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We have two talented but YOUNG players. They make some bad decisions and throw some bad passes. But how are we helping them.
They are expected to get themselves free for shots. How often does Bailey find himself alone with two or three defenders between him and the basket?
Too many times! It's no wonder that he has to take those acrobatic shots. What's more amazing is the fact that he makes many of them. There are no plays run on their behalf. They deserve some set plays. They deserve some help. They also need to be taking more of the shots; considering who was recruited to play along side of them. If Pikiell doesn't help them with some set offense he will be the coach who failed with two PRO Prospects!
 
The coaching community is not one to “eat one of their own”. But I’d be curious to know what other respected CBB coaches / NBA personnel think of Pike’s coaching job of Harper / Bailey so far
 
We have two talented but YOUNG players. They make some bad decisions and throw some bad passes. But how are we helping them.
They are expected to get themselves free for shots. How often does Bailey find himself alone with two or three defenders between him and the basket?
Too many times! It's no wonder that he has to take those acrobatic shots. What's more amazing is the fact that he makes many of them. There are no plays run on their behalf. They deserve some set plays. They deserve some help. They also need to be taking more of the shots; considering who was recruited to play along side of them. If Pikiell doesn't help them with some set offense he will be the coach who failed with two PRO Prospects!
OKAY!
 
The coaching community is not one to “eat one of their own”. But I’d be curious to know what other respected CBB coaches / NBA personnel think of Pike’s coaching job of Harper / Bailey so far
You know the answer to that. Crappy. Pike is NOT NOT a great coach. I’ve been saying this for years. Can teach defensive concepts to hungry players, but other than that, mediocre in game day coaching, teaching offense, and overall, so many recruiting misses.
 
The crowd has to show up and will this team to victory. Win outright in Dec and we are looking at 9-4 to end the year.
 
You know the answer to that. Crappy. Pike is NOT NOT a great coach. I’ve been saying this for years. Can teach defensive concepts to hungry players, but other than that, mediocre in game day coaching, teaching offense, and overall, so many recruiting misses.
Not an x or o understanding fan of the sport by any means

Is it possible that players of the caliber of Dylan and Ace just freelance their offense in high school, overpowering their opponent with strength and ability, without a really organized offensive scheme? At the same time, defense is an afterthought as long as you score more than the other guy

I had heard that Cooper Flag was a good defensive player going back to high school, not so much these two

When we played Alabama, Dylan once again found he could resort to what worked in high school, physically forcing his way to the basket, which can work against some that we play against, but not the majority at this level, where defense is equally important

Possibly Pike took the approach to let these two, do their own thing, as much as possible.....and its not working
 
Tell someone you don't watch any CBB on a regular basis without saying it, is a very real fact on message boards......
 
You know the answer to that. Crappy. Pike is NOT NOT a great coach. I’ve been saying this for years. Can teach defensive concepts to hungry players, but other than that, mediocre in game day coaching, teaching offense, and overall, so many recruiting misses.

It’s true. You HAVE been ranting nonsense for years.
 
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Not an x or o understanding fan of the sport by any means

Is it possible that players of the caliber of Dylan and Ace just freelance their offense in high school, overpowering their opponent with strength and ability, without a really organized offensive scheme? At the same time, defense is an afterthought as long as you score more than the other guy

I had heard that Cooper Flag was a good defensive player going back to high school, not so much these two

When we played Alabama, Dylan once again found he could resort to what worked in high school, physically forcing his way to the basket, which can work against some that we play against, but not the majority at this level, where defense is equally important

Possibly Pike took the approach to let these two, do their own thing, as much as possible.....and its not working
Thus therefore its on Pike for not constructing the roster he needed to surround these guys.
 
Tell someone you don't watch any CBB on a regular basis without saying it, is a very real fact on message boards......
Words words words words. Two simple questions- and don’t try to word salad your way out of it:
1. Has pike done a good job with roster construction to surround Ace and Dylan:
2. Has he coached the team well this year.
 
Thus therefore its on Pike for not constructing the roster he needed to surround these guys.
I didn’t address that, but it is a primary concern

We need well balanced players around them

We need less free lancing on offense, and commitment on defense
 
Words words words words. Two simple questions- and don’t try to word salad your way out of it:
1. Has pike done a good job with roster construction to surround Ace and Dylan:
2. Has he coached the team well this year.
It depends on your knowledge level of sports or basketball.....if you don't watch the CBB or have a clue about what you are watching, then my answer to you would be in agreement with you.....because in your world, there aren't 17 other B1G programs or coaches or players

And my 2nd question is, what coach or program (not a Hall of Fame Coach) is dramatically better??

