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McCabe 1-2
Giraldo. 2-2. Don't seeing him beating the Virgina kid.
Ash. Top 6 for sure. A heathy Manley scares me. But I read he is far from it. Ash is as good as anyone in the top half. So a finals berth is in reach. Jordan and Jack will give him problems with there length. Happy they are down low.
Dippery. 1-2. All gravy
Lewis- must win round 2 against VT. If not then he would get the loser of Noff and Smith. Don't like his chances against those hammers.
AP-if heathy top 8 is very realistic.
Bak1-2. All gravy
Gravina got a terrible draw. Will need to upset some hammers.
Hrymac. All gravy
Smith. Got the worst draw out of everyone. He will need to be on the top of his game and avenge some losses to AA.
The seeding com. Killed for the most part. It goes to show u how every single match during the year counts.
 
Passe24 -Your predictions are much more realistic than those in the other thread. Some of our fans seem to have limited exposure to the tournament and don't realize how difficult it is. Glad that they are optimistic. Just hope that they don't get down on the team if the results are closer to your forecast.
 
I hear ya. I mean I really thought we would have 2 or 3 AA and we still might but the way the seeds came out It will be so tough. Smith and Lewis got very unlucky with there seeds.
 
Racpack said:
Passe24 -Your predictions are much more realistic than those in the other thread. Some of our fans seem to have limited exposure to the tournament and don't realize how difficult it is. Glad that they are optimistic. Just hope that they don't get down on the team if the results are closer to your forecast.
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I didn't see anything that outlandish...getting 2 or more AA's, isn't impossible. . The one thing I like about this team, is the focus they have in the wrestleback rounds... The work they put in in both Midlands and B1G's, hopefully pays off here!! If it doesn't. ..it's still been a historic season. .
 
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2 AAs are expected. Passe24 is correct that Lewis and Smith got very tough draws and pre brackets had are best shots to AA. I will be shouting for our guys as loud as anyone. Just trying to be realistic. Gravina has the potential to surprise as he seems fearless. The other first timers could be overwhelmed by the atmosphere.
 
Folks, I'm a huge fan of Rutgers wrestling and I believe that based on their Big Ten performance they are wrestling at a very high level right now. With that said, I believe that we, as fans, need to realize how big this tournament is and manage our expectations. I for one would love to see 3 AA's, but in reality it probably isn't going to happen. I think 1 AA is realistic and anymore would be gravy. I realize that Perrotti is dinged up and may not make it through the tournament. I also realize that Smith and Lewis have a slim chance to AA. Others such as Gravina and Giraldo would need a "2014 Perrotti-like" run to get on the podium. I want all of our wrestlers to reach the podium, but I know that it isn't going to happen. This program has come a long way. Whatever happens over the next few days let’s manage our expectations and remember where we came from just a few years ago. The future is bright and we’re on the right track so please don’t act like all is lost if we don’t come away with 3 AAs. I would be very satisfied with 2 AAs, but I think 1 AA is more likely. Go RU wrestling!
 
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ljones55 said:
Folks, I'm a huge fan of Rutgers wrestling and I believe that based on their Big Ten performance they are wrestling at a very high level right now. With that said, I believe that we, as fans, need to realize how big this tournament is and manage our expectations. I for one would love to see 3 AA's, but in reality it probably isn't going to happen. I think 1 AA is realistic and anymore would be gravy. I realize that Perrotti is dinged up and may not make it through the tournament. I also realize that Smith and Lewis have a slim chance to AA. Others such as Gravina and Giraldo would need a "2014 Perrotti-like" run to get on the podium. I want all of our wrestlers to reach the podium, but I know that it isn't going to happen. This program has come a long way. Whatever happens over the next few days let’s manage our expectations and remember where we came from just a few years ago. The future is bright and we’re on the right track so please don’t act like all is lost if we don’t come away with 3 AAs. I would be very satisfied with 2 AAs, but I think 1 AA is more likely. Go RU wrestling!
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Spot on. People need to realize that Perrotti is hurt, and as a result, 1 all american from Ashnault is really all we should be expecting. If Perrotti can pull it off, or if one of our other guys goes on a tear, I will be thrilled.
 
