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It's obvious that Laviano is ill-suited for this offense. Without a fullback in the backfield to help block on passing plays he's rushing his throws and too often throwing off his back foot causing too many throws to sail or locking on a receiver. A poster a while ago ( I don't recall whom) made a very insightful comment--Laviano is very comfortable in practices when he knows he won't be hit but once the lights are turned on , he is not comfortable sitting in the pocket. And with no ability to run the ball , teams key on the remaining back and stuff the run, especially in the first quarter.
If Odin is the quarterback of the future then the future is now. After three games against good , bad and mediocre competition it's doubtful Laviano will get much better. They need production from the QB position and they're not going to get it with Laviano.
 
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jonS said:
It's obvious that Laviano is ill-suited for this offense. Without a fullback in the backfield to help block on passing plays he's rushing his throws and too often throwing off his back foot causing too many throws to sail or locking on a receiver. A poster a while ago ( I don't recall whom) made a very insightful comment--Laviano is very comfortable in practices when he knows he won't be hit but once the lights are turned on , he is not comfortable sitting in the pocket. And with no ability to run the ball , teams key on the remaining back and stuff the run, especially in the first quarter.
If Odin is the quarterback of the future then the future is now. After three games against good , bad and mediocre competition it's doubtful Laviano will get much better. They need production from the QB position and they're not going to get it with Laviano.
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Yes he just can't move and he can't throw but need s need a qb
 
Unfortunately I believe Ash and Meminger believe that but just don't have anyone else at the moment. Rutgers has had several top QB commits de-committ over the past several years and now it's starting to show.
 
He's a much better fit for the pro set than the spread, and Ash should have gone with a modified scheme this season that would have utilized his skill set.
 
jonS said:
Unfortunately I believe Ash and Meminger believe that but just don't have anyone else at the moment. Rutgers has had several top QB commits de-committ over the past several years and now it's starting to show.
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Philip Nelson (yeah him) is not a dual threat QB, but he is lighting it up at ECU. 44/58 for 400 yards today against South Carolina. Problem is 1 TD and INTs. But he can throw the ball. . . .
 
I find him maddening... he's good for 1-3 key throws a game-- and has been pretty horrible otherwise...
but, while he's made horrible mistakes... he's done just enough good that he's probably still the best option we have.

Gio and Oden have thrown a grand total of 0 passes and Allen a grand total of the worst near interception in the history of football....

As long as these game are close -- I don't think we see much time by Oden/Allen/Gio....
 
jonS said:
Unfortunately I believe Ash and Meminger believe that but just don't have anyone else at the moment. Rutgers has had several top QB commits de-committ over the past several years and now it's starting to show.
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Which de-commits are we talking about. Russo would not have been a good fit for this offense.
 
Proud NJ Sports Fan said:
Disagree, you don't modify an offense for a mediocre at best QB
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Agree, A 10yd route is the same in a Pro set as a spread option set. If you can't hit it in one offense another one isn't going to make you more accurate. He was way off the mark today and pretty much has been in every game so far this season. I have no idea what is going on with him, but sometimes it looks like it's his 1st time ever throwing a football.
 
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DJ Spanky said:
He's a much better fit for the pro set than the spread, and Ash should have gone with a modified scheme this season that would have utilized his skill set.
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This is the modified offense. At least as much as you can while holding true to your core beliefs. It's more important to show recruits your system. We would have likely win no more games if we stayed with a full pro set.

We need a dynamic QB. We don't have one currently seeing time.
 
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A lot of times he has problems putting the ball in a position for the receiver to have the best chance of making the catch, especially on passes that require a real degree of touch.

On the first RU TD he threw a great long ball, but then proceeded to be a factor in killing off some promising drives by not being able to move the chains via relatively short throws. He'd either sail it or throw it behind the guy he was trying to hit.

I have no idea how solid his status as starter may be, but he's really inconsistent, and that's not a good thing with the B1G schedule we have ahead of us.
 
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The kid must be the greatest practice player in the history of college football. Why do I say this? Because I find it impossible to believe that none of the other quarterbacks on the roster can make those 5 to 10 yard throws that Laviano simply cannot make during a game.
 
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jonS said:
It's obvious that Laviano is ill-suited for this offense. Without a fullback in the backfield to help block on passing plays he's rushing his throws and too often throwing off his back foot causing too many throws to sail or locking on a receiver. A poster a while ago ( I don't recall whom) made a very insightful comment--Laviano is very comfortable in practices when he knows he won't be hit but once the lights are turned on , he is not comfortable sitting in the pocket. And with no ability to run the ball , teams key on the remaining back and stuff the run, especially in the first quarter.
If Odin is the quarterback of the future then the future is now. After three games against good , bad and mediocre competition it's doubtful Laviano will get much better. They need production from the QB position and they're not going to get it with Laviano.
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Laviano isn't a good QB for any offense at any college level. Play the backups.
 
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rurahrah000 said:
Which de-commits are we talking about. Russo would not have been a good fit for this offense.
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I recall there was a top QB from Michigan that decommitted and then went to Iowa. Rutgers then signed Ruscigno
 
Laviano is only starting this year by default right now. Hopefully coaches will be more willing to give Odin or Gio time as they get more familiar with offense.