This is not a question you can actually answer by the way, because it would actually require you to watch other teams, other players and other coaches to give a valid answer. I ask this question on texts I get from friends, and others and my responses are different, depending on who is asking the question.

Here is the actual problem with RU fans in general......

A) They listen to the WRONG people.....and cannot de-program themselves once they hear something that is hideous and wrong.

B) They believe basketball is not coached 24/7/365 and that no other coaching staffs watch film....

Here is a simple answer, since MOST RU fans are football centric and illogical.....let me change the subject to football....

Is Athan Kaliakmanis a good QB....?? Most RU fans would say YES today, because the last things they saw from the offense was scoring points and the QB is not Noah Vedral, Gavin Wimsatt, Art Sitkowski or Chris Laviano...

Here is what makes a good QB.....great plays made at WR....

There is literally NO difference between the QB play in the 1st 7 to 8 games EXCEPT, Schiano stopped putting Chris Long out at WR and it took an injury to Fletcher to force 4 WRs to play.....which meant Korey Duff AND Ian Strong would play more snaps with Dymere Miller and some Dremel mixed in.

Eventually after one long pass where Duff and Strong made plays downfield on 1 on 1 plays, suddenly the RU offense looked normal.....and as those 2 big WRs become more difficult for opponents to stop, the QB play somehow magically appears better.

I'm not here to pick on Chris Long, he is on our roster, but he is vastly different in talent, size and athletic ability.....he is NOT Duff or Strong and suddenly the QB looks better.

SO....to answer your Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey question.....I don't know but you simply cannot evaluate a coaching staff, if you put vastly inferior players who have no business being on a B1G roster and start them, and then complain about the roster supporting Dylan and Ace.

I don't know if Pike is at fault UNTIL the lineup removes the inferior players and places the better players on the court consistently with Dylan and Ace.

Schiano didn't suddenly become a better offensive coach or coach in the last 4 games....it was more Duff and Strong being featured, mixed with an already strong running game.

I could CLEARLY argue, it is a fire-worthy offense, to have Duff, Strong and others sitting behind our other WRs in the midst of a 4 game losing streak.....when RU EASILY could or should be 9-3, if they played Strong and Duff from Game 1, Day 1. We don't lose to Nebraska or UCLA/Illinois if we committed to the better/younger players from the beginning.

Disagree if you like but these are FACTS.....instead we heard injuries this and injuries that, like no one else had starters out across CFB....

I will reserve commentary in regards to Pike until I see the 5 to 7 best playmakers consistently getting minutes for 3 to 4 weeks in a row.
 
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It depends on your knowledge level of sports or basketball.....if you don't watch the CBB or have a clue about what you are watching, then my answer to you would be in agreement with you.....because in your world, there aren't 17 other B1G programs or coaches or players

And my 2nd question is, what coach or program (not a Hall of Fame Coach) is dramatically better??

This is not a question you can actually answer by the way, because it would actually require you to watch other teams, other players and other coaches to give a valid answer. I ask this question on texts I get from friends, and others and my responses are different, depending on who is asking the question.

Here is the actual problem with RU fans in general......

A) They listen to the WRONG people.....and cannot de-program themselves once they hear something that is hideous and wrong.

B) They believe basketball is not coached 24/7/365 and that no other coaching staffs watch film....

Here is a simple answer, since MOST RU fans are football centric and illogical.....let me change the subject to football....

Is Athan Kaliakmanis a good QB....?? Most RU fans would say YES today, because the last things they saw from the offense was scoring points and the QB is not Noah Vedral, Gavin Wimsatt, Art Sitkowski or Chris Laviano...

Here is what makes a good QB.....great plays made at WR....

There is literally NO difference between the QB play in the 1st 7 to 8 games EXCEPT, Schiano stopped putting Chris Long out at WR and it took an injury to Fletcher to force 4 WRs to play.....which meant Korey Duff AND Ian Strong would play more snaps with Dymere Miller and some Dremel mixed in.

Eventually after one long pass where Duff and Strong made plays downfield on 1 on 1 plays, suddenly the RU offense looked normal.....and as those 2 big WRs become more difficult for opponents to stop, the QB play somehow magically appears better.

I'm not here to pick on Chris Long, he is on our roster, but he is vastly different in talent, size and athletic ability.....he is NOT Duff or Strong and suddenly the QB looks better.

SO....to answer your Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey question.....I don't know but you simply cannot evaluate a coaching staff, if you put vastly inferior players who have no business being on a B1G roster and start them, and then complain about the roster supporting Dylan and Ace.