1 AA (Top 5 finish)
2 to 3 Blood Round wrestlers (AP/BS)
9 of 10 wrestlers win at least 1 match
Top 20 Team finish

I think Gravina/Lewis/Giraldo have a chance to AA before they are done wrestling at RU.
RU Upset watches....Bak and Gravina could upset a high ranked wrestler before the tourney is done.
If AP was not coming off an injury, would have picked him to AA.

My thoughts are what I would call an OK tournament.
Anything More = Good tourney
Anything Less = bad Tourney
IMO
 
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Not trying to be a d*ck but team wise we really need to take top 20 in this tournament. If we don't I will consider it a disappointment. Hammer away at me if you want, but in order to keep showing improvement at some point our guys simply have to do better at the NCAA's. No more excuses the guys seem to be peaking at the right time. Now they have to show the nation they can be a player in this tournament. Tough draws or not, that's not an unrealistic expectation.
 
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koleszar said:
Not trying to be a d*ck but team wise we really need to take top 20 in this tournament. If we don't I will consider it a disappointment. Hammer away at me if you want, but in order to keep showing improvement at some point our guys simply have to do better at the NCAA's. No more excuses the guys seem to be peaking at the right time. Now they have to show the nation they can be a player in this tournament. Tough draws or not, that's not an unrealistic expectation.
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No hammering here. Got to get it done.
 
ljones55 said:
Folks, I'm a huge fan of Rutgers wrestling and I believe that based on their Big Ten performance they are wrestling at a very high level right now. With that said, I believe that we, as fans, need to realize how big this tournament is and manage our expectations. I for one would love to see 3 AA's, but in reality it probably isn't going to happen. I think 1 AA is realistic and anymore would be gravy. I realize that Perrotti is dinged up and may not make it through the tournament. I also realize that Smith and Lewis have a slim chance to AA. Others such as Gravina and Giraldo would need a "2014 Perrotti-like" run to get on the podium. I want all of our wrestlers to reach the podium, but I know that it isn't going to happen. This program has come a long way. Whatever happens over the next few days let’s manage our expectations and remember where we came from just a few years ago. The future is bright and we’re on the right track so please don’t act like all is lost if we don’t come away with 3 AAs. I would be very satisfied with 2 AAs, but I think 1 AA is more likely. Go RU wrestling!
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I don't get these posts about "managing expectations"...No one from what I've seen, has made any crazy predictions... Expecting to see almost everyone win at least 1 match, and having a legit shot at multiple guys reaching the podium arent outlandish expectations.. I believe most people on here are aware of just how tough this tourney is.... I think to a man, this team is the most prepared group that we've ever sent to NCAA's.... Now, I do agree that if that doesn't happen, its not cause to run to these boards and go all chicken little... But I do feel that most on here know that if R guys do get beat.. It won't be because they underperformed...
 
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I'd still put the Over/Under on All Americans 1.5. I'd hope for but not expect the over. more than half the seeded wrestlers in the tournament (now that they seed up to 16) do not reach the podium.
 
Here Here Jerzey devil.
The team proved that they are on the right path with the B10 and Midlands performances.
Short of going 0-20 at the NCAA's, no alarm will be sounded from me.
I have to think Donnie P was huge in the preparation of the team for the B10 championships and the NCAA.
I am curious to see if the number Team Duals will decrease as the years develop.
I like more team duals, but I don't see many B10 Stud teams wrestling as many as RU does.
Who would have thought that we could have a NCAA qualifier not starting for our team (possibly Giraldo or Theobold) next year.

Getting another AA not named Ashnault would be huge for the team.
 
jerzey devil said:
I don't get these posts about "managing expectations"...No one from what I've seen, has made any crazy predictions... Expecting to see almost everyone win at least 1 match, and having a legit shot at multiple guys reaching the podium arent outlandish expectations.. I believe most people on here are aware of just how tough this tourney is.... I think to a man, this team is the most prepared group that we've ever sent to NCAA's.... Now, I do agree that if that doesn't happen, its not cause to run to these boards and go all chicken little... But I do feel that most on here know that if R guys do get beat.. It won't be because they underperformed...
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I mentioned managing expectations because people will call for Goodale's head if the team doesn't live up to "posters" expectations. I've seen it before on this forum.
 
