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Won't even be a factor.
And Nebraska lost their AAU status in 2011 right around when they became BIG members. But their AAU status had been in jeopardy for years so the BIG was aware that Nebraska could lose their status.
No, the B1G is waiting on ND to decide. It's ND that wants to maintain its independence.
ND would get a pass on the AAU thing. But in general, AAU membership is preferred by the B1G as it indicates an institutional fit with the rest of the conference.
Oh I am not doubting it but Shelby sure seemed to think AAU Membership was a requirement, even suggesting ND was SEC bound. AAU membership clearly isn't an issue for ND and the BIG.
EDIT: My bad, I went back and re-read his first post and maybe I misread it. My bad.
The previous reply made sense to me.. alternating west coast visits so they go every season... as well as alternating SoCal and NoCal.
The clueless people continue to rear their ugly heads! 365 Sports is debating live on youtube right now about conference realignment. These "experts" are actually debating whether the B1G would consider talking Iowa State and Kansas State.... I kid you not.
What a bunch of idiots.
What a bunch of idiots.
If the Big Ten teams refuse to schedule the Domers the ND appeal to the networks is reduced. I hope the Big Ten knows their worth and negotiates from the position of strength they hold, i.e. F**k ND.
There are a number of options to push ND towards B10, they revolve around, money, playoff accessibility, and of course scheduling. No doubt the Big would welcome ND, there is no need to beg. There are some real downside possibilities for the Domers if they overplay their hand
Those guys have put out plenty of videos the past few days making it clear that there are plenty of idiots who've never left Texas.
People all over the internet decide to call themselves "experts." Turns out there's no test to take. You can just give yourself the title.
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you guess right one time and brag about it.
Guess right twice and you're all over the internet proclaiming you're an expert and providing your lucky guesses as proof.
I agree. We do not want ND. They are used to being in control, and if they join the B1G, they will do everything they can to gain as much control as possible and they will attempt to get exceptions and carve outs any way they can. Some of the secret sauce of the B1G is the even shares and revenue, and IMO, ND will be pains in the ass to upset the apple cart. They are only out for themselves.
In fact, I am starting to be so against ND to the B1G, that I hope they go to the SEC. Let the SEC deal with them. I don’t think that will happen, but I just don’t want them here.
I'd be shocked if ND doesn't come, bringing Stanford (and eventually others)
Brent McMurphy had an interesting tweet yesterday, saying B1G was interested in FSU & Miami
I doubt the SEC would allow that, but they would be 2 of the ACC schools (along w/UVA and UNC, who are much more of a natural fit) that the B1G would consider
Everything is on the table as they're playing "chess, not checkers" and "not wanting to be like Sears" is a very real thing according to Kevein Warren
Expect significant official additional movement by 2025 or thereabouts
Brent McMurphy had an interesting tweet yesterday, saying B1G was interested in FSU & Miami
I doubt the SEC would allow that, but they would be 2 of the ACC schools (along w/UVA and UNC, who are much more of a natural fit) that the B1G would consider
Everything is on the table as they're playing "chess, not checkers" and "not wanting to be like Sears" is a very real thing according to Kevein Warren
Expect significant official additional movement by 2025 or thereabouts
I don't know if there is an "if the SEC allows it" issue. It's a two way street for both the conferences and the schools. Does a conference want said school and for the schools that are wanted by both which conference would they prefer?
Allows it in the sense they (and ESPN) are proactive in prohibiting it from happening (taking the southern schools to keep the B1G out and increase revenue)
Both FL schools could go and fit in (academically and athletically, culturally not so much) with the B1G.
FSU could fit in w/the SEC all around, Miami not so much w/culture (lot of NE kids there, and would be on an island if they came alone)
Miami being a school predominantly attended by kids from the Northeast makes an interesting point as culturally the Northeast fits far better with the B1G than the SEC. I don't like that they aren't AAU but they'd be one of the extremely few schools along with ND that the B1G would allow in without the AAU academic credentials on their resume.
I don't think ESPN has a say in it either as soon as the GOR is expired.
Even in the hypothetical that the ACC dissolves by majority vote, I'm not so sure ESPN has a say in that scenario either. If the conference doesn't exist why would ESPN have control over where a school goes.