I don't know if Pike is at fault UNTIL the lineup removes the inferior players and places the better players on the court consistently with Dylan and Ace.

Schiano didn't suddenly become a better offensive coach or coach in the last 4 games....it was more Duff and Strong being featured, mixed with an already strong running game.

I could CLEARLY argue, it is a fire-worthy offense, to have Duff, Strong and others sitting behind our other WRs in the midst of a 4 game losing streak.....when RU EASILY could or should be 9-3, if they played Strong and Duff from Game 1, Day 1. We don't lose to Nebraska or UCLA/Illinois if we committed to the better/younger players from the beginning.

Disagree if you like but these are FACTS.....instead we heard injuries this and injuries that, like no one else had starters out across CFB....

I will reserve commentary in regards to Pike until I see the 5 to 7 best playmakers consistently getting minutes for 3 to 4 weeks in a row.
That was a lot of words to say:

1. You think Pike’s rotations have been poor to date (bad game-day coaching)

2. He did a poor job constructing the roster (you reference “inferior players” yourself)
 
We have two talented but YOUNG players. They make some bad decisions and throw some bad passes. But how are we helping them.
They are expected to get themselves free for shots. How often does Bailey find himself alone with two or three defenders between him and the basket?
Too many times! It's no wonder that he has to take those acrobatic shots. What's more amazing is the fact that he makes many of them. There are no plays run on their behalf. They deserve some set plays. They deserve some help. They also need to be taking more of the shots; considering who was recruited to play along side of them. If Pikiell doesn't help them with some set offense he will be the coach who failed with two PRO Prospects!
Incorrect. Lots of plays run for them. You can argue they could be run better or there are more effective options but there are plays run for them almost every time down the court.
 
That was a lot of words to say:

1. You think Pike’s rotations have been poor to date (bad game-day coaching)

2. He did a poor job constructing the roster (you reference “inferior players” yourself)
People are under the impression that I don't get on coaches....but again, people listen to the WRONG people or refuse to acknowledge facts...

A) 2 seasons ago, Mawot Mag, who is a role/complimentary player, was elevated to starter on a roster without other options...he is a 5th starter that did not do anything well on offense....not a dribbler, not a playmaker, not a passer, not a natural scorer and absolutely not a shooter....BUT, fans fell in love with a player willing to hustle, rebound and play defense (as if no one else on the planet could do that).

But when he got injured, he was supposed to be the reason why RU cratered......BUT i posted at least 200 times that the issue was the lack of productivity from Paul Mulcahy after Mag got injured that cost RU a NCAA bid....and even to this day, it is still discussed as a FACT, with no willingness to listen to other facts.

So.....Pike continued to trot Mulcahy out there and RU continued to lose games, when we had an opportunity to elevate Derek Simpson to play more minutes and significantly reduce Mulcahy and his role. BUT no.....Derek was no good, until RU got down a 5th or 6th game in a row at Penn State and he literally killed PSU with a furious rally and win. But the damage was already done and with some timely missed FTs at Minnesota, we coughed up a NCAA bid.....

Was that Pike’s fault?? To me YES, because he rode with Mulcahy, when it was CLEAR to me, that he was around 5PPG over a 8 game span, while playing 32 minutes a game....his productivity declined by a LOT.

But, fans wanted an excuse that it was Mag.....with no support on that other than he got injured.....what has NOT happened since then, has been Mawot Mag posts....?? Why.....?? Because he was never that good to begin with and was made out to be better than reality.....where are Mawot Mag stats today at BYU.....we don't see them because I was 100% right then and it was never acknowledged, until Mag literally shut it down and sat out countless games last year....

So.....to this season.....where else would Zach Martini or Ogbole start in the B1G.....I am not saying they don't have a role on the roster, but we are discussing dedicating MAJOR minutes to players that are simply not playmakers.....they don't start anywhere on UCLA, Illinois, Maryland, Wisconsin or even Minnesota or Washington.

I am just watching basketball and asking myself, can I see Martini starting over Reese at Maryland or over the big man at Northwestern?? Or does he play major minutes on Ohio State??

If the answer is YES, then i would stop complaining.

The answer is NO....so it's amazing that we took a poster who doesn't post here any more, tell others on Twitter and here, how good Ivy League players are.....and because Martini played one decent game, in Trenton vs RU, that he somehow earns starting caliber minutes, with no pattern of productivity on defense or rebounding??

Do I think Lathan Sommerville has things to learn....?? Yes.....but how does that mean he cannot find 26 to 28 minutes a game, if baffling......why can't he get comfortable with Ace and Dylan for a few games.....the kid simply makes plays and creates offense and can score. OR do we expect Ace and Dylan to score 55PPG to win??