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I mentioned managing expectations because people will call for Goodale's head if the team doesn't live up to "posters" expectations. I've seen it before on this forum.
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So have I... But unless EVERYONE goes 2 and out, I don't think you're going to see that chicken little whining this year...
 
My expectation is that AA will be top 8. I also think Smith will be on the podium. Others will be gravy.
 
El Curioso Impertinente said:
Goodale said it yesterday, every match counts.


10 NCAA Qualifiers creates expectations.
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It shouldn't. Qualifiers represents a great performance at the conference tournament. The fact that Hrymack, McCabe and Dippery qualified speaks to their performance, but really, that is the end of it. Just because they made it to the NCAA, there should be no expectation for performance there.

I think the concern is that fans who have a limited understanding of the sport may be expecting too much. If all of our wrestlers wreslte to their seed, we will have 2 all americans. One of those two has a potentially serious injury, and may not be anywhere close to 100%. The NCAAs are not like other tournaments - everyone who qualified is extremely talented.

Wrestling to seed:
#UR McCabe is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#16 Giraldo is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #1
#4 Ashnault will be a heavy favorite in his first match, his second match is against a dangerous kid, although he will be a favorite, and then it will be a 4/5 matchup for Ash to get to the Top 6.
#UR Dippery is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#8 Lewis is a favorite in his first match, and then has an 8/9 matchup in his second match.
#7 Perrotti is a strong favorite in his first match, then has to face #10. If he wins that, he needs to beat #2 to get to Top 6.
#UR Backuckas is a heavy underdog in his first match against #6
#15 Gravina is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #2
#UR Hrymack faces #2 in the first round
#12 Billy Smith is a favorite in the first round, and then will be a heavy underdog against #5 Coon

Expected results
First round - 3 Wins, 4 Toss-ups, 2 losses
Second Champ. Rd (from the 7 possible winners) - 1 Win, 2 Toss-ups, 5 losses

So it is likely that only Ashnault, and maybe one or the other of Richie Lewis and Perrotti will even make it to the third round. Our best hope, as fans, is simply for 7 wins in the first round.
 
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I also think Theo will be in line up next year and be tough as hell.
I would agree if Ash finishes high like in finals or 3rd and nobody else places I think it will be the greatest season in history. Imagine just seeing one of our guys in the Finals. That would have to help the recruiting. But with all the success we have had this year and have a guy finish top 3. I think that would be awesome. Of coarse I would love AP slip into the top 8 with Lewis or Smith but that would be tremendous
 
I wish we got stuck in fewer #1 or #2 seed matchups (first or second round). Obviously to go far, you'd have to wrestle them at some point.
 
Ole Cabbagehead said:
It shouldn't. Qualifiers represents a great performance at the conference tournament. The fact that Hrymack, McCabe and Dippery qualified speaks to their performance, but really, that is the end of it. Just because they made it to the NCAA, there should be no expectation for performance there.

I think the concern is that fans who have a limited understanding of the sport may be expecting too much. If all of our wrestlers wreslte to their seed, we will have 2 all americans. One of those two has a potentially serious injury, and may not be anywhere close to 100%. The NCAAs are not like other tournaments - everyone who qualified is extremely talented.

Wrestling to seed:
#UR McCabe is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#16 Giraldo is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #1
#4 Ashnault will be a heavy favorite in his first match, his second match is against a dangerous kid, although he will be a favorite, and then it will be a 4/5 matchup for Ash to get to the Top 6.
#UR Dippery is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#8 Lewis is a favorite in his first match, and then has an 8/9 matchup in his second match.
#7 Perrotti is a strong favorite in his first match, then has to face #10. If he wins that, he needs to beat #2 to get to Top 6.
#UR Backuckas is a heavy underdog in his first match against #6
#15 Gravina is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #2
#UR Hrymack faces #2 in the first round
#12 Billy Smith is a favorite in the first round, and then will be a heavy underdog against #5 Coon

