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How are we looking? I know UNC won, but no bubble team is going to have a better win than our win yesterday.
As I see it, a lot hinges on the outcome of the BE and America East. Assuming Denver & Albany win respectively, I think we are in but it is not a lock. Worst case would be 4 ACC teams grab at large bids. OSU, JHU, PSU & UMD are all in (one AQ and 3 at-large. That leaves one at large. The bubble teams would be RU, the Princeton/Yale, Hofstra/Towson, Army and Villanova. We have the best resume of all of them. Working against us is that the committee may be hesitant to split all the at-large bids between only ACC & B1G. If they decide they don't want to do that, either us or one of the ACC team is getting left out.

If Nova or someone else wins the BE, our path becomes a lot harder because Denver is in regardless. Assuming ACC gets at least 3 at-large and B1G gets 4 (plus AQ), Denver takes one with one which will either go to RU, a 4th ACC or any of the bubble teams listed above less Nova, which would get the BE AQ. If Albany loses the AE you can add them to the mix of bubble teams.
 
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As I see it, a lot hinges on the outcome of the BE and America East. Assuming Denver & Albany win respectively, I think we are in but it is not a lock. Worst case would be 4 ACC teams grab at large bids. OSU, JHU, PSU & UMD are all in (one AQ and 3 at-large. That leaves one at large. The bubble teams would be RU, the Princeton/Yale, Hofstra/Towson, Army and Villanova. We have the best resume of all of them. Working against us is that the committee may be hesitant to split all the at-large bids between only ACC & B1G. If they decide they don't want to do that, either us or one of the ACC team is getting left out.

If Nova or someone else wins the BE, our path becomes a lot harder because Denver is in regardless. Assuming ACC gets at least 3 at-large and B1G gets 4 (plus AQ), Denver takes one with one which will either go to RU, a 4th ACC or any of the bubble teams listed above less Nova, which would get the BE AQ. If Albany loses the AE you can add them to the mix of bubble teams.

North Carolina wins ACC Championship today with 14-10 win over Notre Dame.
 
An away loss to PSU as a bad loss is laughable. They are ranked in the top 10.

Knowing that UNC won today. Are we rooting for any particular teams over the coming week or does it not matter much what the outcomes are?
 
Knowing that UNC won today. Are we rooting for any particular teams over the coming week or does it not matter much what the outcomes are?
Denver and Albany are the two big ones. Albany would fall behind RU if they lose in the AE tourney as it would be considered a bad loss for their RPI. As long as Denver wins the BE we are good to go.
 
Knowing that UNC won today. Are we rooting for any particular teams over the coming week or does it not matter much what the outcomes are?

UNC had to beat Syracuse and Notre Dame to even be eligible for the NCAA tournament from a win-loss perspective. With them winning the ACC Championship, UNC has a chance to make the NCAA Tournament with 7 losses now. ACC Champions are not Automatic Qualifiers though, because, there are less than 6 teams in the ACC. If UNC does get a previously unexpected at-large bid now, there will be a very unhappy Men's Lacrosse team somewhere next Sunday night at 9pm when the at-large bids are announced.
 
UNC had to beat Syracuse and Notre Dame to even be eligible for the NCAA tournament from a win-loss perspective. With them winning the ACC Championship, UNC has a chance to make the NCAA Tournament with 7 losses now. ACC Champions are not Automatic Qualifiers though, because, there are less than 6 teams in the ACC. If UNC does get a previously unexpected at-large bid now, there will be a very unhappy Men's Lacrosse team somewhere next Sunday night at 9pm when the at-large bids are announced.

The Southern, Northeast & Metro Atlantic Conferences should not be getting AQ bids, but, two out of those 3 Conferences will.

Two teams that are not even close to the top 16 will be among the 16 NCAA playoff teams unfortunately.
 