Why doesn't JMike suddenly get a free pass, when he was NEVER in eye test or anything better than Simpson.....?? Because Simpson took too many 2 pointers and missed?? Do I think JMike and his defense are far inferior this year vs what Simpson showed us the last 2 years??? YES.....and that's before I get to who runs the floor better and makes FTS.

If you gave opposing coaches choices of who they would select off the RU roster, it would start with the 3 freshman (Ace, Dylan, Lathan) and then a choice of JWill or Derkack 4th, then Grant and Dortch.

I don't see major minutes for any other RU players, anywhere else in the B1G, once you get past...

Ace, Dylan, Lathan, Grant, JWill as your starting 5.

Derkack as the 6th man, Dortch as backup wing defensive player in the Caleb McConnell role.

The only variable is Acuff is clearly the 4th best player, but the broken foot is a monster injury, because he can actually score and help playmake.....it is very likely, without an injury to Acuff, he is the 6th man and paired in the backcourt off the bench with Derkack. Then mix in 8 or so minutes for Ogbole off the bench and see if you can find a few minutes for Hayes and JMike to make good decisions and try to play defense.

Anything short of the starting lineup of Ace, Dylan. Lathan, Grant and JWill, with Acuff and Derkack, Dortch as your 6th through 8th players has ZERO shot of competing over 3+ months against Power 4 competition...it's actually less than ZERO, but it's not going to happen with Martini, Ogbole absorbing 35 to 40 minutes of playing time per game up front.
 
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People are under the impression that I don't get on coaches....but again, people listen to the WRONG people or refuse to acknowledge facts...

A) 2 seasons ago, Mawot Mag, who is a role/complimentary player, was elevated to starter on a roster without other options...he is a 5th starter that did not do anything well on offense....not a dribbler, not a playmaker, not a passer, not a natural scorer and absolutely not a shooter....BUT, fans fell in love with a player willing to hustle, rebound and play defense (as if no one else on the planet could do that).

But when he got injured, he was supposed to be the reason why RU cratered......BUT i posted at least 200 times that the issue was the lack of productivity from Paul Mulcahy after Mag got injured that cost RU a NCAA bid....and even to this day, it is still discussed as a FACT, with no willingness to listen to other facts.

So.....Pike continued to trot Mulcahy out there and RU continued to lose games, when we had an opportunity to elevate Derek Simpson to play more minutes and significantly reduce Mulcahy and his role. BUT no.....Derek was no good, until RU got down a 5th or 6th game in a row at Penn State and he literally killed PSU with a furious rally and win. But the damage was already done and with some timely missed FTs at Minnesota, we coughed up a NCAA bid.....

Was that Pike’s fault?? To me YES, because he rode with Mulcahy, when it was CLEAR to me, that he was around 5PPG over a 8 game span, while playing 32 minutes a game....his productivity declined by a LOT.

But, fans wanted an excuse that it was Mag.....with no support on that other than he got injured.....what has NOT happened since then, has been Mawot Mag posts....?? Why.....?? Because he was never that good to begin with and was made out to be better than reality.....where are Mawot Mag stats today at BYU.....we don't see them because I was 100% right then and it was never acknowledged, until Mag literally shut it down and sat out countless games last year....

So.....to this season.....where else would Zach Martini or Ogbole start in the B1G.....I am not saying they don't have a role on the roster, but we are discussing dedicating MAJOR minutes to players that are simply not playmakers.....they don't start anywhere on UCLA, Illinois, Maryland, Wisconsin or even Minnesota or Washington.

I am just watching basketball and asking myself, can I see Martini starting over Reese at Maryland or over the big man at Northwestern?? Or does he play major minutes on Ohio State??

If the answer is YES, then i would stop complaining.

The answer is NO....so it's amazing that we took a poster who doesn't post here any more, tell others on Twitter and here, how good Ivy League players are.....and because Martini played one decent game, in Trenton vs RU, that he somehow earns starting caliber minutes, with no pattern of productivity on defense or rebounding??

Do I think Lathan Sommerville has things to learn....?? Yes.....but how does that mean he cannot find 26 to 28 minutes a game, if baffling......why can't he get comfortable with Ace and Dylan for a few games.....the kid simply makes plays and creates offense and can score. OR do we expect Ace and Dylan to score 55PPG to win??

Why doesn't JMike suddenly get a free pass, when he was NEVER in eye test or anything better than Simpson.....?? Because Simpson took too many 2 pointers and missed?? Do I think JMike and his defense are far inferior this year vs what Simpson showed us the last 2 years??? YES.....and that's before I get to who runs the floor better and makes FTS.

