Anybody who writes "Lawyers, Guns and Money" deserves all the accolades.
The song so strongly evokes Hunter S. Thompson that I sometimes just kinda fade out...
OT: 2023 Rock and Roll HOF Nominations and Billboard's Handicapping of Chances to Make It
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Anybody who writes "Lawyers, Guns and Money" deserves all the accolades.
The song so strongly evokes Hunter S. Thompson that I sometimes just kinda fade out...
Iron Maiden are one of, if not the most influential and respected heavy metal bands since Sabbath. Don’t know if the r&r hof is the place for them but they are absolutely music icons.
He saw the future. May he RIP:
I went home with the waitress, the way I always do
How was I to know, she was with the Russians, too?
I was gambling in Havana, I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money, dad, get me out of this, ha
I'm the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck between the rock and a hard place
And I'm down on my luck, yes I'm down on my luck
Well, I'm down on my luck
And I'm hiding in Honduras
I'm a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns, and money
The shit has hit the fan
Alright, send lawyers, guns, and money
Huh, yeah
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Uh
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Hey
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Oo, yeah
Yeah
Yeah
First off, very few artists have careers/output that are better after 10-15 years than in their first 5 years, so artists don't get credit for me for surviving. I'll take the WS first 5 years of output over the total output of anyone else on the nominee list, as I go for quality over quantity (same reason Nirvana is HOF material despite a small catalog). And you're also sounding like mildone here with the "mediocre" drumming comment he makes about Ringo and the Beatles. The point in both cases is that those drummers were perfect for those bands.
I’m not sure what all their alternate tunings are. I do know that they often tune down a half step on the guitar for many songs. That isn’t unusual for the style of music they often play.
Spot on. His solo band (featuring Greg Puciato) is going to be doing the theater in Montclair in March. Going with my two sons, can't wait.
I sat through the grave injustice of Jerry Cantrell opening for Nickelback. I ran out of Convention Hall in Asbury Park after Jerry Cantrell's set was done.
Ironically RATM is my all time favorite band and I still think they don’t quite deserve to be in R&R HOF.
If you haven't read it, Steve Gorman's book about his time in the band is pretty epic. Tons of great Robinson brother stories.
Why not? I loved RATM, and I still like them, but like many other artists I had admired, when they became overly political, I lost interest. Before this turns into finger-pointing at one side, I feel the same way about this regardless of the artist's politics. For example, Ted Nugent (who is a very talented guitarist) and the singer from Staind, turned off a lot of people because politics became part of their identity. On the other hand, artists like Bob Dylan and Pete Seeger built their careers as having political identity, and I admire both of their work.
That aside, and back to the merits of RATM, I lump them in with The White Stripes. Small catalog, and short term success. Four records, in eight years (1992-2000), selling 16 million records. Tom Morello is an extremely talented guitarist, and his style and technique were very innovative and creative.
The White Stripes- 6 albums over 8 years, and 5.6 million albums sold.
Back to Warren Zevon- total album sales 1.5 million. But what about influence, collaboration and status.
Summing up, while it is certainly not a criterion for the Hall of Fame, longevity and years of output matter to some of us. @RU848789 mentioned Nirvana. But Nirvana was considered ground-breaking and legendary, and they still are revered by many music fans and critics for what they did. Those bastids knocked hair metal off of MTV and out of popularity, and I hate them for it, but I still love them. Maybe they got an extra nod because Kurk Cobain is dead. But if that is the case, then Soundgarden and AIC should be in too
His divisive personality (putting that kindly) and antics and some really crappy solo albums aside, the work he did with the Amboy Dukes Damn Yankees was pretty damn good. Not a technical wiz, but he can jam.
I did not say great. I said talented. Imma come over dere and put a Continental and Hankook tire around you and make you listen to Wango Tango all day until you scream mercy!!!
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang would do the job better.
Whenever this comes on Sirius/XM, I say to my better half- "It's a love song."
what are everyones feelings about Kate Bush....its a no brainer for me BEFORE Stranger Things...In fact while I loved the song before and thought it was brilliant, I am hating the dozens of stupid remakes and dance remixes being done in the past year. This is a song you do not remake. Its like someone trying to remake Edge of Seventeen
It pairs quite well with Cat Scratch Fever or Thunder Thighs. A hopeless romantic, that Ted.
It’s crazy to me that Phish has not gotten a nomination. They unquestionably have one of the greatest guitarists of all time and are still selling out every single one of their tours. Most folks getting nominations couldn’t hold a candle to them in terms of musicality or longevity.
Might not be your cup of tea, but I thought the Placebo cover from years back is pretty good.
