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Gross gets pinned. I thought Marinelli was Iowas' MVP.
RU had shots, but with no Ashnault and Lewis losing, that was all she wrote.
Pre season excitment will drift away now, for a while. Tough for the big crowd to watch .
RU had shots, but with no Ashnault and Lewis losing, that was all she wrote.
Pre season excitment will drift away now, for a while. Tough for the big crowd to watch .
Gross is really overmatched against top heavies. We were spoiled with Russo and Smith for their period here.
Tough loss. Too many holes and if Lewis doesn’t get down to 157 he won’t be on podium.
Focus on March. They not a good dual team. If Suriano can win it, Lewis can get 3rd to 8th at 157. Hopefully Ash can get healthy and get back on the podium and you have 3 AAs with a possible champ. Scott may sneak in to the 8th spot and get 4 AAs.
I don’t see Gravina making any noise his year. Obvious the shoulder an issue and he can’t get after it like he used to because he doesn’t trust it.
IMO
Focus on March. They not a good dual team. If Suriano can win it, Lewis can get 3rd to 8th at 157. Hopefully Ash can get healthy and get back on the podium and you have 3 AAs with a possible champ. Scott may sneak in to the 8th spot and get 4 AAs.
I don’t see Gravina making any noise his year. Obvious the shoulder an issue and he can’t get after it like he used to because he doesn’t trust it.
IMO
Gravina is a borderline round of 12 wrestler. tough as nails. Will be in most matches, but the top 8-10 guys just too savvy and quick for him. He might out muscle some if he stays healthy.
Need hi caliber wrestlers. You win and they will come. Right now you have 2 hi caliber guys, Suriano and Ash which sucks since he’s hurt his senior yr. Need to get more of them guys. Keep the best of NJ in state and grab an out of state gem once in a while.
They have a bunch of grinder type kids but that don’t cut it in this conference
I like Goodale and hope he keeps plugging away
Agree 100%. That being said if Gravina didn’t have the shoulder issues (which won’t go away). I think he could have gotten as hi as 8
Bad job. Without Suriano this would be our worst team in years. Smith, Perroti. Theobold were all guys that developed. We have nothing of the sort now. Program is going backwards.
Goodale brought this program to this point but it seems like it has stalled. Aside from Suriano we don’t have any sure fire studs. Really worried about he next couple of years
Goodale brought this program to this point but it seems like it has stalled. Aside from Suriano we don’t have any sure fire studs. Really worried about he next couple of years
I think if Goodale can keep Lewis focused (and at 157) he has a good chance of AA, Del Vecchio has a decent chance of AA too, and Gravina could make round of 12 again even have a shot at AA himself.
And nobody knows what's going on with Ashnault as well.
Things could look a lot different, maybe for the better, by the time The Big 10 Tourny rolls around.
Of course, things could go bad too, lol
Way too pessimistic. Our starters wrestled well. We win that dual if Richie and Grello win and they were close bouts. I think Grello was the better wrestler and I like his potential. He just made a few tactical errors and needs a bit more urgency on bottom. Marinelli is very good and was too big for Richie. Richie can either commit to the cut to 157 or build to 165. With more muscle Richie’s blast double works there. I think he should cut down but we are a stronger dual team with JVB at 157 and Richie at 165. Should be interesting. My main concern is Gross. He is going through a tough stretch and looks frustrated. Hopefully he can get some wins under his belt and build his confidence. Good job by MVB to wrestle aggressive but smart. Have a good weekend everyone.
I don't think Grello was the better wrestler, and Marinelli swatted away Lewis's weak leg shots like a gnat.
Key word in my post was “great.” I didn’t say we were going to be bad. We’re just not going to be great. Unfortunately without AA that hurts us a lot
HUH?:confused: We just went toe to toe with the #7 team in the nation. A team not too long ago where we'd be lucky to win a match, let alone 4 with two close loses. We're not a team which can just plug in the best freshman in the country and say let's roll. We still need to develop these kids like Perroti and Theobold. Some kids are being thrown into the fire because of injury, underperformance or other issues by seniors. We'll be fine without your ill spent money.
On a brighter note: Glasgow was in attendance tonight. My friends son wrestled with him in high school, so they talked for a little before the match. If grades are in order he's still ours.
Goodale and his match management remain a problem. DelV should have been cutting early and often to get a tech. Every point was critical in this dual and he could have gotten a tech. But the staff was encouraging him to ride.
Lewis killed the team twice tonight. By vacating 157 and by losing at 165. The staff has to get him with the program.
Grello. Goodale wasted his challenge on a call he was never going to win. Later, when he could have used a challenge successfully, none was there.
Gravina. Right instincts in first period. Asks coaching staff if he should cut his opponent. Staff says no. Should have said yes.
I have four weight classes where poor in-match coaching hurt the team.