If you gave opposing coaches choices of who they would select off the RU roster, it would start with the 3 freshman (Ace, Dylan, Lathan) and then a choice of JWill or Derkack 4th, then Grant and Dortch.

I don't see major minutes for any other RU players, anywhere else in the B1G, once you get past...

Ace, Dylan, Lathan, Grant, JWill as your starting 5.

Derkack as the 6th man, Dortch as backup wing defensive player in the Caleb McConnell role.

The only variable is Acuff is clearly the 4th best player, but the broken foot is a monster injury, because he can actually score and help playmake.....it is very likely, without an injury to Acuff, he is the 6th man and paired in the backcourt off the bench with Derkack. Then mix in 8 or so minutes for Ogbole off the bench and see if you can find a few minutes for Hayes and JMike to make good decisions and try to play defense.

Anything short of the starting lineup of Ace, Dylan. Lathan, Grant and JWill, with Acuff and Derkack, Dortch as your 6th through 8th players has ZERO shot of competing over 3+ months against Power 4 competition...it's actually less than ZERO, but it's not going to happen with Martini, Ogbole absorbing 35 to 40 minutes of playing time per game up front.
Grant hasn’t shown a damn thing. On what? Potential?
 
People are under the impression that I don't get on coaches....but again, people listen to the WRONG people or refuse to acknowledge facts...

A) 2 seasons ago, Mawot Mag, who is a role/complimentary player, was elevated to starter on a roster without other options...he is a 5th starter that did not do anything well on offense....not a dribbler, not a playmaker, not a passer, not a natural scorer and absolutely not a shooter....BUT, fans fell in love with a player willing to hustle, rebound and play defense (as if no one else on the planet could do that).

But when he got injured, he was supposed to be the reason why RU cratered......BUT i posted at least 200 times that the issue was the lack of productivity from Paul Mulcahy after Mag got injured that cost RU a NCAA bid....and even to this day, it is still discussed as a FACT, with no willingness to listen to other facts.

So.....Pike continued to trot Mulcahy out there and RU continued to lose games, when we had an opportunity to elevate Derek Simpson to play more minutes and significantly reduce Mulcahy and his role. BUT no.....Derek was no good, until RU got down a 5th or 6th game in a row at Penn State and he literally killed PSU with a furious rally and win. But the damage was already done and with some timely missed FTs at Minnesota, we coughed up a NCAA bid.....

Was that Pike’s fault?? To me YES, because he rode with Mulcahy, when it was CLEAR to me, that he was around 5PPG over a 8 game span, while playing 32 minutes a game....his productivity declined by a LOT.

But, fans wanted an excuse that it was Mag.....with no support on that other than he got injured.....what has NOT happened since then, has been Mawot Mag posts....?? Why.....?? Because he was never that good to begin with and was made out to be better than reality.....where are Mawot Mag stats today at BYU.....we don't see them because I was 100% right then and it was never acknowledged, until Mag literally shut it down and sat out countless games last year....

So.....to this season.....where else would Zach Martini or Ogbole start in the B1G.....I am not saying they don't have a role on the roster, but we are discussing dedicating MAJOR minutes to players that are simply not playmakers.....they don't start anywhere on UCLA, Illinois, Maryland, Wisconsin or even Minnesota or Washington.

I am just watching basketball and asking myself, can I see Martini starting over Reese at Maryland or over the big man at Northwestern?? Or does he play major minutes on Ohio State??

If the answer is YES, then i would stop complaining.

The answer is NO....so it's amazing that we took a poster who doesn't post here any more, tell others on Twitter and here, how good Ivy League players are.....and because Martini played one decent game, in Trenton vs RU, that he somehow earns starting caliber minutes, with no pattern of productivity on defense or rebounding??

Do I think Lathan Sommerville has things to learn....?? Yes.....but how does that mean he cannot find 26 to 28 minutes a game, if baffling......why can't he get comfortable with Ace and Dylan for a few games.....the kid simply makes plays and creates offense and can score. OR do we expect Ace and Dylan to score 55PPG to win??

Why doesn't JMike suddenly get a free pass, when he was NEVER in eye test or anything better than Simpson.....?? Because Simpson took too many 2 pointers and missed?? Do I think JMike and his defense are far inferior this year vs what Simpson showed us the last 2 years??? YES.....and that's before I get to who runs the floor better and makes FTS.

If you gave opposing coaches choices of who they would select off the RU roster, it would start with the 3 freshman (Ace, Dylan, Lathan) and then a choice of JWill or Derkack 4th, then Grant and Dortch.