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Knowing that UNC won today. Are we rooting for any particular teams over the coming week or does it not matter much what the outcomes are?
Want Denver to win BE. That gives them AQ and pushes Nova out of the picture for at-large. Want Albany to win AE and lock up the AQ because no other AE team has a shot at an at-large. Want Hofstra to win CAA which will likely knock Towson out of contention. That opens the door for 4 ACC teams - UNC & Duke, with Cuse & ND as virtual locks. The top 4 BIG teams are a lock regardless of who wins the B1G tourney. That leaves RU in a battle for the last spot with Yale / Princeton (whichever loses in the Ivy tourney) or Army. There really aren't any realistic contenders after that. We get in over Army, Yale or Princeton, no question.
 
Aren't there 2 play in games? I thought you 18 teams make it ...
 
On face no but the way they lost is...totally dominated 100% on both sides of field and at face off. Looked like HS team going against PSU
And yet we moved UP after the loss. Look at Hopkins getting obliterated by Maryland last weekend. Sometimes shit happens, mostly on the road.
 
PSU caught us at exactly the right time. 3 OT game with Maryland and a long trip to Stae College was just what the doctor ordered for them. We were beat up and tired. No excuses but if you are PSU, you are expected to win that game. Hopefully we can charter out there too moving forward.

Every other year we only get 2 B1G home games. Next year is the cycle we get 3. Home games in this league is a massive, massive advantage.
 
Anyone know who hosts the B1G Tourney next year? I think RU is due...4th year in the B1G...Hopkins, MD and OSU hosted so far.
 
The water is under the bridge but I just saw the final B1G lacrosse standings. If we had pulled off the Maryland win, there would be a five way tie for 1st at 3-2. Everyone would've been 2-2 in the group. Who would've been left out of the conference tournament? If it was all on goal differential, it looks like we would've been left out anyway (assuming a one goal victory over Maryland) - although that definitely would've been huge for our NCAA chances.
 
Anyone know who hosts the B1G Tourney next year? I think RU is due...4th year in the B1G...Hopkins, MD and OSU hosted so far.

It's at Ohio State this year. The Women's is at Maryland...

ETA: Sorry, Matt, I now realize you already knew this and that you were asking about next year. I'm a dope!
 
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That would be great if it is at RU next year. I thought for some reason it is, but maybe that is the women.

If so, it sets up nicely. If this team plays together and doesn't get the me first thing some star studded teams can get, look out. We have it all next year. Home B1G schedule sets up nicely, play makers at every position, depth, the guys hurt this year come back who are impact players... will be a top 10 preseason ranked team for certain.

First things first. I know the guys are looking to make noise in this tournament. They won't just be happy to be there. As we have seen, anyone can beat anyone in college lacrosse now. Maryland is the most complete team, but they can be beat.
 
Want Denver to win BE. That gives them AQ and pushes Nova out of the picture for at-large. Want Albany to win AE and lock up the AQ because no other AE team has a shot at an at-large. Want Hofstra to win CAA which will likely knock Towson out of contention. That opens the door for 4 ACC teams - UNC & Duke, with Cuse & ND as virtual locks. The top 4 BIG teams are a lock regardless of who wins the B1G tourney. That leaves RU in a battle for the last spot with Yale / Princeton (whichever loses in the Ivy tourney) or Army. There really aren't any realistic contenders after that. We get in over Army, Yale or Princeton, no question.

rbled- missed you this weekend. Was a great turnout, and the the game obviously couldn't have been any more awesome. It was a memorial day. And night.
 
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rbled- missed you this weekend. Was a great turnout, and the the game obviously couldn't have been any more awesome. It was a memorial day. And night.
I can only imagine! Wish I could have been there. I've seen some pic being posted and it looked like a fantastic weekend. Gonna try to make to the tourney assuming we're in.
 
The game was great. My team has a terrific time and so did the parents.
 
The Southern, Northeast & Metro Atlantic Conferences should not be getting AQ bids, but, two out of those 3 Conferences will.

Two teams that are not even close to the top 16 will be among the 16 NCAA playoff teams unfortunately.

NCAA RPI has been updated:

01 Maryland IN
02 Syracuse IN
03 Notre Dame IN
04 Penn St IN
05 Johns Hopkins IN
06 Denver IN
07 Ohio St IN
08 Albany(NY) Probable unless awful in American East playoffs
09 North Carolina Probable
10 Duke Probable
11 Towson Needs to win Colonial playoffs
12 RUTGERS Probable
13 Hofstra Needs to win Colonial playoffs
14 Villanova Needs to win Big East playoffs
15 Loyola Maryland IN
16 Boston U OUT
17 Army OUT
18 Binghamton Needs to win American East playoffs
19 Yale Needs to win Ivy League playoffs
20 Penn Needs to win Ivy League playoffs

Only 14 of these 20 teams will be IN.

