I'm losing faith in Pikiell
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I hear ya. I'm just wondering whether or not the coaching staff believes this group has the correct defensive mindset. Could be the real issue
Pike is an elite defensive college coach, there’s no one better in the country.
His current team lacks the ABILITY to compete defensively.
We will be destroyed on the boards all year and give up wide open 3s with regularity.
No amount of coaching is going to change it.
I don’t think effort has anything to do with it.
His current team lacks the ABILITY to compete defensively.
We will be destroyed on the boards all year and give up wide open 3s with regularity.
No amount of coaching is going to change it.
I don’t think effort has anything to do with it.
We will be better by the end of the season but I don’t see us making strides fast enough. The big ten season could be pretty brutal.
Our closeouts are horrible. Sometimes, guys are a step late, sometimes they are out on them, but close out with low hands. I know Pike is teaching this as look at his teams in the past, but it doesn't seem to be sticking with this crew and they have a lot of bad habits. You can see Dylan has way better defensive habits than Ace or Lathan even know he's not lockdown or anything. As a high school coach, you can see how bad some of these kids are coached on the defensive end and how bad some of their habits are if you don't drill them everyday on certain things.
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You’ve watched Bailey’s body language, feel for the game and natural anticipation for a few games now.
Have you seen anything that suggests to you he will ever rebound against the elite competition we play against in the B1G
Most likely not. Against Merimack he had glimpses where he crashed the boards but that was all jumping ability. I haven't seen him or many others block out or get physical at all. Unless Ace is flying over others to rebound (when he feels like doing that) he's not exerting himself on that end of the court as of now. And if he's not rebounding, we are going to get crushed on the boards just based on our personnel.
disagree with these 2 sentences.
I do know there have been times in Pike's regime where we have gone through bad patches and EVERYTIME the solution was to play guys that defend. This time he can't sit Ace (and Dylan if needed).
After losing to Depaul Lafayette and UMASS what did Pike do.......he burned Jalen Miller's red shirt and reduced roles of 4 star Jaden Jones and top transfer Hyatt. 3 games later we beat Purdue with Jalen Miller playing a big part.
Our D right now looks similar (bit worse) as that team.
After beating Purdue we still put up 2 stinkers defensively after that, but we eventually righted the ship and got very good on D.
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I saw something from Ace that I saw from Gavin. His body facing the wrong way playing help defense.
I would love to argue this point, but I fear you may be spot on when it comes to the ability aspect to compete defensively and rebound. Similar to how last year’s ability lacked the ability to shoot and score, these guys may lack the ability just in a different area.
Well no one's denying that. He resurrected a program that had one and a half feet in the grave and made it so that we're frustrated with games like yesterday damaging our tournament resume again. In the 20 years prior, we'd all shrug our shoulders and move on with our days. The games mean more now and we have him to thank for that.
But to be fair, he gets plenty of slack. He was just given an 8-year, $31M extension prior to last season. Beat Fordham, Bryant, St. Bonaventure and Kennesaw St, please.
Beginning to think this may be true. Pike is not a complete coach! His recruiting is suspect. Has his ceiling been reached? I think so. With his philosophy we will never get beyond maybe making the dance occasionally.
Big guy in the middle could change the course of games, even when he didn’t score.disagree with these 2 sentences.
I do know there have been times in Pike's regime where we have gone through bad patches and EVERYTIME the solution was to play guys that defend. This time he can't sit Ace (and Dylan if needed).
After losing to Depaul Lafayette and UMASS what did Pike do.......he burned Jalen Miller's red shirt and reduced roles of 4 star Jaden Jones and top transfer Hyatt. 3 games later we beat Purdue with Jalen Miller playing a big part.
Our D right now looks similar (bit worse) as that team.
After beating Purdue we still put up 2 stinkers defensively after that, but we eventually righted the ship and got very good on D.
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Cliff had some super human defensive efforts while at RU.
At his best he altered the most 3 point shots hedging and still blocked shots and rebounded.