I don't see major minutes for any other RU players, anywhere else in the B1G, once you get past...

Ace, Dylan, Lathan, Grant, JWill as your starting 5.

Derkack as the 6th man, Dortch as backup wing defensive player in the Caleb McConnell role.

The only variable is Acuff is clearly the 4th best player, but the broken foot is a monster injury, because he can actually score and help playmake.....it is very likely, without an injury to Acuff, he is the 6th man and paired in the backcourt off the bench with Derkack. Then mix in 8 or so minutes for Ogbole off the bench and see if you can find a few minutes for Hayes and JMike to make good decisions and try to play defense.

Anything short of the starting lineup of Ace, Dylan. Lathan, Grant and JWill, with Acuff and Derkack, Dortch as your 6th through 8th players has ZERO shot of competing over 3+ months against Power 4 competition...it's actually less than ZERO, but it's not going to happen with Martini, Ogbole absorbing 35 to 40 minutes of playing time per game up front.
You make sense but hopefully the staff won't make the same mistake they made by riding Mulcahy too long.
 
Grant hasn’t shown a damn thing. On what? Potential?
Again, 52 minutes, 4 rebounds, 2 points and 7 turnovers for Martini....do you actually believe that's impossible to do better than that??
 
You make sense but hopefully the staff won't make the same mistake they made by riding Mulcahy too long.
I think the staff gets a lot of things right.....they invested a ton of time into Mag and got rewarded with an inflated ego and player....

How they decided to invest in Eugene Omoyuri during the building blocks of the RU rebuild and did it again with Mag (and lesser extent others as well) and don't see the upside on tape on Grant and Dortch. You can invest time on talented players while you have other talented players carrying the workload. It just doesn't make any sense to me, at all.

I also argued that Hyatt was clearly better than Mag overall, BUT I could at least acknowledge Mag was a clearly better defender or rebounder but that is a completely different situation of 2 players looking for minutes at the same position. My argument for Hyatt over Mag, was trying to avoid being held to under 50 or 55 points on a consistent basis and Hyatt could at least hit shots.

This is a completely different dynamic.....Martini is not rebounding, cannot defend at this level and doesn't bring any offense off the dribble where he makes plays. He can take an open 3 in transition, if we get a rebound and fast break OR if an opponent makes a mistake and misses an assignment on Martini. Someone else should be able to replicate no production on defense and no scoring on offense.
 
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People are under the impression that I don't get on coaches....but again, people listen to the WRONG people or refuse to acknowledge facts...

A) 2 seasons ago, Mawot Mag, who is a role/complimentary player, was elevated to starter on a roster without other options...he is a 5th starter that did not do anything well on offense....not a dribbler, not a playmaker, not a passer, not a natural scorer and absolutely not a shooter....BUT, fans fell in love with a player willing to hustle, rebound and play defense (as if no one else on the planet could do that).

But when he got injured, he was supposed to be the reason why RU cratered......BUT i posted at least 200 times that the issue was the lack of productivity from Paul Mulcahy after Mag got injured that cost RU a NCAA bid....and even to this day, it is still discussed as a FACT, with no willingness to listen to other facts.

So.....Pike continued to trot Mulcahy out there and RU continued to lose games, when we had an opportunity to elevate Derek Simpson to play more minutes and significantly reduce Mulcahy and his role. BUT no.....Derek was no good, until RU got down a 5th or 6th game in a row at Penn State and he literally killed PSU with a furious rally and win. But the damage was already done and with some timely missed FTs at Minnesota, we coughed up a NCAA bid.....

Was that Pike’s fault?? To me YES, because he rode with Mulcahy, when it was CLEAR to me, that he was around 5PPG over a 8 game span, while playing 32 minutes a game....his productivity declined by a LOT.

But, fans wanted an excuse that it was Mag.....with no support on that other than he got injured.....what has NOT happened since then, has been Mawot Mag posts....?? Why.....?? Because he was never that good to begin with and was made out to be better than reality.....where are Mawot Mag stats today at BYU.....we don't see them because I was 100% right then and it was never acknowledged, until Mag literally shut it down and sat out countless games last year....

So.....to this season.....where else would Zach Martini or Ogbole start in the B1G.....I am not saying they don't have a role on the roster, but we are discussing dedicating MAJOR minutes to players that are simply not playmakers.....they don't start anywhere on UCLA, Illinois, Maryland, Wisconsin or even Minnesota or Washington.