Two of the three Northeast, Southern & Metro Atlantic Conference Champions will take 15th & 16th seed in the playoffs, due to Automatic Qualifying bids.
 
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NCAA RPI has been updated:

01 Maryland IN
02 Syracuse IN
03 Notre Dame IN
04 Penn St IN
05 Johns Hopkins IN
06 Denver IN
07 Ohio St IN
08 Albany(NY) Probable regardless of American East playoffs
09 North Carolina Probable
10 Duke Probable
11 Towson Needs to win Colonial playoffs
12 RUTGERS Probable
13 Hofstra Needs to win Colonial playoffs
14 Villanova Needs to win Big East playoffs
15 Loyola Maryland IN
16 Boston U OUT
17 Army OUT
18 Binghamton Needs to win American East playoffs
19 Yale Needs to win Ivy League playoffs
20 Penn Needs to win Ivy League playoffs

Only 14 of these 20 teams will be IN.

Two of the three Northeast, Southern & Metro Atlantic Conference Champions will take 15th & 16th seed in the playoffs, due to Automatic Qualifying bids.

Four potential scenarios:

If Denver wins Big East & Albany wins American East
RUTGERS is IN.

If Denver doesn't win Big East & Albany wins American East
two of North Carolina, Duke & RUTGERS are IN.

If Denver wins Big East & Albany doesn't win American East
three of North Carolina, Duke, RUTGERS & Albany are IN.

If Denver doesn't win Big East & Albany doesn't win American East either
two of North Carolina, Duke, RUTGERS & Albany are IN.
 
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The Southern, Northeast & Metro Atlantic Conferences should not be getting AQ bids, but, two out of those 3 Conferences will.

Two teams that are not even close to the top 16 will be among the 16 NCAA playoff teams unfortunately.
From my seat, the AQ’s in lacrosse are part of what is growing the sport. While those programs are not big names, they help make the case for other big names. As in: if you start a lacrosse program, you can be a player rather quickly. It’s not perfect, but the blue blood programs have had a strangle-hold on the lacrosse universe for 40-years. The more smaller programs who can recruit top-talent with the promise of a possible NCAA appearance as part of their pitch, the better. Just my opinion.
 
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I can only imagine! Wish I could have been there. I've seen some pic being posted and it looked like a fantastic weekend. Gonna try to make to the tourney assuming we're in.

Yea, it was a special day. Ton of alums were back and it was announced that Bob Vencak and Coach Hayes, who both should have been in a long time ago, are being inducted into the Rutgers HoF. Doc was there too, which was really great to see.

Pat gave a brief presentation on the lax facility that is being built. From speaking with others, this facility is going to be incredible. It will be the best lax facility when it is done...until someone come along and builds another of course. Even so, it is a game changer for us.
 
From my seat, the AQ’s in lacrosse are part of what is growing the sport. While those programs are not big names, they help make the case for other big names. As in: if you start a lacrosse program, you can be a player rather quickly. It’s not perfect, but the blue blood programs have had a strangle-hold on the lacrosse universe for 40-years. The more smaller programs who can recruit top-talent with the promise of a possible NCAA appearance as part of their pitch, the better. Just my opinion.

Expanding the playoffs to the Best 32 teams would allow more programs to have hopes of a possible NCAA appearance that they can use in their recruiting pitches.

Allowing two teams that are not in the top 25 to become sacrificial lambs to the top 2 teams in the country in the 1st Round of 16 only serves to help the two best of the best IMHO.
 
Expanding the playoffs to the Best 32 teams would allow more programs to have hopes of a possible NCAA appearance that they can use in their recruiting pitches.

Allowing two teams that are not in the top 25 to become sacrificial lambs to the top 2 teams in the country in the 1st Round of 16 only serves to help the two best of the best IMHO.
Or have it expanded to 24 teams. Top 8 get a bye, other 16 play-in.
 