No longer here, his defensive impact on his strong games can’t be duplicated
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I just don't see how this is possible when we have probably the best pure athletes we've ever seen. What is the ability they are lacking? Brains? Heart? Athletes this good should be coachable.
Easiest way to explain it is we allow to much time and space.
When you give it on the defensive end you usually get it on the offensive end.
They go hand in hand.
Why do we allow time and space, it starts in the half court where opposing guards aren’t pressured until they get to the top of the key
This team is not rebounding and playing defense with energy and intensity. Physically they can, but do they have it in them, I don’t know. Rutgers is not a small team. But as they say, it is not how big the dog is in the fight, it’s how big the fight is in the dog. In past years, we could almost always count on Pikiel’s teams to be tough defensive minded players. As Purdue’s coach said, if you had to go to war you would want to stop at Rutgers to bring those players along with you. Hope Pikiel can find some way to bring out the fight in this year’s players.
Defense is a mindset. A clear willingness to make the effort
When we look back at the 7-8 year run of elite to very good defenses the 1 constant was Myles and Cliff. I was hoping I was overestimating their impact. My fear is I wasn't.
Defense in basketball starts at the perimeter. So far, with the exception of JWill, the backcourt is doing a terrible job
He has the talent and pure athleticism to go up and jump and get every rebound. He doesn’t seem like he wants to jump and rebound or block shots which deserves a stern chat with Pike and staff. He doesn’t want to get fouls and it shows. If Ace would rebound and just take it and go , a lot of our defensive rebounding would be solved.
Roster construction is Pikes job. The guy is a good coach and has certainly done a good job overall. But we haven't made the tourney in 2 years and I'll be shocked if we make it this year based on our roster ( lack of size/ athleticism ) and schedule ..... Anything less then March Madness should be unacceptable to this fan base this year....Which would put Pike on the hot seat next year..
One addendum to my last post. I'd try to get grant and Dortch on the floor as soon as possible ( if they are remotely ready) we need length on the wings
This thread is pure comedy. One early season two point loss with a mix of freshman and new faces trying to gel and the pitchforks come out. LOL. The first coach to have us ranked and in the NCAA's in years and the best recruiting class ever seen at RU. Have some perspective for goodness sakes.
It's going to be hysterical when we have a sub par roster trying to win in the Big 10 every night, and college basketball fans start asking why the hell did Ace and Dylan choose RU.....hope that never comes to fruition. But if you don't think it's a possibility you are asleep at the wheel..
I am a numbers guy....Doorson and Carter were awful. There was a STEEP drop off from Myles to those 2. Numbers measured by points per possession when they were in
Quite obviously you haven’t read my posts that state Pike is a superior defensive coach, always has been always will be.
I'm referring to the posters calling for Pike's job or saying he doesn't know how to coach. He can coach offense too but you need players with skills that can dribble, pass, shoot and create shots for themselves. I don't care what coach is considered an offensive guru but if you don't have scorers and playmakers your offense won't look good.
If you don't have skilled offensive players then you have to play great D, rebound and not turn the ball over. For years we haven't had many truly good offensive players so defense was our calling card. Now we do and the offense is much more productive than in the past. We still have alot of new faces trying to jell and find roles so it's not always going to look pretty but the offense is still much improved vs last season.
I am wondering if you knew (or were aware) the answer to my trivia question in the other thread.
College Hoops Notes - Food for Thought and Oddities
So, some reflections on the very early, way too small sample size, of the college season so far: 1) Early season college basketball often has many oddities ... specifically, teams often struggle. The key for an NCAA bid down the road is to SURVIVE and somehow fund a way to win to avoid a bad...
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lol Greenie,I am wondering if you knew (or were aware) the answer to my trivia question in the other thread.
College Hoops Notes - Food for Thought and Oddities
So, some reflections on the very early, way too small sample size, of the college season so far: 1) Early season college basketball often has many oddities ... specifically, teams often struggle. The key for an NCAA bid down the road is to SURVIVE and somehow fund a way to win to avoid a bad...
I’ll answer it in the other thread😊
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