I am just watching basketball and asking myself, can I see Martini starting over Reese at Maryland or over the big man at Northwestern?? Or does he play major minutes on Ohio State??

If the answer is YES, then i would stop complaining.

The answer is NO....so it's amazing that we took a poster who doesn't post here any more, tell others on Twitter and here, how good Ivy League players are.....and because Martini played one decent game, in Trenton vs RU, that he somehow earns starting caliber minutes, with no pattern of productivity on defense or rebounding??

Do I think Lathan Sommerville has things to learn....?? Yes.....but how does that mean he cannot find 26 to 28 minutes a game, if baffling......why can't he get comfortable with Ace and Dylan for a few games.....the kid simply makes plays and creates offense and can score. OR do we expect Ace and Dylan to score 55PPG to win??

Why doesn't JMike suddenly get a free pass, when he was NEVER in eye test or anything better than Simpson.....?? Because Simpson took too many 2 pointers and missed?? Do I think JMike and his defense are far inferior this year vs what Simpson showed us the last 2 years??? YES.....and that's before I get to who runs the floor better and makes FTS.

If you gave opposing coaches choices of who they would select off the RU roster, it would start with the 3 freshman (Ace, Dylan, Lathan) and then a choice of JWill or Derkack 4th, then Grant and Dortch.

I don't see major minutes for any other RU players, anywhere else in the B1G, once you get past...

Ace, Dylan, Lathan, Grant, JWill as your starting 5.

Derkack as the 6th man, Dortch as backup wing defensive player in the Caleb McConnell role.

The only variable is Acuff is clearly the 4th best player, but the broken foot is a monster injury, because he can actually score and help playmake.....it is very likely, without an injury to Acuff, he is the 6th man and paired in the backcourt off the bench with Derkack. Then mix in 8 or so minutes for Ogbole off the bench and see if you can find a few minutes for Hayes and JMike to make good decisions and try to play defense.

Anything short of the starting lineup of Ace, Dylan. Lathan, Grant and JWill, with Acuff and Derkack, Dortch as your 6th through 8th players has ZERO shot of competing over 3+ months against Power 4 competition...it's actually less than ZERO, but it's not going to happen with Martini, Ogbole absorbing 35 to 40 minutes of playing time per game up front.
Bullet points bro
 
It depends on your knowledge level of sports or basketball.....if you don't watch the CBB or have a clue about what you are watching, then my answer to you would be in agreement with you.....because in your world, there aren't 17 other B1G programs or coaches or players

And my 2nd question is, what coach or program (not a Hall of Fame Coach) is dramatically better??

This is not a question you can actually answer by the way, because it would actually require you to watch other teams, other players and other coaches to give a valid answer. I ask this question on texts I get from friends, and others and my responses are different, depending on who is asking the question.

Here is the actual problem with RU fans in general......

A) They listen to the WRONG people.....and cannot de-program themselves once they hear something that is hideous and wrong.

B) They believe basketball is not coached 24/7/365 and that no other coaching staffs watch film....

Here is a simple answer, since MOST RU fans are football centric and illogical.....let me change the subject to football....

Is Athan Kaliakmanis a good QB....?? Most RU fans would say YES today, because the last things they saw from the offense was scoring points and the QB is not Noah Vedral, Gavin Wimsatt, Art Sitkowski or Chris Laviano...

Here is what makes a good QB.....great plays made at WR....

There is literally NO difference between the QB play in the 1st 7 to 8 games EXCEPT, Schiano stopped putting Chris Long out at WR and it took an injury to Fletcher to force 4 WRs to play.....which meant Korey Duff AND Ian Strong would play more snaps with Dymere Miller and some Dremel mixed in.

Eventually after one long pass where Duff and Strong made plays downfield on 1 on 1 plays, suddenly the RU offense looked normal.....and as those 2 big WRs become more difficult for opponents to stop, the QB play somehow magically appears better.

I'm not here to pick on Chris Long, he is on our roster, but he is vastly different in talent, size and athletic ability.....he is NOT Duff or Strong and suddenly the QB looks better.

SO....to answer your Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey question.....I don't know but you simply cannot evaluate a coaching staff, if you put vastly inferior players who have no business being on a B1G roster and start them, and then complain about the roster supporting Dylan and Ace.

I don't know if Pike is at fault UNTIL the lineup removes the inferior players and places the better players on the court consistently with Dylan and Ace.

Schiano didn't suddenly become a better offensive coach or coach in the last 4 games....it was more Duff and Strong being featured, mixed with an already strong running game.

