OSU game was very significant

[kapyoche]

I could not believe what I was watching yesterday. I thought yesterday's game was very significant if we want to be winners or a perennial road kill in the BIG. We are so far away that it is not possible to close the gap. To be relevant, we have to be competitive against the best as we were against West Virginia and Louisville in the Big East during the Schiano era.

Below are some of the reasons why I think yesterday's game was so significant:

1) OSU is the gold standard in the BIG so if you are not competitive against them then we are in BIG trouble. As you could see we could not even compete against a team that was essentially practicing.

2) OSU is a ranked #2 so their score gets mentioned all over the world and all people will get out of a score 58 - 0 is that why in the hell is OSU playing against such a pathetic team?

3) OSU placed 14 players in the NFL last year. Rutgers just one. We have a senior team that got manhandled by a team consisting of many unproven players from OSU. Some of them were underclassmen. Rutgers has been trying to fix this since 1869.

4) We have a coach from OSU who didn't look like he had any impact on this team against his ex team that he coached last year. He had no answers for their defense. This is one game where he had some advantage and it turned out to be a total disadvantage.

5) We had an ex-Rutgers coach who looked like he was Buddy Ryan the way he shut our offense down.

6) Why are we giving scholarships to players who are simply not ready to play and compete in the BIG. We could not have done any worse with walk-ons yesterday.

7) There is no five-year program to fix this. We have everything here to win now and we aren't. I guarantee that in five years this program will still not be over .500 against the BIG competition.

8) We had closed the gap in the Big East as we were competitive against West Virginia though we never beat them. We were all patient since we were so bad for so many years. No coach is going to get that kind of time to fix the program that Schiano got. Rutgers became a reputable program that was on its way to being a top 20 program. That was then. Now we may be the worst team in the power 5 conference.

9) When we joined the BIG, this was a good program and we had a decent team. We were making bowls just about every year for a long stretch. Now having even a winning record seems remote.

10) No one knows how to fix this NOW. It is always another five-year project. I want major changes in this program and team for what we saw yesterday. If they are not, then we will have to continue to accept being the road kill of the BIG. The gap seems much wider against the elite teams which is very disturbing.

I know this is a very pessimistic outlook, but we have not stopped taking steps backwards since joining the BIG. We can't coach; we can't play; we can't develop; we can't recruit. We simply suck.

 

[RU89]

Ok

 

[Plum Street]

1. Our players are the BIG stink. Talent is not there . Give ash some time to recruit . Flood didn't.

 

[RU89]

Ok

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Fantastic post.




NOT

 

[sct1111]

You mentioned that OSU had 14 players drafted last year and we had one and then you say we have the talent to compete now. Doesn't add up buddy.

This team has been getting less talented every year since 2012.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You mentioned that OSU had 14 players drafted last year and we had one and then you say we have the talent to compete now. Doesn't add up buddy.

This team has been getting less talented every year since 2012.

Some posters simply REFUSE to believe how poorly we recruited under the previous regime.

 

[Arizona Knight]

I'm not gonna lie, I too was disappointed to learn that Ash won't have us competing for a national championship this year

 

[RUMcMahon]

Can we add a dislike button ?

:thumbsdown:

 

[sct1111]

Some posters simply REFUSE to believe how poorly we recruited under the previous regime.

It's pretty evident by the complete lack of playmakers on offense and complete lack of any depth at positions like linebacker. Our secondary has a chance to be good but what happens when you can't get to the quarterback. What happens after JPO and Hamilton leave? It's not like they are even blowing up quarterbacks this year? There is no depth on this team at all.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Not one of our players would see significant time if on the Ohio State roster and to compound things our staff is way below the Ohio State staff. So essentially it was varsity against sub-varsity. And comically, we play them on the road where OSU had more time to prepare and get healthy. Head scratcher by the schedule makers.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Not one of our players would see significant time if on the Ohio State roster and to compound things our staff is way below the Ohio State staff. So essentially it was varsity against sub-varsity. And comically, we play them on the road where OSU had more time to prepare and get healthy. Head scratcher by the schedule makers.

They're in our division. We play them every year. Home...then away...then home...then away....there's really nothing there to scratch heads about.

 

[brgRC90]

Wtf is with all of these posters who thought we were going to be competitive with mother fvcking ohio state in game 5 of a new coach in a turnaround season?

