of Fame coach
I’ll criticize Pike for some other things, especially in regard to scheduling, but this game, especially this year, is one you simply don’t say no to
If we were a top 10 team (or, at a minimum a top 25 team starting to gel like we all thought we would be), this game would be massive proportions type big.
The garden is still the garden, we have two top five pics, media capital of the world against the Hall of Fame coach
I’ll criticize Pike for some other things, especially in regard to scheduling, but this game, especially this year, is one you simply don’t say no to
If we are really being fair all 3 were not good ideas.
Before the season without having hindsight I would have thought playing in Georgia on the way to Las Vegas was the worst of the 3.
Also being fair......
1. A loss to Kennessaw State shouldn't have been a consideration
2. A win over Princeton would be a high probability event and it being a N game perhaps helps slightly
3. Don't think many really thought (except me 😀 )NCAA wouldn't be an issue so perhaps MSU at MSG wasn't terrible idea
With all of this being said I thought going in to the season the program should have been maximizing probabilities of getting to the NCAAs. Maybe the LV tourney had to happen, but everything else should have been designed to get wins early and peak late in the season.
I would have given this team a Syracuse like schedule.
I did some research and yes CBS games get more eyeballs than I thought....I'd think CBS will see 2.3 million viewers. Maybe Round 2 Saturday 1PM game gets 7-8 million viewers. This game tucked on BTN gets 400,000 viewers
With that being said does this really move the needle. How many of the 2.3 million viewers are Michigan State fans? How many are males over the age of 45. What is the real benefit of these people watching? Ace and Dylan are not here next year
I generally agree; the real crime was scheduling Kennesaw State. That game was a losing scenario any way you slice it. Definitely an edge to MSU to play us at Garden. I remember MSU came to RAC a few years ago and we won by like 20. Unlikely to see that at Garden. In any event, the whole season has so far proven a disaster. Harper may not even play on Saturday or best case scenario goes out there hurt or sick once again. Probably going to be bloodbath. Even if Ace scores 40 we still get wrecked. Acuff, Hayes, Martini, JWill, JMike, Derkack, Ogbole are just really out of their league it seems.
I’ll tell you that pkayinf in the garden is a huge deal for the players …it was when we played in the BET ….and the BTT in 2017.
We are not losing this game because of not having a home court advantage …there will be FIFTEEN THOUSAND Rutgers fans …making that place loud and the RAC north
Lose at MSG is the same as losing in the RAC
Win this game on CBS in MSG …..is the same for winning at the RAC for the seaoan
Winning the game on CBS in MSG …is much be bigger for the program than a RAC upset
We are not losing this game because of not having a home court advantage …there will be FIFTEEN THOUSAND Rutgers fans …making that place loud and the RAC north
Lose at MSG is the same as losing in the RAC
Win this game on CBS in MSG …..is the same for winning at the RAC for the seaoan
Winning the game on CBS in MSG …is much be bigger for the program than a RAC upset
As told to me months ago by someone directly involved in the negotiations - Pike wanted to use Dylan and Ace to showcase RU. He wanted a marquis OOC matchup at MSG or major venue but his asking price was too high and he found no takers. That’s why he wound up settling for a conference game at MSG and the Vegas tournament.
he should be doing whats best for the program not 2 one year players
I was careful to write that he wanted to showcase the program. Using Dylan and Ace.
Reading comprehension was missed there. It was stated that Pike was using it as a showcase for the program
What level of conditioning would be required to have not been injured after his ankle bent 180 degrees landing on someones moving foot?
um duh the 3 weeks before with flu and recovering...he looked off the first 15 minutes of the game
Dylan’s health is torpedoing any chance for kind of a miracle run this year. Hopefully he gets healthy and we make the big tourney and something crazy happens.
Hope there’s a late push in ticket sales and MSG is close to sold out but looks like there are still a lot of seats available.
This game had potential to be a monster game but unfortunately it’s lost its luster.
I’ve been to the past 3-4 games at MSG but will be sitting this one out.
Let’s hope this is the last conference game we schedule there. Completely dumb to keep doing this and taking a home conference game away from the RAC.
Schedule a big name OOC game there like a big boy school would.
This game had potential to be a monster game but unfortunately it’s lost its luster.