His throws were terrible in any system.
 
His throws when moving were terrible yesterday
Only one that I remember hit the receiver in stride where the receiver could get YAC
Majority were incomplete
 
DJ Spanky said:
He's a much better fit for the pro set than the spread, and Ash should have gone with a modified scheme this season that would have utilized his skill set.
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He's an inaccurate passer no matter what the scheme is and that's not going to change
 
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RU#1fan said:
He won't be the starter at Colgate. 2nd team most likely.
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RU-Kidding said:
He's an inaccurate passer no matter what the scheme is and that's not going to change
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His statistics last year belie these two statements.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/547549/year/2015/chris-laviano

He was serviceable, but not great in the pro-style offense with a 60% completion percentage. And he did respectably against PSU and MSU. Where did he get hammered? Against tOSU, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nebraska. It's pretty obvious he is not good under pressure or on the run.
 
AreYouNUTS said:
The kid must be the greatest practice player in the history of college football. Why do I say this? Because I find it impossible to believe that none of the other quarterbacks on the roster can make those 5 to 10 yard throws that Laviano simply cannot make during a game.
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Well, we saw Allen throw the ball and he was pretty bad too. I am still wondering if Rettig pissed off this coaching staff.
 
Knight Shift said:
His statistics last year belie these two statements.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/547549/year/2015/chris-laviano

He was serviceable, but not great in the pro-style offense with a 60% completion percentage. And he did respectably against PSU and MSU. Where did he get hammered? Against tOSU, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nebraska. It's pretty obvious he is not good under pressure or on the run.
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Nobody cares about last year - Caroo isn't around to catch all those under bad passes anymore - he looked like he had mackey sasser or chuck knobloch disease throwing the short routes yesterday
 
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Nobody cares about last year - Caroo isn't around to catch all those under bad passes anymore - he looked like he had makey sasser or chuck knobloch disease throwing the short routes yesterday
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You sound like a three year old kid.
He was serviceable last year. Not good, but serviceable. He is not a fit for this offense.
 
AreYouNUTS said:
The kid must be the greatest practice player in the history of college football. Why do I say this? Because I find it impossible to believe that none of the other quarterbacks on the roster can make those 5 to 10 yard throws that Laviano simply cannot make during a game.
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Kind of funny to see your signature under this post saying (albeit jokingly) that everyone must blindly support Ash. It's his decision to start Laviano game after game, isn't it?
 
Last two years, Carroo covered a lot of deficiencies. It was obvious when he was suspended how much worse the offense ran, because there was nobody there to bail us out on poorly thrown passes.
 
I'm mystified as to how this staff thinks they're going to effectively run an Urban Meyer style power spread offense with a QB that isn't a good runner. That's the fundamental basis of the offense. The running game will be completely ineffective against any good B1G defense.
 
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Kind of funny to see your signature under this post saying (albeit jokingly) that everyone must blindly support Ash. It's his decision to start Laviano game after game, isn't it?
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Like I said: Laviano must look phenomenal in practice. Get it?

BTW - I don't blindly support, however, just like I did the first 16 months or so that Flood was head coach, I completely support the hiring of Ash and will until I am 100% something isn't right:working. As of now I'm not concerned in the least.
 
I dont understand why dont include some Pre-set offense schemes to accomodate the current talent (CL and Rettig). I'm not a fan of the "chuck and duck" spread offense. If that is the long term plan with this staff, then ease into it as you recruit the right players for the new system.
 
I have watched every throw laviano made this year on recording at least once.

It's pretty simple...when he has a clean pocket and steps into the throw ...he is fine. the bomb to Harris in the first quarter is an example. He still doesn't have great zip on the ball...but it gets there:

But when he is rushed or feels pressure he is a mechanical disaster and the ball is all over the place....

There are many times he doesn't set because he avoids the big hit...you need to plant the foot and stand tall and make the throw...and he shies away from the contact and the mechanics go to hell and the ball is way off target

These trends are still there as a 4th year junior...they aren't going away
 
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I have watched every throw laviano made this year on recording at least once.

It's pretty simple...when he has a clean pocket and steps into the throw ...he is fine. the bomb to Harris in the first quarter is an example. He still doesn't have great zip on the ball...but it gets there:

But when he is rushed or feels pressure he is a mechanical disaster and the ball is all over the place....

There are many times he doesn't set because he avoids the big hit...you need to plant the foot and stand tall and make the throw...and he shies away from the contact and the mechanics go to hell and the ball is way off target

These trends are still there as a 4th year junior...they aren't going away
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If anything, Laviano looks more uncertain in the pocket. Without a fullback to block on passing plays , he hurries his throws even more.
 
You guys need to understand that modifying the offense this year is the worse thing we can do

Get the offense in. The more players who can learn it the way it is supposed to be run now the better we will be later

Yes there are a lot of square pegs in round holes this year but we will be much better off sucking it up and putting it in....

We have an OC who knows what he is doing...got to let him put it in

The Horses to run it are on the way
 
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