 

[Mr_Twister]

They're in our division. We play them every year. Home...then away...then home...then away....there's really nothing there to scratch heads about.

Well understood. The only issue is the extra time off OSU had. They can handle us if they played the day before.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Wtf is with all of these posters who thought we were going to be competitive with mother fvcking ohio state in game 5 of a new coach in a turnaround season?

Simple: they thought that our recruiting was good enough, under Flood, that a brand new staff would automatically turn this roster into a 7 or 8-win season. I'd love to find BAC's "pre-season record prediction" thread and get a good laugh at those who thought that, but, they'll just blame Ash's coaching so not worth the effort.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Well understood. The only issue is the extra time off OSU had. They can handle us if they played the day before.

Okay you meant the bye week. It is what it is. Can't just give one team a week off "so they can rest" for a better team.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Are people really this delusional?

 

[MADHAT1]

I'm not gonna lie, I too was disappointed to learn that Ash won't have us competing for a national championship this year

Yes RU should have been in the NC hunt this season and I'm also disappointed.
But seeing the Scarlet Knights might be out of the picture this season [winking]
let this be our motto :
"Wait 'Till Next Year"
(as Brooklyn Dodger fans used to say at the end of the Dodgers' season used to say)

 

[urbanecane]

I understand the frustration, but I don't understand why we do this same woe is me song and dance every week. I'm frustrated that the administration hired an average offensive line coach to save a recruiting class. I'm frustrated that said coach was an outrageously bad recruiter and bad gameday coach. What we see now is a reflection of those mistakes. So many whiny threads now but I heard nothing when flood was out there recruiting against old dominion. Cut ash a break

 

[brgRC90]

Simple: they thought that our recruiting was good enough, under Flood, that a brand new staff would automatically turn this roster into a 7 or 8-win season. I'd love to find BAC's "pre-season record prediction" thread and get a good laugh at those who thought that, but, they'll just blame Ash's coaching so not worth the effort.

Are people really this delusional?

Some clearly are. And now I think some of our posters might be realizing that Gary Nova was better than he was given credit for, warts notwithtanding. Nova-Friedgen was probably the only reason our first season in the Big Ten was decent. As soon as those guys left the offense collapsed, and the defense was sinking like a rock all along.

 

[RUaMoose]

Wtf is with all of these posters who thought we were going to be competitive with mother fvcking ohio state in game 5 of a new coach in a turnaround season?

I thougt Kenny Parker combined with better hydration and endless midnight snacks would make a discernible difference.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

I could not believe what I was watching yesterday. I thought yesterday's game was very significant if we want to be winners or a perennial road kill in the BIG. We are so far away that it is not possible to close the gap. To be relevant, we have to be competitive against the best as we were against West Virginia and Louisville in the Big East during the Schiano era.

Below are some of the reasons why I think yesterday's game was so significant:

1) OSU is the gold standard in the BIG so if you are not competitive against them then we are in BIG trouble. As you could see we could not even compete against a team that was essentially practicing.

2) OSU is a ranked #2 so their score gets mentioned all over the world and all people will get out of a score 58 - 0 is that why in the hell is OSU playing against such a pathetic team?

3) OSU placed 14 players in the NFL last year. Rutgers just one. We have a senior team that got manhandled by a team consisting of many unproven players from OSU. Some of them were underclassmen. Rutgers has been trying to fix this since 1869.

4) We have a coach from OSU who didn't look like he had any impact on this team against his ex team that he coached last year. He had no answers for their defense. This is one game where he had some advantage and it turned out to be a total disadvantage.

5) We had an ex-Rutgers coach who looked like he was Buddy Ryan the way he shut our offense down.

6) Why are we giving scholarships to players who are simply not ready to play and compete in the BIG. We could not have done any worse with walk-ons yesterday.

7) There is no five-year program to fix this. We have everything here to win now and we aren't. I guarantee that in five years this program will still not be over .500 against the BIG competition.

8) We had closed the gap in the Big East as we were competitive against West Virginia though we never beat them. We were all patient since we were so bad for so many years. No coach is going to get that kind of time to fix the program that Schiano got. Rutgers became a reputable program that was on its way to being a top 20 program. That was then. Now we may be the worst team in the power 5 conference.

9) When we joined the BIG, this was a good program and we had a decent team. We were making bowls just about every year for a long stretch. Now having even a winning record seems remote.