Expected results
First round - 3 Wins, 4 Toss-ups, 2 losses
Second Champ. Rd (from the 7 possible winners) - 1 Win, 2 Toss-ups, 5 losses

So it is likely that only Ashnault, and maybe one or the other of Richie Lewis and Perrotti will even make it to the third round. Our best hope, as fans, is simply for 7 wins in the first round.
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I don't think most will be expecting to see a bunch of RU wrestlers in the qtrs.. Most know that we are not a Penn St. throwing a top 3 guy out at several weights..Our best hopes lie in the wrestleback rounds.. Where R guys in both Midlands and B1G's excelled!! That's not luck...That's the right mindest being drilled into R guys from the coaching staff!!
 
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El Curioso Impertinente said:
Qualifying simply means 33/77. Now if you want to say that you're Ok with one All-American out of 10 qualifiers, that is certainly your right.

Stay optimistic, let the kids wrestle. And let's see how this shakes out.
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what does 33/77 represent?

I prefer high hopes and low expectations, but I can see how some people would view that as being pessimistic or perhaps not having any faith in the team. what I hate seeing is folks setting unreasonably high expectations and then disparaging the coaches or wrestlers after those expectations aren't met. I really hope everyone is "OK" with whatever the results are. as long as the kids are wrestling their hardest and leave it all on the mat there is nothing to be disappointed about.

not saying anyone here is going to do that. and even if they do, that comes with the territory of college sports.
 
Jaroslav Hasek said:
what does 33/77 represent?

I prefer high hopes and low expectations, but I can see how some people would view that as being pessimistic or perhaps not having any faith in the team. what I hate seeing is folks setting unreasonably high expectations and then disparaging the coaches or wrestlers after those expectations aren't met. I really hope everyone is "OK" with whatever the results are. as long as the kids are wrestling their hardest and leave it all on the mat there is nothing to be disappointed about.

not saying anyone here is going to do that. and even if they do, that comes with the territory of college sports.
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You are top 33 of 77 NCAA D1 starters at your weight???
 
AP is the real wild card given the uncertainty about his health. Would love to see Smith make a run but he will need to rebound since I can't see him taking Coon. Are there really 4 heavies better than him?
 
[QUOTE="El Curioso Impertinente, post: 1724889, member: 16296"]Qualifying simply means 33/77. Now if you want to say that you're Ok with one All-American out of 10 qualifiers, that is certainly your right.

Stay optimistic, let the kids wrestle. And let's see how this shakes out.[/QUOTE]


I'll be ok with however this shakes out... Because I am OPTIMISTIC that these young men will all put forth their best effort, and fight for every second of every match!! If that gives us only one AA... Then so be it.. It wont make me any less proud... So with that being said, it sounds like you wouldn't be ok with just one AA...
 
think we underestimate these boys.I'm calling AA,Perrotti and Bak as AA's.I don;t know why I feel it,but I think Bak will AA.
 
Ole Cabbagehead said:
It shouldn't. Qualifiers represents a great performance at the conference tournament. The fact that Hrymack, McCabe and Dippery qualified speaks to their performance, but really, that is the end of it. Just because they made it to the NCAA, there should be no expectation for performance there.

I think the concern is that fans who have a limited understanding of the sport may be expecting too much. If all of our wrestlers wreslte to their seed, we will have 2 all americans. One of those two has a potentially serious injury, and may not be anywhere close to 100%. The NCAAs are not like other tournaments - everyone who qualified is extremely talented.

