O.T.-CC Sabathia checks himself into alcohol rehab clinic

[RutgersRaRa]

How do you know?

Geez...get some perspective

He has perspective, it's just different than yours. CC made decisions along the way to put himself in the situation he's in. We can applaud people for seeking help rather than denying the problem and continuing in it, but at the same time we can hold them accountable for putting themselves in the situation to begin with.

 

[csphi]

He has perspective, it's just different than yours. CC made decisions along the way to put himself in the situation he's in. We can applaud people for seeking help rather than denying the problem and continuing in it, but at the same time we can hold them accountable for putting themselves in the situation to begin with.

Wrong

No one is making excuses for his behavior

But, your life and your family comes before your profession

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Wrong

No one is making excuses for his behavior

But, your life and your family comes before your profession

It does, but it's okay for others to be pissed at him getting in this situation to begin with. We've gotten to a point where, merely by someone acknowledging that they have a problem and is walking away from people to whom he had certain responsibilities, we aren't allowed to say that they screwed up. It's not okay to say that nobody else in the world matters other than CC's family. They matter the most, but the others, such as his teammates, employers, and fans, aren't irrelevant merely because his family matters more.

What if his own family is pissed at him--are they wrong?

 

[soundcrib]

Did he get "caught"?

 

[RUMBA-JK]

What if his own family is pissed at him--are they wrong?

-- well, their feelings would certainly be understandable ..
just like their feelings of heartbreak, disappointment, frustration, distrust, humiliation, fear, embarrassment, despair, guilt, agony and so much more.

Safe to say this is a situation that did not just develop over night - and his family has been dealing (or not dealing) with it for some time.

 

[BeKnighted]

Obviously the timing could be better from the perspective of the Yankees' postseason hopes, but the right timing for someone to get help with alcoholism is as soon as that person realizes help is necessary. And if the story in the NY Times is right, the sequence of events is that Sabathia reached out to the Yankees Sunday to tell them he needed help, and they acted immediately, doing what was best for him.

This may be the only time I ever say anything nice about the Yankees, but they did something really good here. They could have told Sabathia they'd get him into rehab after the playoffs, but they didn't. They did what needed to be done, even at potential risk of the team's performance in the postseason. That's 100% the right thing to do.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

What if his own family is pissed at him--are they wrong?

-- well, their feelings would certainly be understandable ..
just like their feelings of heartbreak, disappointment, frustration, distrust, humiliation, fear, embarrassment, despair, guilt, agony and so much more.

Safe to say this is a situation that did not just develop over night - and his family has been dealing (or not dealing) with it for some time.

That's my point about fans' disappointment, which is that just as the family has a right to be upset, so do others. It's only sports, I get that, but being in the public's eye, and having an entire team and organization of which you are a vital part, comes with responsibility. This too shall pass, but those thinking that fans should be elated because CC is in this situation are wrongheaded. When someone makes mistakes, it hurts people. And CC put himself in a position to make mistakes, and it came crashing down at a time when it is most noticeable.

 

[RU31trap]

Forgive my pessimism but I find it rather odd that he's going into rehab just before the post season. He's their best pitcher and hundreds of millions are on the line assuming they make it to the a World Series. Something doesn't add up here.

 

[BeKnighted]

Forgive my pessimism but I find it rather odd that he's going into rehab just before the post season. He's their best pitcher and hundreds of millions are on the line assuming they make it to the a World Series. Something doesn't add up here.

Are you saying that he really failed a drug test? Or do you think it's something else?

Personally, I'm inclined to take it at face value. Alcoholism is a nasty business, and when someone decides he needs help, there's no good reason to wait.

 

[Caliknight]

There's gotta be footage somewhere of CC's shenanigans.

The CC Sabathia sex tape. The world can't wait.

That statement is completely ignorant and stupid, you are beyond clueless
LT drank more and had a cocaine addiction on top.

I'd say he was an anomaly as a football player. Most wouldn't be able to perform at that level abusing their bodies like that. You hear about it much more often in baseball.