10) No one knows how to fix this NOW. It is always another five-year project. I want major changes in this program and team for what we saw yesterday. If they are not, then we will have to continue to accept being the road kill of the BIG. The gap seems much wider against the elite teams which is very disturbing.

I know this is a very pessimistic outlook, but we have not stopped taking steps backwards since joining the BIG. We can't coach; we can't play; we can't develop; we can't recruit. We simply suck.

tl;dr

Started to read first line of post and decided to stop after the whining. Dumb post.

We are one of the least talented Big Ten teams playing with entirely new schemes and coaches against the number 2 team in the country. What did you think would happen? We lack size, speed, talent and FB IQ.

Things won't be markedly improved until maybe 2018. We should be worse in 2017 with all the 2012 Schiano recruits graduating especially along the lines. We are rebuilding an AAC team into a Big Ten team. It takes time.

I was just happy that our D was consistently making open field tackles and that our penalties are down this year. That is nice to see.

We should be competitive vs Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, PSU, Illinois and maybe even MSU. We have bottom tier talent. Not sure why it surprises you that we can't hang with top tier talent.

 

[RutgHoops]

3) OSU placed 14 players in the NFL last year. Rutgers just one. We have a senior team that got manhandled by a team consisting of many unproven players from OSU. Some of them were underclassmen. Rutgers has been trying to fix this since 1869.
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This is all it's about.

When a team playing Ohio State is lamenting the fact their starting walk on linebacker goes down that team likely lacks enough talent and enough depth. When the NFL draft again includes multiple Rutgers players we will be able to compete once again.

Not saying anyone has to enjoy 58-0, but recruiting in year 1, recruiting in year 2, and then lets see how Coach Ash performs as our HC. Establishing hisculture and system, regardless of how pained it can look at times is what we are going to see for a bit.

 

[jakeknight]

Good Grief get this straight we will not be competitive with OSU and Michigan until we start to string together 3 or 4 top ten recruiting classes and quite frankly all that will get us is the chance to compete with them not necessarily beat them. Why because they will continue to put together top ten or top 5 recruiting classes. What it will do if we can recruit at a much higher level is put us in the second tier of the big ten rather than the bottom of the third tier.

 

[cohwx]

I think there's a bunch of people posting here who need to step away from the program for a couple of years. It's gonna be rough, as this is a team that was slowly but relentlessly being dismantled by Flood over the past few years. It's going to take at least 2-3 years to recover from that and for the Ash recruits to make a significant impact...assuming he can keep the recruiting momentum going.

I hope we at least are competitive with the lower tier Big 10 teams remaining on the schedule, though that might become difficult if injuries mount.

 

[RUforlife]

I will say it over and over again, Northwestern was lost in the woods for decades, hired the right coach in 1991 and by 1995 they were in the Rose Bowl. For anybody who is old enough to remember the bad old days of Northwestern football it was far worse than anything we have ever experienced here at Rutgers. During one three year period in the 80s, Northwestern was 1-31-1.
My point is that you have to give this regime at least 4 years to turn the ship around, Ash might not be the right coach to do it, but there is no way any of us know that for certain at this point in time.

 

[Caliknight]

When you have a team full of NFL hopefuls and sure things competing against marginal D1 talent, this is what you get. No coach can close that gap.

OSU is very likely to win the NC, again. This game, as compared to Iowa, shows how advanced they are more than anything.

We have a long road to hoe to compete with that.

 

[mildone]

I'm trying to understand why anybody would have responded to the OP with any degree of seriousness.

 

[LC-88]

Nova-Friedgen was probably the only reason our first season in the Big Ten was decent. As soon as those guys left the offense collapsed, ......

Touchdown! I'd put Fridge at the top of the list, and add Caroo. On the other side of the coin. If Fridge did not leave, we'd still have Flood. While I'm at it, Fridge would have known how to use Rettig.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Are people really this delusional?

Yes.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Hamilton, Grant, Austin, Martin and possibly Oden one day, not now...could play at OSU. That's about it from our current roster.

 

[KevH]

Simple: they thought that our recruiting was good enough, under Flood, that a brand new staff would automatically turn this roster into a 7 or 8-win season. I'd love to find BAC's "pre-season record prediction" thread and get a good laugh at those who thought that, but, they'll just blame Ash's coaching so not worth the effort.

Makes you wonder what it'll take for some people to get it.