I’ve been to the past 3-4 games at MSG but will be sitting this one out.
Let’s hope this is the last conference game we schedule there. Completely dumb to keep doing this and taking a home conference game away from the RAC.
Schedule a big name OOC game there like a big boy school would.
Actually it’s the losing and lack of success in any premier sport. RU fans are happy we make it to mediocre bowls year in and year out. The entire fan base was thrilled just to MAKE the NCAA tournament. RESULTS are still GARBAGE. And that is why we are Small time and will always be small time. Football and basketball we are still nobodies, and across the nation other than RU fan base, literally nobody cares we are playing @ MSG.
Maybe the RU Michigan final 4 game in Philly1976?
As of Wednesday more than 14,000 tickets had been sold, with the vast majority gobbled up by the Scarlet Knights' faithful. Attendance is likely to be north of 16,000 – one of the largest gatherings of Rutgers hoops fans ever.
March 1967: In the NIT semifinals, a sold-out Madison Square Garden doubleheader crowd of 18,499 watched Rutgers fall to Southern Illinois (led by Walt Frazier) and Marquette beat Marshall. Although most of the fans probably were there for Rutgers, it’s impossible to know how many.
Harper did not practice Wednesday after suffering a sprained ankle during Monday’s loss at Penn State. He’s expected to play Saturday barring a setback, although he’ll likely be limited in practice all week.
“Dylan muscled his way through the game, but he obviously wasn’t himself,” Pikiell said.
Center Manny Ogbole, who hurt his knee at Penn State, also did not practice Wednesday and is being evaluated day-to-day.
Rutgers basketball fans set to invade Madison Square Garden for Michigan State showdown
A look at the best-attended Rutgers basketball games on record. Plus: Will Steve Pikiell go back to Madison Square Garden in the future?www.app.com
Or, the 3/4 consolation game versus UCLA thereafter
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The fanbase was thrilled we made the tournament because it was 35 years obviously. Fans aren’t happy being mediocre. The lack of success isn’t because the fans are accepting of being mediocre. What a bunch of nonsense.
Nailed it. For us it's the Super Bowl. For them, it's Tuesday.
I'm sure there will be a significant # of MSU fans. Yes, it willl be a RU crowd (maybe 4 to 1 [?] and if it's a dogfight neutral hoops fans will pull for RU. I'd guess that at the RAC percentageswould be more like 10 to 1.
A "home court" advantage doesn' only ride on who fans are rooting for. MSG is not our home court. We will have no shooters' advantage.
Whatever chance you think we'd have of winning at the RAC (20%?) is cut in half at MSG.
A "home court" advantage doesn' only ride on who fans are rooting for. MSG is not our home court. We will have no shooters' advantage.
Whatever chance you think we'd have of winning at the RAC (20%?) is cut in half at MSG.
Rutgers support in Manhattan is understandable as New Jersey can safely claim about 50% of Manhattan as as accessible to them as those on Long Island. Total Long Island including Brooklynn and Quuens would have about 8M people to North and Central Jersey's 7M+.. pretty close.. and if you think just Suffolk and Nassau counties as Long Island it ain't close.
This will be interesting. We have the stars that people want to see.. but not the record to make it that important.
I'd love a W but at least keep it interesting.. good luck Knights.
This will be interesting. We have the stars that people want to see.. but not the record to make it that important.
I'd love a W but at least keep it interesting.. good luck Knights.
Hated that.. then I recalled how Rutgers had a Villanova grad as AD (Mulcahy) who had some problems in our lockerroom when we played 'Nova.. I forge the exact events but it was not a good look.. and then hired future HoF coach Jay Wright but let him go to Villanova (his dream school) when they opened up a spot for him rather than let him coach rival Rutgers.
And for the case above, we have a Seton Hall guy as AD. Is there any question why they could walk all over us?
Harper and Bailey are at the RAC watching Rutgers women play number one ranked UCLA.UCLA leads in second quarter 45-26
Last time I was against it because we were a tournament bubble team and dominant at home. This time...season is basically over and we don't play that great at the rac anymore so why not. Will be fun.
Went to games late 70's against UNC at MSG - which thought was a sell-out; and Holiday Festival game against Ohio St. so maybe 19,500 for both.