 

[zappaa]

that's a full fledge lie, actually it occurs less in baseball, you are completely and utterly clueless and ignorant on the subject. Nor do you have any idea of the timing, coordination, strength and athletic ability a man needs to play at that level.
I know.

 

[MADHAT1]

Are you saying that he really failed a drug test? Or do you think it's something else?

Personally, I'm inclined to take it at face value. Alcoholism is a nasty business, and when someone decides he needs help, there's no good reason to wait.

"Alcoholism is a nasty business, and when someone decides he needs help, there's no good reason to wait."
I'm sure his teammates and all that care for him agree with what you said and support his decision to enter rehab now instead of waiting till the Yankee's post season is over.

 

[mikershoein]

One would think that a Moderator would have a bit more class and maturity on a subject like this.

Yah spanky, get some class!!!!!


Just kidding, that's absolutely hilarious from our friendly Yankee fans that are suffering

I heard CC can open beer bottles requiring a bottle opener with his belly button, that's some serious navel depth

 

[Knightmoves]

Forgive my pessimism but I find it rather odd that he's going into rehab just before the post season. He's their best pitcher and hundreds of millions are on the line assuming they make it to the a World Series. Something doesn't add up here.

Disagree that he's their best pitcher. Maybe highest paid but his performance this season was far short of expectations. 6-10 W-L record with 4.76 ERA and gave up 28 HR's.

Would he have remained a starter in post season or be sent to the bullpen ? On the field he is not a loss for Yanks at this point. Better that he dries out and comes back in the Spring. He's another wasted long term contract for an aging starting pitcher. And he was ready to opt out on his contract until the Yanks foolishly extended him a few years ago.

 

[mikershoein]

There is another question here, when was his employer aware, and at what point did they interject. I find it hard (not impossible though) to believe the Yankee organization was caught off guard, maybe they were trying to control it in house and it was not working . Until there is an investigation, 60 minutes interview or a tell all autobiography we'll never know

 

[Scarlet1984]

Touchy feely? We're in a baby culture in which truth, or elements of it, are subordinated to appease our feelings. Sometimes the truth hurts--it'll set you free, but it can make you miserable at first. CC needs to lose weight, no doubt about it, and CC fvcked up by drinking too much. If we'd stop trying to protect everyone feelings, including our own, we'd have a shot at 1) Staying healthier knowing that we'll be called out on our shit, and 2) Not be such babies.

Also, why would a Mod be mature? The nature of anybody wanting that job is a general lack of maturity. I say that as a compliment.

But, I digress.

Guys makes a classless joke and gets called out. Nothing to do with baby culture. Crassness is the new classy I guess.

 

[BeKnighted]

"Alcoholism is a nasty business, and when someone decides he needs help, there's no good reason to wait."
I'm sure his teammates and all that care for him agree with what you said and support his decision to enter rehab now instead of waiting till the Yankee's post season is over.

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not. Certainly, a lot of people don't really understand that alcoholism is a disease and that you need to deal with it as soon as possible, so I wouldn't be surprised if some teammates think he should have waited. However, it does appear that Yankees management did support the decision, and probably facilitated it.

 

[Knightmoves]

There is another question here, when was his employer aware, and at what point did they interject. I find it hard (not impossible though) to believe the Yankee organization was caught off guard, maybe they were trying to control it in house and it was not working . Until there is an investigation, 60 minutes interview or a tell all autobiography we'll never know

The NY Post can answer your questions. Why do we always have to play the blame game against someone other than the main character in the story ?

http://nypost.com/2015/10/06/the-weekend-long-bender-behind-cc-sabathias-rehab-stay/

 

[MADHAT1]

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not. Certainly, a lot of people don't really understand that alcoholism is a disease and that you need to deal with it as soon as possible, so I wouldn't be surprised if some teammates think he should have waited. However, it does appear that Yankees management did support the decision, and probably facilitated it.

Not sarcastic.
I feel when you accept you need help and put getting help off, it becomes easier to find reasons to keep putting it off.
I'm sure the Yankee organization and his teammates knew that his problems needed to be taken care of before anything else and supported his going into rehab.