Wrestling to seed:
#UR McCabe is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#16 Giraldo is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #1
#4 Ashnault will be a heavy favorite in his first match, his second match is against a dangerous kid, although he will be a favorite, and then it will be a 4/5 matchup for Ash to get to the Top 6.
#UR Dippery is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#8 Lewis is a favorite in his first match, and then has an 8/9 matchup in his second match.
#7 Perrotti is a strong favorite in his first match, then has to face #10. If he wins that, he needs to beat #2 to get to Top 6.
#UR Backuckas is a heavy underdog in his first match against #6
#15 Gravina is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #2
#UR Hrymack faces #2 in the first round
#12 Billy Smith is a favorite in the first round, and then will be a heavy underdog against #5 Coon

Expected results
First round - 3 Wins, 4 Toss-ups, 2 losses
Second Champ. Rd (from the 7 possible winners) - 1 Win, 2 Toss-ups, 5 losses

So it is likely that only Ashnault, and maybe one or the other of Richie Lewis and Perrotti will even make it to the third round. Our best hope, as fans, is simply for 7 wins in the first round.
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When Perrotti became AA in 2014 he lost his first match then wrestled back in the wrestle backs to place 8th. Don't think many people predicted AP to AA that year. I'd be shocked if we had more then Ashnault in the semifinals, but I believe, we have several guys that can do damage on the backside to become AA.
 
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We really need at least 2 AAs to keep the momentum going, so, hopefully, AP had a miraculous recovery, as I'm hoping he & Ashnault AA. Ashnault has a chance to win the tourney & it would be great if he could make the finals. 141 is wide open & really many of the top 8 seeds have a chance to win it. Giraldo, Lewis, Gravina & Smith will need a 2014 AP-like run & it would be great if that happened.
 
RUCreedo said:
think we underestimate these boys.I'm calling AA,Perrotti and Bak as AA's.I don;t know why I feel it,but I think Bak will AA.
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I also can't put a finger on why but I have the same feeling about Phil. Add Richie Lewis and Gravina as guys who might just pull it off and of course Billy Smith will have every Rutgers fan pulling hard for him. It's great that everyone is this psyched going into the ncaa and the next three days are going to be fun.
 
Ashnault to Semis
Lewis, Perroti & Billy Smith to the blood round if RU wrestles to seed (BS got a raw deal with coon in second round).
I would be very satisfied with those results.


That is 4 wrestlers with a real shot to make AA.
Lewis and Perroti have extremely tough draws in the quarterfinals (if they win first matches).
I have the link to the championship brackets, does anyone have the links to the wrestleback brackets?
Curious to scout potential opponents for Billy.
After watching DJ Russo and Billy Smith for 8 years, RU might have the 2 best Heavyweights not to become AA the past 8 years.
 
Ole Cabbagehead said:
It shouldn't. Qualifiers represents a great performance at the conference tournament. The fact that Hrymack, McCabe and Dippery qualified speaks to their performance, but really, that is the end of it. Just because they made it to the NCAA, there should be no expectation for performance there.

I think the concern is that fans who have a limited understanding of the sport may be expecting too much. If all of our wrestlers wreslte to their seed, we will have 2 all americans. One of those two has a potentially serious injury, and may not be anywhere close to 100%. The NCAAs are not like other tournaments - everyone who qualified is extremely talented.

Wrestling to seed:
#UR McCabe is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#16 Giraldo is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #1
#4 Ashnault will be a heavy favorite in his first match, his second match is against a dangerous kid, although he will be a favorite, and then it will be a 4/5 matchup for Ash to get to the Top 6.
#UR Dippery is a slight underdog in his first match against #16, and if he wins he will face #1.
#8 Lewis is a favorite in his first match, and then has an 8/9 matchup in his second match.
#7 Perrotti is a strong favorite in his first match, then has to face #10. If he wins that, he needs to beat #2 to get to Top 6.
#UR Backuckas is a heavy underdog in his first match against #6
#15 Gravina is a slight favorite in his first match, and if he wins he will face #2
#UR Hrymack faces #2 in the first round
#12 Billy Smith is a favorite in the first round, and then will be a heavy underdog against #5 Coon

Expected results
First round - 3 Wins, 4 Toss-ups, 2 losses
Second Champ. Rd (from the 7 possible winners) - 1 Win, 2 Toss-ups, 5 losses

So it is likely that only Ashnault, and maybe one or the other of Richie Lewis and Perrotti will even make it to the third round. Our best hope, as fans, is simply for 7 wins in the first round.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but weren't we saying similar things prior to the B1G's?
 
RU23 said:
What time we starting tomorrow?
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