Btw, Iowa is very, very weak this year. I'd be hugely surprised to see them at #7 for very long. 125, 133, 141, 174, 184 are not very good. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back for sticking close to them. This is the year to beat them. Opportunity wasted.
Lewis killed the team twice tonight. By vacating 157 and by losing at 165. The staff has to get him with the program.
Grello. Goodale wasted his challenge on a call he was never going to win. Later, when he could have used a challenge successfully, none was there.
Gravina. Right instincts in first period. Asks coaching staff if he should cut his opponent. Staff says no. Should have said yes.
I have four weight classes where poor in-match coaching hurt the team.
Btw, Iowa is very, very weak this year. I'd be hugely surprised to see them at #7 for very long. 125, 133, 141, 174, 184 are not very good. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back for sticking close to them. This is the year to beat them. Opportunity wasted.
DelV should have got a tech?? I was pleasantly surprised he was able to gut out a bonus win for the team. Like I said, it was the best start from 25-149 we coulda asked for... fell apart at 57 and 65 and that momentum loss caused us to lose 74 imo.. and eventually the match
We have a handful of guys who have true shots at all-American. More than ever. It's part of building a true program. It's about creating a culture that goes on for years after this regime is done. Right now, if you're a starter on Rutgers wrestling team, you're expected to compete for all-American status -- that's a higher level than this program has ever seen before
That Bull guy he was wrestling didn't get that nickname for no reason... he has a motor and kept going at it... Agreed Lewis be better at 57
Well karma is a bitch isn't it...coaches let Richie dictate where he wants to wrestle and it bites Them in the ass...to disrespect JVB the way they did was disgraceful ...so which weight is he gonna stick with 157 or 165!....to hang our 165 guy out to dry because he didn't wanna make weight sucks ...not to mention Donner getting throw to wolves ...I was there by the way ..the air was sucked out of the room when Richie lost ...everyone in my area was pissed at the way this went down so call me a troll if needed ..this troll wasn't alone in his disgust with the way this went down...
In the post match interview, Goodale said there was a lot of communication during the week and that JVB was ON BOARD with this move.... clearly it didn't work out... Personally, I woulda much rather prefer giving RL a shot at Kem and have JVB wrestle Bull... It was a chess move to try to wash 57-65 that didn't work out..... Clearly Donner isn't ready either.... RL and JVB will probably go back to their normal weights.
Again you need a history lesson. Just 12 years ago this entire program was O so close to being nonexistent. It was on the chomping block and many in positions of power considered it the logical move to disband the program. Then for years after that they only had a 3.4 scholarship allotment at their disposal. With a head coaching salary of $65,000. Then finally just last year we became fully funded.
So yea any day we have 6,754 fans in the stands watching us wrestle the #7 team in the nation in a close match is a day to pat ourselves on the back. Are we satisfied with this outcome, no. Do we have to continue to progress, yes. Once you review history it puts things in perspective of how far we've come in such a short period of time. You may want to put this program down any chance you get, but I am very proud of how far they've come.
match went pretty much the way it was expected to. I know the loss is disappointing but I didn't see anything to worry about. I thought the performance was encouraging actually. Anyone upset at the results should look up some dual meets from just a few years ago. then go back 5 more years. then another 5. the program is as good as it's ever been right now.
And with that I agree wholeheartedly but don't let one kid ruin it .we win one more of those swing matches and RL wins ..we beat the almighty Iowa ..we have come a long way but the 157-165 situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'm not alone .
I don’t see the relevance of the history lessons about how far the program has come which there is no debating when discussing match tactics last night. I thought we got off to the best possible start in the first theee matches. Yes Nick was close a couple of time to a fall but 12-0 after three was great.
I liked how deluca went about his match with Sorensen also. Staved off many shots and gave himself a chance. The 157/165 strategy failed. We lost 8 points whereas worst case we lose 6 with our best lineup.
I thought the crowd was still in it for the Grello match and thought he could have won that. The other guy looked stronger to me. There was clearly an off the mat miss but there really should not have any stoppage to even review the take down since we were done with challenges.
I think the staff is likely being very careful with Nick and his shoulder. I see he is not even wearing a harness which I assume is a good sign but asking him to try to score bonus points might not be in his best interests for the long haul.
Iowa was much strong at 197 and hwt. Gross got in a bad spot and it was over quickly at that point
Great atmosphere and the crowd was ready for an upset. It down get very quiet after the grello loss because the outcome was pretty certain at that point
Good news on Glasgow. Hopefully he makes it and is ready to contribute.
I liked how deluca went about his match with Sorensen also. Staved off many shots and gave himself a chance. The 157/165 strategy failed. We lost 8 points whereas worst case we lose 6 with our best lineup.
I thought the crowd was still in it for the Grello match and thought he could have won that. The other guy looked stronger to me. There was clearly an off the mat miss but there really should not have any stoppage to even review the take down since we were done with challenges.
