Montez Mathis on ESPNU right now vs Hudson Catholic
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Yes its live now. 5 Top 100 prospects in this game. Definitely should tune in
Pike and Brandon Knight under basket courtside...Quinerly helped Mathis up after he was fouled by one of Quinerly's teammates...that would be one combo of a 3 guard alignment with Baker
Quinerly would be a great addition for Rutgers. A pass first PG who can score when necessary
i'm willing to pledge 5k for quinerly. Who's with me?
In all seriousness (kind of), kid would be a program changer..
In all seriousness (kind of), kid would be a program changer..
Nova!
damn those guys...but they can't get everyone ;)
I would happily take Nova's "sloppy seconds"!
We need guys that can SHOOT right away; not guys that need to work on their shot
It seems that guys that can shoot right away choose other schools year after year.
I can rewind the same thing from last year talking about Baker....needs to work on his shot, not going to have much of an impact etc....shooting is one of 5 ways to impact a game....can he rebound, defend, dribble pass and shoot??
I'm not sure what fans are watching but player projection and development is what fans miss...no 16-17 year old enters college as a finished product and every evaluation mentioned he was not an elite shooter.
I guess my question is if the player is not a 1 and done player, there are things the prospect needs work with...even a player as talented as Quinerly, lacks strength, and isn't a knock down shooter.
The build of the program when you aren't landing 5* talents is recruiting at the level of your peers, building your roster and player development. Mathis and Baker with the others fit that profile. It looks worse because every other program has an established or coach that has their system in place and in almost every case, 3 to 5 years of players as upper classmen in most cases, filtered in and out of their programs.
I would place Mathis right up there with the other freshman in the B1G right now from Maryland, Nebraska, Iowa, and in some cases the majority of the programs in our league (yes even Ohio State, Michigan etc). Comparing them to 1 and done as a freshman, probably isn't a good idea on evaluation of a player. I would give the player a full 1.5 seasons before trying to determine what you have.
I'm not sure what fans are watching but player projection and development is what fans miss...no 16-17 year old enters college as a finished product and every evaluation mentioned he was not an elite shooter.
I guess my question is if the player is not a 1 and done player, there are things the prospect needs work with...even a player as talented as Quinerly, lacks strength, and isn't a knock down shooter.
The build of the program when you aren't landing 5* talents is recruiting at the level of your peers, building your roster and player development. Mathis and Baker with the others fit that profile. It looks worse because every other program has an established or coach that has their system in place and in almost every case, 3 to 5 years of players as upper classmen in most cases, filtered in and out of their programs.
I would place Mathis right up there with the other freshman in the B1G right now from Maryland, Nebraska, Iowa, and in some cases the majority of the programs in our league (yes even Ohio State, Michigan etc). Comparing them to 1 and done as a freshman, probably isn't a good idea on evaluation of a player. I would give the player a full 1.5 seasons before trying to determine what you have.
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I'm old school------if you're a Guard you need to be a good shooter.
I'm old school------if you're a Guard you need to be a good shooter.
Many good shooters don’t shoot well “right away.” Purdue is perhaps the best 3 point shooting team in the conference this year. But, take a look at the stats of their seniors guards. They were not very good three-point shooters as freshman. Mathias shot 32%, but now shoots 46%, Edwards went from 32% to 44% and Thompson went from 28% to 48%! A lot of freshman take time to acclimate to the size and speed of the game. I think Baker will be a very good one for RU.
Yea, why do we need a top 100 player and one of our better recruits in recent history!
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32 % is pretty good shooting----when you're above 40 you're outstanding.
I'm not saying don't take Mathis--------that's silly bordering on ridiculous.
I'm saying this program needs guys who can shoot and a priority should be put on getting some guys in here who can do that be they JC's , Frosh or Grad Transfers. Coach P is certainly aware of that I'm sure and is trying to get that done.
The question ultimately comes down to what are you willing to sacrifice to bring in a shooter or shooters ? Is it height , strength , athleticism ?