I put her in a similar category as Warren Zevon. Most definitely worthy. Not a huge amount of sales, but hugely influential on lots of artists and revered. Heck, just for her duet with Peter Gabriel "Don't Give Up," she deserves to be in.
And Joy Division/New Order-- seriously???
Back to Warren Zevon, good on Billy Joel here:
"If anyone deserves to be [in the Hall of Fame], he does," Joel told the Times. "He was a real original, and I don't know if that's appreciated enough."
Joel went on to describe Warren as like a "crazy brother I never had. He was fearless, and it stuck with me."
He argued that Warren "never got the attention he deserves ... He was a piano player, and we all tend to get lumped into this thing of 'They're not real rock guys' — which I don't think is fair, but I understand why it happens. Piano is perceived to be this middle-of-the-road instrument only played by dorks. But when I saw Warren, he was kind of breaking the piano to pieces, little by little, which I thought was an interesting style."
Billy Joel Personally Petitioned Rock Hall On Behalf Of Warren Zevon | iHeart
'Piano is perceived to be this middle-of-the-road instrument only played by dorks.' | iHeart
I once worked with a guy and talked music with him all of the time. He was a big Phish fan. I told him that Trey was an excellent guitarist, but I didn't care for any of their stuff. He loaned me five or six of their CDs...and I gave every one a good listen. Unfortunately their songs...such as they were.....did nothing for me. I've always been unable to ignore the lyrics to a tune. Theirs were among the dumbest I've ever heard. It was like they didn't even try. And IMO their music was not interesting enough to overcome any of that.
That being said, I've seen Trey play with the Dave Matthews Band and the remains of the Grateful Dead and I know how talented he is. Phish just didn't seem to create any music that I'd wanna hear again.
I know they have a huge following that follows them around Grateful Dead-style. I have a nephew that did that for a while. They just don't appeal to me.
Cada loco con su tema.
Seems like most here are in agreement on Cheryl Crow. The only person I ever heard rave about her talent and music was Lance Armstrong. That was before they broke up. And I didn't know there was a Clapton connection. Yuk!
The RRHOF has had a blind spot when it comes to certain genres.
I put her in a similar category as Warren Zevon. Most definitely worthy. Not a huge amount of sales, but hugely influential on lots of artists and revered. Heck, just for her duet with Peter Gabriel "Don't Give Up," she deserves to be in.
And Joy Division/New Order-- seriously???
Back to Warren Zevon, good on Billy Joel here:
"If anyone deserves to be [in the Hall of Fame], he does," Joel told the Times. "He was a real original, and I don't know if that's appreciated enough."
Joel went on to describe Warren as like a "crazy brother I never had. He was fearless, and it stuck with me."
He argued that Warren "never got the attention he deserves ... He was a piano player, and we all tend to get lumped into this thing of 'They're not real rock guys' — which I don't think is fair, but I understand why it happens. Piano is perceived to be this middle-of-the-road instrument only played by dorks. But when I saw Warren, he was kind of breaking the piano to pieces, little by little, which I thought was an interesting style."
Billy Joel Personally Petitioned Rock Hall On Behalf Of Warren Zevon | iHeart
'Piano is perceived to be this middle-of-the-road instrument only played by dorks.' | iHeartwww.iheart.com
um hello Joy Division/New Order incredibly influential..you are kidding me..way more influential than Zevon ...who exactly did Zevon influence????
Are you asking just about Running Up That Hil or Kate for the HOF? It's funny, I like KB fine, but she's not a huge favorite of mine, so in some other circles I'm getting crap from my alt/indie friends for not being a bigger fan, as they all think she should be in already, which I can see. She's been incredibly successful in the UK and many other countries, but not in the US, like many other post British Invasion UK artists, who aren't in the HOF, such as the Smiths, the Jam, and New Order.
its okay but the deal with iconic masterpieces from the original artists are that those songs were written and performed with emotion...the Edge of Seventeens, Running Up that Hill, Purple Rains can never be recaptured. Whitney Houston was the rare exception with the Dolly Parton song but even then most of the public hadnt heard that song before.
Zombie by the Cranberries was horribly done by that band Bad Wolves or whatever they were called.
omfg i would definitely see this
why does Calfornia always get shows like this...the festival in Asbury seems very bland compared to these 2 shows
why does Calfornia always get shows like this...the festival in Asbury seems very bland compared to these 2 shows
I could not name one Phish song if you gave me a million dollars, i would lose a fortune
I was shocked to see that Rupert Holmes wasn’t on the list. Now THAT’S pure (yacht) Rock and Roll.
We disagree here. Are you kidding me on Zevon? You focused on influential and overlooked revered (admired).