I could CLEARLY argue, it is a fire-worthy offense, to have Duff, Strong and others sitting behind our other WRs in the midst of a 4 game losing streak.....when RU EASILY could or should be 9-3, if they played Strong and Duff from Game 1, Day 1. We don't lose to Nebraska or UCLA/Illinois if we committed to the better/younger players from the beginning.

Disagree if you like but these are FACTS.....instead we heard injuries this and injuries that, like no one else had starters out across CFB....

I will reserve commentary in regards to Pike until I see the 5 to 7 best playmakers consistently getting minutes for 3 to 4 weeks in a row.
So who are your best 5-7 players in hoops?
 
Incorrect. Lots of plays run for them. You can argue they could be run better or there are more effective options but there are plays run for them almost every time down the court.
Giving them the ball and telling them to shoot is not running a play!
 
Not an x or o understanding fan of the sport by any means

Is it possible that players of the caliber of Dylan and Ace just freelance their offense in high school, overpowering their opponent with strength and ability, without a really organized offensive scheme? At the same time, defense is an afterthought as long as you score more than the other guy

I had heard that Cooper Flag was a good defensive player going back to high school, not so much these two

When we played Alabama, Dylan once again found he could resort to what worked in high school, physically forcing his way to the basket, which can work against some that we play against, but not the majority at this level, where defense is equally important

Possibly Pike took the approach to let these two, do their own thing, as much as possible.....and its not working
Agreed!
 
Again, 52 minutes, 4 rebounds, 2 points and 7 turnovers for Martini....do you actually believe that's impossible to do better than that??
Neither. I honestly would go with 2 lineups.
“Positionless” starters
Dylan, Ace, Lathan, JWill, PJ/Acuff whoever is hot

“Traditional”
Big E, Dylan, Ace, Justin, Grant
 
I don’t think Pike was in an easy position but I do think it’s looking like he made the wrong call. I believe the “rumor” on Lathan’s end. It makes too much sense. He wasn’t coming here to potentially be a 3rd string because it would kill his NIL prospects for next year. He could’ve gone to a bad mid major and put up pretty looking stats. Nobody is doubting that. So yeah - I’m sure he let Pike know that. But no - it’s not true that we passed up on guys like Cliff to keep him. We learned that we simply could not afford those guys. what I believe is very likely true is we decided not to pursue proven utility centers like Shaq Doorson or Carter in favor of keeping Lathan. Fans looking at the points stats aren’t seeing the big picture. Other guys would be scoring more with a veteran center in the game who knows how to kick the ball out. That is a really big part of the game.
 
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I don’t think Pike was in an easy position but I do think it’s looking like he made the wrong call. I believe the “rumor” on Lathan’s end. It makes too much sense. He wasn’t coming here to potentially be a 3rd string because it would kill his NIL prospects for next year. He could’ve gone to a bad mid major and put up pretty looking stats. Nobody is doubting that. So yeah - I’m sure he let Pike know that. But no - it’s not true that we passed up on guys like Cliff to keep him. We learned that we simply could not afford those guys. what I believe is very likely true is we decided not to pursue proven utility centers like Shaq Doorson or Carter in favor of keeping Lathan. Fans looking at the points stats aren’t seeing the big picture. Other guys would be scoring more with a veteran center in the game who knows how to kick the ball out. That is a really big part of the game.
As we saw, it's not like Cliff is different at Alabama. He splits time there as a fifth yr senior. I doubt our results are really different if Cliff stayed. You give up some defensively with Sommerville but he's much better offensively. Hopefully his minutes expand as the season progresses.
 
Mag was far more than a player who simply hustled. rebounded and played defense.
Before his injury Mag was a devastating presser, an elite defender on the level of McConnell.
A difference maker on D who could alter games and shut down opponents best players.
Perhaps Hawk… It’s you who don’t know what you’re looking at.

From my vantage point within an ear shot of Pike, I was amazed at what he did defensively.

Post injury he’s not remotely the same player imo
 
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We don’t run anything for Dylan and Ace? Really what is about screens, pick and rolls, and numerous other sets?
Right now we lack crisp ball and player movement, good crisp passing, to much standing around while Daylen and Ace play one on one, which quickly turns into full double teams or single coverage with a strong hedge.
Dylan and Ace are great talents but we are not going to win Big 10 games against good very well coached teams playing two on five
 
As we saw, it's not like Cliff is different at Alabama. He splits time there as a fifth yr senior. I doubt our results are really different if Cliff stayed. You give up some defensively with Sommerville but he's much better offensively. Hopefully his minutes expand as the season progresses.
We would be much better if he was here. Full stop. Dylan would find him for dunks and cliff passes the ball. He would be a huge upgrade on D. Massive.
 
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