is one of the best coached teams I’ve seen this year. The ball movement and quick decision making is phenomenal also.
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Moser has had a few head coaching jobs, but never with this level of success. Often what it takes is getting a group of guys who can play a bit, but buy in to the coaching philosophy. It is clear these kids have bought in.
What I find fascinating is how they almost never go through the motions on offense. Even though they usually work the shot clock they are always jab stepping, attacking the defender, cutting with a purpose. That is why they get so many good shots, they make the defense work very hard for the whole shot clock. Most teams that work the clock stand around.
Loyola won't have better players very long. Their coach will leave,they will likely still be in the same conference,play in a pretty small facility,and still be getting Big Ten and other schools leftover recruits.Rutgers has a very good coach and recruiter,great new practice center,endless national TV coverage,and likely a renovated arena in the near future.The only minor program that seems to have made it long term is Gonzaga.Other minor schools like Princeton,Penn,Richmond,George Mason,etc.have their one year or so,then disappear.Very likely,Loyola in five years will join that remember when group. Even so,I do like seeing the minor schools go on these runs as long as they do not knock outa Big Ten school.
I suspect that all the teams in the elite 8 have better players than RU
The execution on offense is very impressive.The players show no fear in a pressure NCAA Tournament environment.Their ability to get to the basket for uncontested layups is remarkable.
This is absolutely stunning.
I think what makes this team is their big man is very skilled.
I think what makes this team is their big man is very skilled.
I can't remember when I have enjoyed watching a team more.
Porter Moser is a coaching genius. Recruit players who are willing to play team ball and willing to be drilled, out of the spotlight, for endless hours in the basics. Hard to imagine the very top recruits willing to play in Moser's system.
Why not at Rutgers?
Porter Moser is a coaching genius. Recruit players who are willing to play team ball and willing to be drilled, out of the spotlight, for endless hours in the basics. Hard to imagine the very top recruits willing to play in Moser's system.
Why not at Rutgers?
It doesn’t hurt that they’d almost always have 4 guys on the court who can shoot 40% from 3 and drive to the basket off the dribble. Not many teams even in P5 can say that.
Kind of a crappy way to belittle their accomplishment. Especially coming from a fan of a school which has not won a NCAA tournament game since 1983. Loyola Chicago has won 4 this year.
They not only run their offense and get good shots, they knock those shots down because they have real shooters. They also have a big man who can actually score in the post, which opens the floor for drives and open 3s. We've seen it time and time again. If you can shoot, you have a chance to win every game. If you can't shoot, your chances of beating anyone are slim to none.
Doesn't hurt that they have guys who can hit open 3 point shots and dribble drive into the paint. Moser would seem to be in line for an upgrade if he wants it.
But for the moment, the Ramblers are doing just fine the way they are now with the type of teamwork Moser has taught his players to play and how they took that to heart in order to be where they're at right now.
Looking at what LOC might lose just takes away from what they have right now.
Know you're being realistic, I'm just being sentimental and trying to enjoy the moment.
I wouldn’t necessarily say Posner is going to leave after this run. The last group of coaches that made memorable runs to the Final Four stuck around after.
Jim Larranega stayed at George Mason for 5 years after the Final Four Run then took the Miami job.
Shaka Smart stayed at VCU for 4 years after his Final Four then took the Texas job.
Brad Stevens stayed at Butler for 2 years after his back to back NCAA Finals then took the Boston Celtics job. The word was he wasn’t leaving for just any job so it is possible that he’d still be at Butler if he didn’t take the Celtics job as no real blue blood job has been open since 2013.
Gregg Marshall is still at Wichita State 5 years after making the Final Four.
While the MVC has lost some good teams, it is still a conference that produces some very good teams.
ADs won’t forget about Posner and it isn’t like he will forget how to coach if he sticks around. They have a number of underclassmen that contribute and no doubt a Final Four run will help with recruiting and resources. It would be foolish for him to jump ship for a mediocre job like Pittsburgh. He will have better choices if he waits.
Jim Larranega stayed at George Mason for 5 years after the Final Four Run then took the Miami job.
Shaka Smart stayed at VCU for 4 years after his Final Four then took the Texas job.
Brad Stevens stayed at Butler for 2 years after his back to back NCAA Finals then took the Boston Celtics job. The word was he wasn’t leaving for just any job so it is possible that he’d still be at Butler if he didn’t take the Celtics job as no real blue blood job has been open since 2013.
Gregg Marshall is still at Wichita State 5 years after making the Final Four.
While the MVC has lost some good teams, it is still a conference that produces some very good teams.
ADs won’t forget about Posner and it isn’t like he will forget how to coach if he sticks around. They have a number of underclassmen that contribute and no doubt a Final Four run will help with recruiting and resources. It would be foolish for him to jump ship for a mediocre job like Pittsburgh. He will have better choices if he waits.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm really enjoying Loyola's run, but you could argue the run is happening because they are in the Missouri Valley Conference. Would they have finished top 4 in the big? I say no, they don't have the depth/bench to play a full Power 5 schedule at this level of over-achievement. That said I'm only pulling for Michigan because of the BIG, otherwise I'm all in for the Rmblers.
Yes, but it doesn't hurt to have Richardson and Custer consistently knocking down threes.
That's not exactly a foregone conclusion. Gonzaga got better after their initial Cinderella status and became a power after the previous coach left. Some of those other programs are still successful. The dynamics of college basketball have changed. The blueblood programs are putting together one and done all-star teams, but they aren't building continuity. It's easier to build a winning program at a place like Loyola/Chicago than it is at a place like Pitt, or RU for that matter.
The Missouri Valley Conference is a pretty good league. People used to say the same thing about Wichita State.
What does it matter if they’d finish top 4 in the Big 10? They are now guaranteed to finish top 4 in the entire NCAA.
Since 2009 the Missouri Valley Conference has produced more NCAA Final Four teams than the PAC 12 and as many as the Big 12.
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Wichita State (then a member of the MVC) annihilated Kansas in the second round of the NCAA Tournament not that long ago. That might be one big reason Kansas never wanted to play them.
So they're one of the 4 best teams in the land, that's how it works? I'm saying a 21-5 regular season performance in the MVC might not get them in the tournament from a Power 5 conference. They have this chance because they won the MVC.
This is the same thought process used in football that doesn’t allow teams like UCF to compete for the national championship and allow Alabama who couldn’t even get to their conference championship to win the whole darn thing.
Yes that is how it works.
Arizona State finished 8th in a P5 league. Syracuse was under .500 in a P5 league. You seem to be suggesting that they are more deserving of participating in the NCAA tournament than Loyola-Chicago.
The conference argument is stupid and runs counter to the whole concept of the NCAA Tournament. If Loyola-Chicago was in a P5 conference they’d have access to more P5 talent and resources. Plenty of P5 teams are garbage with that access, just like plenty of teams are very good without that access.
Take off your P5 blinders, it isn’t relevant for basketball.
I'm not certain that there are that many teams in a Power 5 that Loyola couldn't consistently beat year in and year out. You could say the same about past "Cinderellas" Like Butler, Gonzaga, and Wichita State.
What do you mean by "year in and year out"? Loyola has been below .500 in their conference every single season prior to this one since 2006-7. Are you saying that their team this season is good enough to beat most teams in most seasons?
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