You would not get more than 2 or 3 or B1G teams to agree to reduce rosters. That would never be accepted by the vast majority of the P5 programs. You would get way more votes among the P5 programs to expand rosters back to 95 players or whatever it was in this 1970s.
Only one way to keep college football competitive
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How are you going to play an entire season with 65 players? It not like the NFL where you can sign or bring in new players mid season. The NFL allows 55 roster plus 16 practice squad. They still need mid seasons signings.
Plus add in the transfer portal where you could loss 5, 10, 15 players during the course of the year, that is in addition to injuries and other traditional reasons rosters get depleted during a season. Like I said, if you put in front of the P5 programs you would get way more votes for expanding the rosters.
After 8 years of the College Football Championship Game we have 6 different teams involved in the final game and that includes single appearances by Oregon and LSU. So basically it has been two of the same four teams every year - not healthy for the sport and the ratings are already starting to bear that out.
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With me being an SEC guy you would think that I would be happy with the SEC winning something like 12 of the last 16 national championships, but I am not. That’s not parity, that’s dominance. I want to see more competition for the titles.
Going to 12 teams in the playoff will mean 4-5 SEC teams in the mix. NIL means the teams with SSS, like Texas A&M will have more prominence than before. Alabama, as long as Saban coaches, will be there. We need the Cincinnatti’s and teams from non SEC to be ultra competitive to keep college football interesting.
NIL and the transfer portal are changing college football, and I fear NOT for the betterment of the game.
Going to 12 teams in the playoff will mean 4-5 SEC teams in the mix. NIL means the teams with SSS, like Texas A&M will have more prominence than before. Alabama, as long as Saban coaches, will be there. We need the Cincinnatti’s and teams from non SEC to be ultra competitive to keep college football interesting.
NIL and the transfer portal are changing college football, and I fear NOT for the betterment of the game.
Agree with all this. Also I'm a Cincinnati fan and looking forward to our opener next year! Will start travel planning for that in the next couple of months.
There are actually kids that still consider themselves student athletes. Just saying. I have heard people mention a draft but that just cant work
Made me think- what about transferring players can choose either not sitting a year or getting a NIL deal from the new school in that first year? Not able to do both?
This is good point. There is no pool of players to call up or sign off the street - unless you going to start having mid-season open tryouts for a LB or WR among the student body.
Obviously COVID made things worse this year but how many NFL teams were scrambling to even have enough players available?
How many teams were signing players off other teams practice squad just to have a full roster?
RE: NIL - At this point, the horse has left the stable. It's all about damage limitation going forward. The main concern is that not every college football player creates value above what they are already receiving in terms of scholarship, meal plan, & housing.
Is it possible for the Alliance to put something into place like no problem with NIL deals below a certain amount -- let's call it 30K/year, which is around minimum wage. And then you can have up to 3 players where there is no cap -- like how MLS handles "star", designated players (ie: the "David Beckham rule").
Is it possible for the Alliance to put something into place like no problem with NIL deals below a certain amount -- let's call it 30K/year, which is around minimum wage. And then you can have up to 3 players where there is no cap -- like how MLS handles "star", designated players (ie: the "David Beckham rule").
Why would we want to limit ourselves when other teams are not obligated to?
Why would we side with the ACC/Big 12/PAC 10 and just let the SEC and the rest of CFB continue with no additional restrictions?
Rutgers needs to be attempting to maximize the limits of the rules - not put further restrictions in place on ourselves.
Why would we want to let a school like Cincy or Temple have the opportunity to "out-recruit" us just because of some fake rule?
SEC teams are going to land their 4/5 star talent with or without NIL (ie: bag men).
The issue is NIL creates a situation where you could have a bunch of competing schools driving up the price for even a marginal player. At some point, that model will become unstable.
Rather than compete with each other for talent, we would work together to control the pricing. Let the SEC go ahead and take the top 25% of talent. They are going to pay through the nose for it.
The rest of us can still play competitive ball -- vast majority of college players aren't NFL caliber.
If Cincy or Temple can somehow come up with the 30 million per class that it will take to keep up with the Texas A&M's, I say let them.
I know it can't.
It woudn't hold up in court anyway.
BTW, the NFL draft shouldn't either.
It holds up in professional sports because you have a choice if you want to join them or not. Education is a right, not a job.
College will never been even and it's only going to get worse for smaller programs now with NIL and the instant transfer rule. Top teams will cherry pick all the late blooming gems from smaller programs after they prove their worth for a year or two.
And people thought that would benefit smaller schools, LOL. Expanding the playoffs which isn't going to happen soon without major concessions isn't going to help either. There are 1-3 schools capable of winning a championship each year.
If you want things to be more even, make the NFL have their own minor league and have college sports go back to being college sports.
And people thought that would benefit smaller schools, LOL. Expanding the playoffs which isn't going to happen soon without major concessions isn't going to help either. There are 1-3 schools capable of winning a championship each year.
If you want things to be more even, make the NFL have their own minor league and have college sports go back to being college sports.
Our best bet unless our high net worth donors start ponying up is to create a plug and play system where we always have a guy ready to step up if another player has a good year and leaves. Guys like Tom Savage would be one and dones at RU before taking boatloads of cash and absolutely lighting it up at the blue bloods. Tom probably would have been at a school like Wisconsin after his freshman year putting up NFL numbers and raking in 1M+
So based off the Michigan blow out loss the Big 10 shouldn't be in the playoffs either??