32 % is pretty good shooting----when you're above 40 you're outstanding.
I'm not saying don't take Mathis--------that's silly bordering on ridiculous.
I'm saying this program needs guys who can shoot and a priority should be put on getting some guys in here who can do that be they JC's , Frosh or Grad Transfers. Coach P is certainly aware of that I'm sure and is trying to get that done.
The question ultimately comes down to what are you willing to sacrifice to bring in a shooter or shooters ? Is it height , strength , athleticism ?
That’s not just old school that’s new school too.
32% is below average. Definitely not good.
Mathis reminds me a bit of Eli Carter. Mathis has the one skill I consider the most valuable for a college player; the ability to put the ball in the basket. Defense, rebounding, the ability to play within a college offense, not taking plays off, conditioning, etc. are skills that can be taught and/or developed (in my opinion) by a good staff which I believe we have. The ability to score, at the college level, is an immensely valuable skill. Mathis looks like a kid who has the potential to score at this level.
And, in HS dominate the opposition, if Div. I is your goal. But, at the very least control the tempo of the game. I don't buy into this, "he is just a 15/16 yr old" mentality. Players don't change who they are, with age. To me he has a shooters mentality, which is shoot first, pass second. And, that's alright, as long as you can shoot, and create shots. Based on his performance against, better competition, he struggled.
To the guys with a better insider's perspective: My impression has always been that the Catholic High Schools steer kids to Catholic colleges (Villanova, Seton Hall, etc) or elite non-Catholics (Duke, Kentucky), making it real difficult for RU to compete for 4*+ talent. You think?
That was not normal high school competition. Hudson Catholic has six, maybe seven kids who will play college basketball and (at least) four that will play at the high major level. The Carroll kid going to Kentucky (Quickley) didn't "dominate" that game. Hudson Catholic's 6th and 7th best players would be the 3rd and 4th best players on Carroll. To expect Mathis to dominate is folly. There aren't going to be many players who play against Hudson Catholic who put 22 points up versus them.
No, I agree. And, I stated that. But, it's how you play the game. And, I just felt he looked overwhelmed, 22 points or not. Don't get me wrong, it was just one game. I was looking at his mechanics, and how reacted to the type of pressure HC gave him.
3 point shooting percentage is certainly nice to look at . But it doesn't necessarily point to who is the "best" or "better" shooters.
Who's the best shooter in the NBA? If you say anyone other than Curry I'd laugh. Pretty sure he isn't the highest percentage 3 point shooter, quite possibly even on the team.
you can tell who the guys who can shoot and who can't . Just use your eyes. I like statistics too but they are not the whole story.
Who's the best shooter in the NBA? If you say anyone other than Curry I'd laugh. Pretty sure he isn't the highest percentage 3 point shooter, quite possibly even on the team.
you can tell who the guys who can shoot and who can't . Just use your eyes. I like statistics too but they are not the whole story.
Let’s throw out this kid because our fans watched one game where he was being guarded by a 6’8 one and done and only put up 22 points on so so shooting.
I guess we just disagree on what is a good 3-point shooter. If 32% is the standard than we already have a couple good shooters on the team - with Thiam (39%) and Baker (34%), and last year Williams (32%). I think a good 3-point shooter is closer to 40% and a great 3-point shooter is someone who shoots closer to 45%. But, this is admittedly subjective. Having said that, I do agree with you that a freshman who shoots 32% may well become a very good shooter because, as noted above, many good shooting freshman take at least a year to adjust to the speed and size of the college game. I think Thiam and Baker will end up being very good 3-point shooters in the future (Thiam is already at 39% as a sophomore showing great improvement from last year). But, I agree that RU needs to add more. I think Kiss may be another good shooter, although he shot only 28% from 3 as a freshman so that remains to be seen.
There is a difference when you are playing with your High School team compared to AAU ball but he produces the same numbers in AAU ball as his HS team. He is well respected by all peers in top 100. He will be an impact freshman like Geo and produce similar numbers to Geo probably less assists more rebounds.
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