 

[mikershoein]

The NY Post can answer your questions. Why do we always have to play the blame game against someone other than the main character in the story ?

http://nypost.com/2015/10/06/the-weekend-long-bender-behind-cc-sabathias-rehab-stay/

oh no, i don't blame the Yankees. In fact they should have an out in the contract.

Whats weird is the GM and manager state that their shocked, the article refers to CC as the "celebratory booze wrangler" and have 2 to 3 documented situations that would require a sit down and explanation, which you hoped showed the signs of an alcoholic.

 

[Doteman]

He gave up Captain Crunch for Captain Morgan

 

[ru66]

there are many holier than thou people on this board--there but for the grace of God adage is meaningless to many

 

[RU_Planning]

oh no, i don't blame the Yankees. In fact they should have an out in the contract.

Whats weird is the GM and manager state that their shocked, the article refers to CC as the "celebratory booze wrangler" and have 2 to 3 documented situations that would require a sit down and explanation, which you hoped showed the signs of an alcoholic.

Reading comprehension is tough. "While he’s not regarded as a big drinker, Sabathia was the team’s celebratory booze wrangler."

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Guys makes a classless joke and gets called out. Nothing to do with baby culture. Crassness is the new classy I guess.

I didn't see it as a joke, I saw it as truth. Crass, no doubt, but this is the northeast, and we're direct. Had my friends in South Carolina made the same point, they would have said, "Now he can make himself more huggable to his Mama, bless his heart."

If CC's rehab is successful, part of his program will be to get control over his addictive personality, part of which showed up in his diet. The very thing that makes an athlete push himself to the wall to get as good as CC is is the same mechanism, for lack of a better word, that causes him to take other things too far. His challenge is to learn how to allow the good things (his pitching, his kindness, etc.) to manifest, and to prevent the harmful things (drinking, eating, etc.) from running loose.

 

[ClassOf02]

Lots of assumptions in this thread from people who aren't even remotely involved, but I guess that's what comes with a public figure having this type of issue.

Hope CC turns things around.

 

[mikershoein]

Reading comprehension is tough. "While he’s not regarded as a big drinker, Sabathia was the team’s celebratory booze wrangler."

Oh boy, here we go, I didn't care enough to cut and paste on and iPhone

Think of me what you want, hope he gets better. I'm just saying people don't wake up from a long weekend and declare their an alcoholic, ( or even his two prior incidents in 2014 and 2015)he built this reputation over years and I think it's laughable that no one was is observing the $125 million dollar man over the years, but document every fart A Rod rips out his stinky ass

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Oh boy, here we go, I didn't care enough to cut and paste on and iPhone

Think of me what you want, hope he gets better. I'm just saying people don't wake up from a long weekend and declare their an alcoholic, ( or even his two prior incidents in 2014 and 2015)he built this reputation over years and I think it's laughable that no one was is observing the $125 million dollar man over the years, but document every fart A Rod rips out his stinky ass

Word is that this is why he and Madonna didn't last.

 

[zappaa]

Oh boy, here we go, I didn't care enough to cut and paste on and iPhone

Think of me what you want, hope he gets better. I'm just saying people don't wake up from a long weekend and declare their an alcoholic, ( or even his two prior incidents in 2014 and 2015)he built this reputation over years and I think it's laughable that no one was is observing the $125 million dollar man over the years, but document every fart A Rod rips out his stinky ass

Food for thought Mike-
You're at a Rutgers tailgate for 6 hours drinking, the game sucks so you all leave and go back to tail-gaiting at half time.
On the way home you get into an accident where someone gets hurt or killed, after never giving it much though prior to the accident, all of a sudden you become an out of control alcoholic and volunteer yourself to rehab to impress the judge.
I'm just saying, it's amazing how circumstances change functional people into addicts.
My daughter is a therapist and works in rehabs…lots a game going on in those places, lots of job and freedom saving.