The list is long and distinguished and includes teams like Oklahoma, Notre Dame and even Ohio State that have been blown out in the CFP.
From now on, Hobbs' primary focus should be lining up annual NIL deals to the tune of 5-10 million a year to cover revenue sports. No excuses. I'd be on the phone non-stop with RWJBarnabas, J&J, Wall Street firms, and top donors shaking that money tree 24/7. If he can't line the deals up, it's time for a new AD. The name of the game is cash, cash, cash, everything else comes second now.
Who at those places have rich Rutgers Alums? I see this all the time when people bring up we are NYC's team. So what?? We aren't getting money from rich Wall Street people because they went to some other college.
RWJ Barnabas and Johnson and Johnson have no interest in Rutgers sports. Our stadium is named after a company I've never heard of and the RAC is named after a sub shop.
Uh, RWJ partnered with us on the practice facility and Jersey Mikes just signed a deal to sponsor the RAC...
Who cares what the sponsor is, all that matter is they pony up. The money is out there, just have to find it.
Go back and read my post. Isn't Jersey Mike's a sub shop??
What Wall Street firm has thrown big money at RU?? Let Hobbs keep doing what he is doing. You could be the greatest fundraiser but no one is throwing $$ at bottom feeders.
Under the BCS system, I think there was an outside chance of getting into the national championship game. And anything can happen in one game.
Odds got even better when we got to the Big Ten.
But with a playoff? Now we have to win the conference then probably beat two SEC teams.
It's gonna take a lot of NIL money to build a title contender...
Odds got even better when we got to the Big Ten.
But with a playoff? Now we have to win the conference then probably beat two SEC teams.
It's gonna take a lot of NIL money to build a title contender...
Only 2 teams haven't been blown out in the playoffs and that is LSU and Georgia.
Alabama
Florida St
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
Ohio St
Clemson
Cincinnati
Washington
Michigan
Michigan St
Are the other teams that have made a playoff and all have been blown out at least once, Oklahoma & Notre Dame with the most.
We need fewer playoff games and more competitive/entertaining games.
I've said this in other places, but here's how I would decide a champion:
At the end of the regular season, rank the conference strength via committee and computers.
If the champ of the strongest conference has a better record than any other conference champ and/or top 4 independent, they are declared national champs, no playoffs needed. Then play the traditional bowl games as normal. If kids want to opt out of these exhibitions, no problem. That should even out the talent and make for better games anyway like we saw in the Rose Bowl (Utah/OSU).
If the champ of the strongest conference doesn't have better record than all the other champs, hold playoffs with the following eligibility:
Traditional bowl games become a reward again (as opposed to a glorified first round playoff game) and those games should be more competitive.
I've said this in other places, but here's how I would decide a champion:
At the end of the regular season, rank the conference strength via committee and computers.
If the champ of the strongest conference has a better record than any other conference champ and/or top 4 independent, they are declared national champs, no playoffs needed. Then play the traditional bowl games as normal. If kids want to opt out of these exhibitions, no problem. That should even out the talent and make for better games anyway like we saw in the Rose Bowl (Utah/OSU).
If the champ of the strongest conference doesn't have better record than all the other champs, hold playoffs with the following eligibility:
- 2nd & 3rd strongest champs are in if equal or better record than #1 champ
- 4th & 5th strongest champs are in if better record than #1 champ
- Independents in the top 4 are in if better record than #1 champ
Traditional bowl games become a reward again (as opposed to a glorified first round playoff game) and those games should be more competitive.
You need to expand your world then... $11 billion - 5000 employees largest minority/woman owned business in the US 38 offices and 8 countries- HQ in Somerset NJ...EXACTLY the type of company that should be supporting Rutgers Athletics.
Hasn't it already waned? Most college football fans know that their teams aren't involved. I could care less if Bama beats Clemson beats Oklahoma beats UGa beats Bama.....
Regarding the comment that the NCAA better do something.... Is the NCAA the body that is involved in the college playoffs? I thought it was a different entity. It isn't like the FCS NCAA football championship. Maybe the NCAA needs to regain some of the control over the FBS that it lost back in the 1980s when UGa and Oklahoma sued them over the right to negotiate their own TV contracts.
Personally, I would like to see a 32 team playoff, with no byes. That is about 1/4 of the FBS schools (compared to the 70% or so that played in bowls this season (or would have played had it not been for COVID. Football could become like NCAA basketball, where the goal is to "make it the dance." Most teams know that they aren't going to win it all but the challenge is to see how far they can advance. That would give more football teams and their fan bases much more to get excited about for a good part of the season.
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One exception I can see to the “typical” programs monopolizing NIL, is smaller but rich programs like SMU exploiting their ridiculously rich fan base. That may be a smaller school, but it has a disproportionally hyper wealthy alumni base. They can compete with the A&Ms and Texas’s of the world. Duke can…Stanford can!
just accept that college sports has forever been changed. Hopefully RU can get in on this NIL weaponizing. That genie is long out of the bottle!
just accept that college sports has forever been changed. Hopefully RU can get in on this NIL weaponizing. That genie is long out of the bottle!
I'd be very, very happy with 9/10 wins most years (including beating Penn State). People who seriously think we will play in the national title game in the next 20 years are completely delusional. I think we all can dream but the reality is not happening. And yes it will be more difficult if they expand the playoffs. However, it doesn't look good for expansion.
suggesting lowering the number of scholarships...and thus reducing the number young men to go to college for free just so more football teams could have a chance to win a trophy seem like athletic socialism...