I think the staff is likely being very careful with Nick and his shoulder. I see he is not even wearing a harness which I assume is a good sign but asking him to try to score bonus points might not be in his best interests for the long haul.
Iowa was much strong at 197 and hwt. Gross got in a bad spot and it was over quickly at that point
Great atmosphere and the crowd was ready for an upset. It down get very quiet after the grello loss because the outcome was pretty certain at that point
Good news on Glasgow. Hopefully he makes it and is ready to contribute.
Just watched the post match interview. I thought Goodale was candid about 157/165 and took the blame for the failed strategy. While he indicated JVB was on board he also said they need to get that figured out and do it the right way. I sensed a bit of frustration when making the comment and that all of the pre match discussion about how to handle this was not necessarily a pleasant situation. Maybe reading more into it than I should but I got a different vibe from listening to him versus reading his quotes on this thread.
Your utterance was obliviously in direct reference to my post. Lack of brain matter who my post referred to is a known RU hater. Thus he will put the program down any chance he gets. He'll probably go on some rant how he has season tickets but he has them to see the opposing team. He lives in NJ.
His, "Btw, Iowa is very, very weak this year. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back for sticking close to them." Is his subtle way of taking a dig at RU and causing descent. He likes to come on here and tell us how great his team psu is then demean us from his perceived position of superiority. It's the classic point out any chink in the amour to quell any enthusiasm surrounding the program routine. Make no mistake he's not here for information purposes, he's here to quell any enthusiasm surrounding our program.
Finally how did you correlate my post with anything remotely to discussing match tactics? If you know lack of brain matter's posting history, you would know exactly why he uttered that last paragraph. I will defend RU to the bitter end on here whenever someone tries to demean it. IMO the last paragraph was completely unnecessary, you may find it OK, we differ on opinion, that's why we have a message board.
Because he is lazy and wants to go 165 when he is too lazy to do the work to stay at 157,sad part is coaches let him get away with it and in this match stabbed JVB right in the back .
Props to JVB for being a team player here.
Lewis tried to stay at 157, clearly couldn't make it happen. What's done is done and perhaps it should have been worked out in the offseason, but it wasn't.
Stoked for Midlands. Hopefully we have all of our starters competing plus Pagano.
Also hope we find out about Ashnault one way or the other by the end of the month.
Lewis tried to stay at 157, clearly couldn't make it happen. What's done is done and perhaps it should have been worked out in the offseason, but it wasn't.
Stoked for Midlands. Hopefully we have all of our starters competing plus Pagano.
Also hope we find out about Ashnault one way or the other by the end of the month.
Are we allowed to appreciate the past accomplishments of the current staff but still be honest about the current state of affairs?
NJ/PA is a top-level wrestling region with deep tradition and feeder programs. Fans support the program and are showing up at matches. RU is in the premier collegiate wrestling conference, wrestling is a top tier sport in the eyes of the B1G. Much thanks to those who helped reach this point.
But reality is the program is in real danger of taking a step back.
Wrestling is about no excuses, pure competition, yet any critique here brings out name calling like troll and hater. Give me a break. Just look at this thread, everybody has seen the odd decisions during matches, questionable strength and conditioning, weight class drama, top recruit not qualifying, touted recruits not producing despite being state champs/finalists, etc. - this stuff is obvious. Bottom line is the program has not closed the gap with the upper tier.
Wrestling is about getting it done on the mat, today, no matter what you did 5 years ago. I gotta believe that applies to coaches too.
NJ/PA is a top-level wrestling region with deep tradition and feeder programs. Fans support the program and are showing up at matches. RU is in the premier collegiate wrestling conference, wrestling is a top tier sport in the eyes of the B1G. Much thanks to those who helped reach this point.
But reality is the program is in real danger of taking a step back.
Wrestling is about no excuses, pure competition, yet any critique here brings out name calling like troll and hater. Give me a break. Just look at this thread, everybody has seen the odd decisions during matches, questionable strength and conditioning, weight class drama, top recruit not qualifying, touted recruits not producing despite being state champs/finalists, etc. - this stuff is obvious. Bottom line is the program has not closed the gap with the upper tier.
Wrestling is about getting it done on the mat, today, no matter what you did 5 years ago. I gotta believe that applies to coaches too.
Huge fan and post sometimes. In recruiting , I am happy getting guys 5-15 In weight class but to take next step we really need to get the guys 1-3 in these weight classes. I feel like we really have a ton to offer and outside of PSU, Ok St and Iowa we can provide very equal elements especially with new facilities coming. With that said I still think we have a pretty good roster for next year;
Suriano
Firestone/ Mackall
Ashnault/Van Brill
If Ash back maybe MVB here or ?
Hopefully Glasgow
JVB
Grello/Pagano
Gravina
Mulligan
Correnti
So 70% of lineup back and 6 Ncaa qualifiers plus hopefully a few guys who make it like MVB and Grello.
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