I've addressed this notion that's it's ESPN/SEC vs Fox/B10. That may be the case now in a sense but can't say that will be the case in the future. I keep saying I see the trend towards the NFL model. For the B10, that's imitating both the conference structure (national) and media strategy(multiple partners). For the SEC, it can also be media strategy. The conference networks will still be owned by ESPN/Fox. If the SEC is smart, after their ESPN deals expire in the 2030s they should want to split their package among various media outlets just like the B10 is doing now. Again NFL model. In the future, I could see both ESPN and Fox have portions of both the B10 and SEC and then CBS, NBC, and some tech players sprinkled in along edges. I've even wondered if maybe the B10/SEC lined up their rights and pooled them together somewhere down the line.
Academically they're solid, my impression is the AAU wasn't a dead set criteria but preferred (Nebraska has it, but doesn't anymore)
ESPN absolutely has the ultimate say in it
Theoretically, they're getting the ACC for pennies on the dollar right now
If they want to let the marquee schools there die on the vine for what they're paying them vs. what they're making w/the SEC, they can do that
Or, they can assist w/the GOR dissolution / compromise, and facilitate a move w/the ACC schools they want to the SEC, thereby bringing up the SEC"s tv contract $ per year to offset the pennies on the dollar they're saving by having the ACC right now
As I've noted, I'm confident in the latter scenario happening in the next few years
GOR dissolution (conference dissolving) requires a home for 8 schools. Where are the homes for 8 schools? UNC, UVA, Clemson, FSU, Miami...and then who else? Maybe VT. It's still short. Plus why couldn't the schools left out sue ESPN for tortious interference if they get their fingers too deeply involved?
edit: Again that's the conference dissolving and if the conference dissolves, I'd think anyone is free to go anywhere they want assuming they're wanted. What say does ESPN have when a conference dissolves. I can't see how there is a GOR dissolution without the conference dissolving first.
5 are definitely desirable to B1G/ACC
FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Virginia
3 others are possibilities
Duke, NC State, VT
3 others are interesting
GT, Louisville, Pitt (Pitt is a stretch)
Wake / BC / Cuse are toast
I believe some resolution amongst conferences will be reached as you can't have a school going rouge on an island by themselves without a home, and without the other 7 having homes
ND is the first domino (whether they come or not), McMurphy's tweet was interesting yesterday, and Warren's comments at media day were telling - will be an interesting next few years as changes are brewing
Here's a scenario where you could get 8 but no clue how realistic it would be. Still don't think any conference/network has control of who goes where for schools wanted by multiple conferences.
There's an idea of some 3rd conference mash up of some group of leftovers from the PAC/B12/ACC. I agree a 3rd national conference like that could emerge in the aftermath. If you could tell me (and I don't know that anyone would know this) that this 3rd mash up conference would make as much money per school as the schools in the PAC/ACC are now then I could see a scenario where you get 8 votes in the ACC. Even then I'd still wonder if leftover schools would rather hold onto the status quo as long as possible before having to move but at least you can see a path for 8 votes.
From the McMurphy article yesterday there was talk about Warren and Yormark working together and eventually chopping up the rest of the PAC10. 4 corners to the B12 and Stanford (Oregon/Wash) to the B10. If that happens and the B12/PAC10 combo of schools is able to get a contract in range of the current ACC maybe you have a shot at 8 votes in the ACC. It's kind of what I said about last summer about the B10. Step 1 go out west, step 2 go to the east. The B12 maybe could follow the same path but on a smaller scale. That's a lot of variables though and there's no way to know if it all works out financially to actually make it go.
That's plausible
Yormark is a smart guy (as is his brother), he spearheaded the Nets going to Brooklyn so he's used to big shakeups
Definitely interesting to see how this all shakes out
Yep absolutely agree
Stanford alledegely package deal w/ND
Excited to see what future holds for these new conferences
You took the thoughts from my head. I currently live in a foreign shithole (leaving soon). Every day in the press these 'local experts' are trotted out to give their opinions on lockdowns, testing, masks etc.
From day to day they contradict themselves. It's like listening to stream of consciousness from a low IQ mental patient.
None of these people are experts. One guy is a microbiologist at the equivalent of a community college. What does a microbiologist know about the logistics of a plandemic?
Some other idiot 'local expert' is a glorified community organizer, who keeps screaming about giving people colored wristbands so tourists (there are no tourists anymore) can't go to restaurants and infect people. I think it's more about preventing bank runs...
This is insanity. If you're gonna call yourself an expert why limit it to local? Just call yourself 'universal expert of everything' like I do.
The local rags always show them as masked giant floating heads.