Zevon’s talent had made him one of the most admired musicians and songwriters in Los Angeles — Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, and members of the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, and the Beach Boys all lined up to back him on his classic self-titled 1976 breakthrough.
Bruce Springsteen, Tom Petty, and Don Henley played on his final album.
His Sh*t’s F***ed Up: The Complicated Legacy of Warren Zevon
The late singer-songwriter has been gone for 15 years, but his life and career still aren’t any easier to make sense of: He was as gifted, haunted, and destructive as any musician from his generation.
www.theringer.com
Don't recall two bands being lumped together to gain admission to rock and roll hall of fame.
Joy Division existed for a year or two? One Hit-Love will tear us apart?
New Order- two hits- Blue Monday and Regret?
Maybe I'm missing something. Just not seeing them vs. Zevon.
Warren Zevon and Willie Nelson definitely deserve to be inducted. Some of the others also belong.
Sheryl Crow has sold 50 million albums. She has a series of iconic songs from the 90's and early 2000's. 9 Grammie Awards wins + 32 nominations. Before becoming an A-list star, she sang backup for a number of acts, including Michael Jackson, Jimmy Buffett, Don Henley, Stevie Wonder, Rod Stewart, etc. She absolutely belongs in the HOF.
Leaving Las Vegas
All I Wanna Do
If It Makes You Happy
Every Day is a Winding Road
My Favorite Mistake
Soak Up the Sun
The First Cut is the Deepest
Sheryl Crow has sold 50 million albums. She has a series of iconic songs from the 90's and early 2000's. 9 Grammie Awards wins + 32 nominations. Before becoming an A-list star, she sang backup for a number of acts, including Michael Jackson, Jimmy Buffett, Don Henley, Stevie Wonder, Rod Stewart, etc. She absolutely belongs in the HOF.
Leaving Las Vegas
All I Wanna Do
If It Makes You Happy
Every Day is a Winding Road
My Favorite Mistake
Soak Up the Sun
The First Cut is the Deepest
If I hadn't seen most of the bands at the Cruel World festival back when they were actually making new, meaningful music, I'd probably be flying out there to see them - I've just never been that interested in seeing bands 30+ years past their prime playing their old hits. It's funny/ironic (to me at least), though, that I say that, but still go to the Melody reunions every year to hear and dance to music from a bunch of those bands. I think, though, that that is more about reliving fun times with old friends and my wife.omfg i would definitely see this
why does Calfornia always get shows like this...the festival in Asbury seems very bland compared to these 2 shows
I'd be much more interested in seeing the Just Like Heaven event, as those are all newer/newish bands some of whom I haven't seen (have seen YYY, MGMT, the Walkmen and Cults, but not the others, some of whom I like). However, it's a little odd that the festival is named for an old Cure song (our wedding song actually), but the Cure aren't playing it.
sure those are top 20 hits...and.....I can list a bunch of other artists too with hits
how many of those songs are still played today...one or two?
I would put the Pointer Sisters in well before Crow because of their complete body of work in the 70s and 80s transcending all kinds of genres and breaking down every playlist barrier and influencing many girl groups who came later mainly En Vogue and Destinys Child
We disagree here. Are you kidding me on Zevon? You focused on influential and overlooked revered (admired).
Zevon’s talent had made him one of the most admired musicians and songwriters in Los Angeles — Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, and members of the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, and the Beach Boys all lined up to back him on his classic self-titled 1976 breakthrough.
Bruce Springsteen, Tom Petty, and Don Henley played on his final album.
His Sh*t’s F***ed Up: The Complicated Legacy of Warren Zevon
The late singer-songwriter has been gone for 15 years, but his life and career still aren’t any easier to make sense of: He was as gifted, haunted, and destructive as any musician from his generation.
Don't recall two bands being lumped together to gain admission to rock and roll hall of fame.
Joy Division existed for a year or two? One Hit-Love will tear us apart?
New Order- two hits- Blue Monday and Regret?
Maybe I'm missing something. Just not seeing them vs. Zevon.
in fairness about Zevon, I will admit he is well beyond my era so I only know him from the Werewolves of London song...Bac was just a wee bit during his influential stuff
I agree the Pointers Sisters belong in the HOF.
Sheryl Crow has 6.5 million active listeners on Spotify. She has transitioned to more of a Country Music sound, but that doesn't detract from her greatness on the Rock N Roll stage. In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing her at Bottlerock in May.
And perhaps for me Joy Division/New Order, I have a blindspot. Blue Monday is a famous song, no doubt. But I struggled to find more than 3 or 4 songs that made them famous. Sure, the same can be said for Zevon. Like many things, particularly around art and music, these things are subject to debate and influenced by an individual's personal preferences and choices.
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