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gef- sorry I missed you. Completely spaced on it!
No worries. Coordinating 70 people at a tailgate, plus making sure our car wash the next day was a good to go, had me all over that weekend. I did not think of it either.
 
Yea, it was a special day. Ton of alums were back and it was announced that Bob Vencak and Coach Hayes, who both should have been in a long time ago, are being inducted into the Rutgers HoF. Doc was there too, which was really great to see.

Pat gave a brief presentation on the lax facility that is being built. From speaking with others, this facility is going to be incredible. It will be the best lax facility when it is done...until someone come along and builds another of course. Even so, it is a game changer for us.
I missed the presentation can you give us the highlights? I know that Hopkins venue is supposed to be awesome to out doing that will be some trick
 
It will be much better than Hopkins. As nice as Hopkins is, it's not functional. There is no weight room, hydro therapy, or equipment room in the building. Ours will have all of that and more. It will house other teams, but as it was described to me, it is very lacrosse centric, built with the program in mind first. It's just going to house others. Complete with a loving, film room, recruiting terrace, in locker room a/v, oak lockers, etc. it's going to be incredible.

Donate people!
 
I think expanding the tournament would be fun for fans, but if the NCAA is truly interested in growing the number of lacrosse programs, it has to start awarding payouts to champions and conferences like it does for basketball.

If I'm an AD at a P5 school with a solid club team like Minnesota or Michigan State or Purdue (or even at a FCS upstart with deep pockets like Grand Canyon), there's no way I'm adding a D1 men's lacrosse program. They're expensive to run and lose you tons of money.

Syracuse spends nearly $4M on men's lax, Hopkins spends about $2M, and Maryland about $1.75M. Those are literally the sports bluest bloods (the only programs in NCAA history with over 800 wins) and they all range from either making no money (Hopkins) to losing a whole heap of money (Cuse). And it's not as if these programs don't sell tickets. For example, Maryland drew nearly 14,500 fans for Saturday's Hopkins game.

On top of that, once you spend money to operate the thing, you then have to build the pretty facilities that make the recruits go gaga. The NCAA has to offer some incentive to schools for the game to truly grow.
 
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I think expanding the tournament would be fun for fans, but if the NCAA is truly interested in growing the number of lacrosse programs, it has to start awarding payouts to champions and conferences like it does for basketball.

If I'm an AD at a P5 school with a solid club team like Minnesota or Michigan State or Purdue (or even at a FCS upstart with deep pockets like Grand Canyon), there's no way I'm adding a D1 men's lacrosse program. They're expensive to run and lose you tons of money.

Syracuse spends nearly $4M on men's lax, Hopkins spends about $2M, and Maryland about $1.75M. Those are literally the sports bluest bloods (the only programs in NCAA history with over 800 wins) and they all range from either making no money (Hopkins) to losing a whole heap of money (Cuse). And it's not as if these programs don't sell tickets. For example, Maryland drew nearly 14,500 fans for Saturday's Hopkins game.

On top of that, once you spend money to operate the thing, you then have to build the pretty facilities that make the recruits go gaga. The NCAA has to offer some incentive to schools for the game to truly grow.

The NCAA can't really offer incentives for Men's Lacrosse.
Financial incentives have to come from gate receipts and/or TV ratings. Allowing the Best 16 teams to participate in the playoffs will facilitate that. Pretending that there is parity across all Men's Lacrosse conferences when there isn't won't. When undeserving teams earn the last two playoff spots over more deserving teams the only winners are the top two teams in the country. The biggest losers are the more deserving teams that were slighted and their fans.
 
Was only a matter of time. Michigans program, as is easy to imagine, is very well funded. It's a massive, massive job. They can get almost anyone.
 
Surprised he lasted as long as he did. I always figured he was given the job as a reward for running a solid club team for a long time and putting them in a position to step up to D1. Figured theybweould give him a couple of years to get the infrastructure in place and then go out and recruit a top program builder.
 
I think he was very instrumental in getting them funded. Before the school invested, I think he was personally doing it. I am sure UM held on to him longer than they would have otherwise for some such reason.
 
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