Look, I supported Flood, as I would any RU coach. I think, if a coach is hired, he should have a chance to prove whether he can get the job done or not. Flood got that chance but, as another poster mentioned in a separate thread, would he have gotten that chance if RU had the money to go in another direction?

The real damage was done, not in losses under Flood, but in his inability to recruit. The diamond-in-the-rough theory should now and forevermore be put to rest. Realistically speaking, the average FBS program can expect what... 1 or 2 under the radar gems each class if they're lucky? For an indication of our general talent level, look no further than the declining number of NFL players (draft or free agent) we're producing. Do we have some nice players? Yes. Do we have enough? Not even close. And I'm sure there are any number of good players that are not ready/not developed yet.

I believe Ash can get this done. We did okay with the last coordinator we hired from a big time program. I'm willing to bet Ash knows what he's doing, but four years worth of damage will take some time to repair.

 

[ArminRU]

So in summary.....OSU is good, we are not, we have players that are good enough to compete but aren't good enough for a scholarship, and the B1G is a tough conference.

Oh ok.

You also seem to have no idea how much the talent has declined since a few years ago.

How are you able to hold a job?

 

[TMCB]

Recruiting recruiting, Rutgers got placed in the best division in D1 football. 0ur program is 2-0 vs iu and 1-1 vs maryland and michigan. We would do better in the B10 west....... give ash time to get placers and put in the spread. We will get there....

 

[greenknight]

Cannot believe I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading stupidity

 

[miketd1]

Drinking game over...

 

[Caliknight]

I thougt Kenny Parker combined with better hydration and endless midnight snacks would make a discernible difference.

It did. Flood would have lost to New Mexico and got crushed by Iowa.

 

[Turtle31]

I'm still hung up on OP's statement that we were competitive with WVU during GS yrs......certainly not for 2/3rds of his tenure

 

[mikershoein]

I could not believe what I was watching yesterday. I thought yesterday's game was very significant if we want to be winners or a perennial road kill in the BIG. We are so far away that it is not possible to close the gap. To be relevant, we have to be competitive against the best as we were against West Virginia and Louisville in the Big East during the Schiano era.

Below are some of the reasons why I think yesterday's game was so significant:

1) OSU is the gold standard in the BIG so if you are not competitive against them then we are in BIG trouble. As you could see we could not even compete against a team that was essentially practicing.

2) OSU is a ranked #2 so their score gets mentioned all over the world and all people will get out of a score 58 - 0 is that why in the hell is OSU playing against such a pathetic team?

3) OSU placed 14 players in the NFL last year. Rutgers just one. We have a senior team that got manhandled by a team consisting of many unproven players from OSU. Some of them were underclassmen. Rutgers has been trying to fix this since 1869.

4) We have a coach from OSU who didn't look like he had any impact on this team against his ex team that he coached last year. He had no answers for their defense. This is one game where he had some advantage and it turned out to be a total disadvantage.

5) We had an ex-Rutgers coach who looked like he was Buddy Ryan the way he shut our offense down.

6) Why are we giving scholarships to players who are simply not ready to play and compete in the BIG. We could not have done any worse with walk-ons yesterday.

7) There is no five-year program to fix this. We have everything here to win now and we aren't. I guarantee that in five years this program will still not be over .500 against the BIG competition.

8) We had closed the gap in the Big East as we were competitive against West Virginia though we never beat them. We were all patient since we were so bad for so many years. No coach is going to get that kind of time to fix the program that Schiano got. Rutgers became a reputable program that was on its way to being a top 20 program. That was then. Now we may be the worst team in the power 5 conference.

9) When we joined the BIG, this was a good program and we had a decent team. We were making bowls just about every year for a long stretch. Now having even a winning record seems remote.

10) No one knows how to fix this NOW. It is always another five-year project. I want major changes in this program and team for what we saw yesterday. If they are not, then we will have to continue to accept being the road kill of the BIG. The gap seems much wider against the elite teams which is very disturbing.

I know this is a very pessimistic outlook, but we have not stopped taking steps backwards since joining the BIG. We can't coach; we can't play; we can't develop; we can't recruit. We simply suck.

Go away, no one wants to hear your negative ramblings

 

[BoroKnight]

Some posters simply REFUSE to believe how poorly we recruited under the previous regime.

Hey! We recruited great!!! You can't have decommits without first having commits!