 

[BeKnighted]

Oh boy, here we go, I didn't care enough to cut and paste on and iPhone

Think of me what you want, hope he gets better. I'm just saying people don't wake up from a long weekend and declare their an alcoholic, ( or even his two prior incidents in 2014 and 2015)he built this reputation over years and I think it's laughable that no one was is observing the $125 million dollar man over the years, but document every fart A Rod rips out his stinky ass

Alcoholics are very good at covering for themselves. My state assemblyman for many years when I still lived in New Jersey, Richard Van Wagner, was a recovering alcoholic (and quite open about it with his constituents - I'm not revealing any secrets here), and he used to tell stories about the things he did to keep people from finding out, including walking home from bars in the middle of the night so he couldn't get picked up for DWI.

Also, it's remarkable how hard it is to tell someone is an alcoholic unless you're confronted with it. For instance, most people don't associate one or two or even five or ten incidents over a period of years with someone being an alcoholic, particularly if you're a pro athlete who's expected to blow off steam periodically. And if you look at Sabathia's performance this year, he made pretty much all of his starts (29) and threw a decent number of innings (less than in the past, but he was coming off an injury that held him below 50 innings last year). There's nothing in particular to suggest he had trouble making it to games or putting in his work between games, which usually are the kinds of things that make people notice a problem. (In fact, I'd say that being a starting pitcher is exactly the kind of job that makes it easy to hide being an alcoholic - you basically have to be okay one day out of five.)

 

[DJ Spanky]

The NY Post can answer your questions. Why do we always have to play the blame game against someone other than the main character in the story ?

http://nypost.com/2015/10/06/the-weekend-long-bender-behind-cc-sabathias-rehab-stay/

Damn shame - you have to think there's something else there which is driving the drinking. Some inner demon that's getting to him when he's not involved in a game. I commend him for stepping forward and going this route - leaving it until after the playoffs may have put him in a self-destructive spiral while the playoffs were going on.

 

[derleider]

Guys makes a classless joke and gets called out. Nothing to do with baby culture. Crassness is the new classy I guess.

We;ve always been in a culture that subordinates parts of the truth in order to not hurt people's feelings. Its called being civil. I assume that the original author of that statement also tells his wife her ass looks fat in that new dress, because god for bid he doesn't hurt her feelings.

 

[NickKnight 1]

...and to think he's the ONLY person on the roster who looked good the past week. Get better CC. :angry:

Hmm. Maybe the Yankees could put a 6 pack on the mound for each pitcher.:smiley:

 

[czxqa]

there are many holier than thou people on this board--there but for the grace of God adage is meaningless to many

Having walked about fifty miles in those shoes and gotten to the far bitter end of that road, I for one am glad CC is reaching out to get the help he needs now. Last piece of shit anyone needs is to be hanging on by a thread in a hospital room surrounded by their young kids because they blew out their liver from drinking. Trust me. It sucks for everyone around you.

 

[mikershoein]

Food for thought Mike-
You're at a Rutgers tailgate for 6 hours drinking, the game sucks so you all leave and go back to tail-gaiting at half time.
On the way home you get into an accident where someone gets hurt or killed, after never giving it much though prior to the accident, all of a sudden you become an out of control alcoholic and volunteer yourself to rehab to impress the judge.
I'm just saying, it's amazing how circumstances change functional people into addicts.
My daughter is a therapist and works in rehabs…lots a game going on in those places, lots of job and freedom saving.

Certainly possible, kind of like famous guys cheating on their wives then claiming their sex addicts and need to go to rehab. I'm just saying he had a reputation based on the news article

 

[RUMBA-JK]

The CC Sabathia sex tape. The world can't wait.


I'd say he was an anomaly as a football player. Most wouldn't be able to perform at that level abusing their bodies like that. You hear about it much more often in baseball.

Yeah LT was amazing - but when it comes to wild & crazy NFL Football players who could perform at awesome level while buzzed / high / what ever - he was not alone - Remember John Riggins? Bobby Layne? Joe Namath ? Mike Rossman? Jim Thorpe? and on and on ...

 

[zappaa]

NHL commissioner just admitted drug problem in NHL, cocaine being added to banned substances.

 

[mikershoein]

Finally, those Canadians and Russians .....