I still fear that too. I think Ward is the only QB worthy of going in the top 10. Former scout Nate Tice just had his film review of Sanders and it wasn’t pretty. Former QB Kurt Warner did one too and it wasn’t that good for him
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I can definitely see the rationale for that.
But I can see the rationale for taking BPA as well, ie winning this year.
Well, good front offices draft well and teams become good. Bad front office don't draft well and teams become bad. The Giants have had both . The organization has the third most NFL championships in league history, though, so they've had more than their share of good teams and good drafts.
No one is in love with Sanders.
Giants need a QB and should draft him if he’s there .
These moves show schoen and daboll are just trying to win 8 games to keep their jobs.
This is why I would seriously look to trade out of #3 if Sanders is still there. There will be another team that would love him and maybe still keep the Giant's in range for a guy like Jax Dart and get additional high picks.
Didn't you just read the post above yours that says no one is in love with Sanders.
It also enables the Giants to draft a QB, bring him into the system for a year, and then concentrate on winning games because they would not need to draft a QB in subsequent seasons. So there is a solid rationale beyond the current regime just needing to win games.
But yes they do need to win games.
So you like Dart more correct?
But the real question is do the Giants? And if they do, do they risk trading down with hopes of landing him later?
I think if they like Dart enough, they should just draft him at 3.
Giant need the number three player drafted to make an immediate impact on the field. That ain’t Sanders. It’s either Hunter or Carter.
Big Blue should make a move with their second round pick, trade up five or six spots into late first round, and grab Dart! I think he’s already better than Cutlets….with a ceiling to be a potential starter next year!
Big Blue should make a move with their second round pick, trade up five or six spots into late first round, and grab Dart! I think he’s already better than Cutlets….with a ceiling to be a potential starter next year!
Dart ain’t worth a number three pick. He may not even be worth a first round pick. It’s already a stretch for the Giants to trade up from Round two to get him at 28 or 29, let alone taking him with the third overall pick. That would get Joe Schoen run right out of New York!
I dunno, maybe. It would be a another questionable decision, but it wouldn't get him immediately run out of town. He's getting this season no matter what and he needs to win, to some extent, no matter what.
Beyond that, if Dart is good next year, whether he is drafted at #3 or at #28 is unimportant. Same if he is bad.
Pretty literal to say "no one". All it takes is a few out of 32 to love Sanders and want to move up.
Is Ward really rated that much higher then Sanders? Even if he is, is he really worthy of a top 3 pick?
The "everyone hates Shedeur" theme being run into the ground isn't accurate. A good number of media/fans hate the Sanders' family and they decorate it with rotating, vague assessments that are treated as "well informed." Shedeur wears his hat backwards and is "brash and disruptive". The Sanders people have always been very respectful of Colorado people. When Deion pops-offs its practically always about the media - a reason they don't like him.
Seen Mahomes vs Philly sacked six times with 2 INTs? KC gave up on running so Mahomes was under pressure the whole game because Eagles knew to pass rush every play and have DBs play back. That's how Shedeur played all season (#134 for run) but Shedeur was still top 5 for all stats and the leader for completion @ 74 %.
Wehn Shedeur throws a 40 yd pass that goes low and flat instead of arcing up to Starlink and most fans wont notice such things on TV. A lot of guys can throw 60yds if the pass goes up into space along the way. I don't know if Giants like Shedeur but I don't think they see him as a stiff to dismiss.
I think of the misses as part of the Ron Dayne Syndrome. Dayne had great stats at Wisconsin but when you looked at the highlight films he was usually running through massive holes from great blocking. But stats and awards said he was "a lock" when he wasn't. Same for John Hicks - won the Lambert Trophy and was runner-up for Heisman so he must be a lock.
GMs and coaches who don't have strong insight into players like to rely on press and stats if the pick backfires. Pacheco didn't have great game stats but when he broke 4.4 during a great combine (27 reps on bench) he came with CYA bust insurance.
Guys like Flowers, Hernandez, Thomas, Evan Neal had all the great size and strength stats but they couldn't move well enough to deal with all the Marvel defenders running like WRs and all juiced-up (ex Pro Bowl Army OT said).
Yeah- I buy into the pre draft talk all the time...GM's are always telling the truth just prior to the draft lol
I am not sure if I like Dart more but don't like Sanders enough at 3. If we stay at 3- would rather see Hunter or Carter. But if we could find someone that really does one of the top 2 QB's at number 3...trade down and hope you still get a stud impact, day one player and a QB.
That is the smarter move if it can be achieved. But I agree with #3. They will get an impact player there and they need them on defense.
The reality is that any GM that relies on a 40 time or how many times a guy benches 225...should be fired.
There is almost "never" a time that anyone is running a straight line without being touched and allowed to run in perfect form in a football game. And no one is lifting 225 in a game. You got a 250-320 lb DL coming at you and either you can block them or you cant.
No I would expect them to make a pick for the long term future …show promise next year and keep their jobs that way.
To Raiders for their #6 and a 3rd round pick this year or 2rd rounder next year would be nice and take Dart with the 6
For what it's worth, Tiki and Evan both said today they don't think Dart is around after the top 10. They both agreed he won't slip past nine.
Russell Wilson could become the Giants’ first black quarterback to start a season opener🗽
For the last 100 years, the Giants have had only white quarterbacks start Week 1.
For the last 100 years, the Giants have had only white quarterbacks start Week 1.
Did you mean a nun story? Russell Wilson doesn’t strike me a someone who’s gone through Discernment and Aspirancy.
Daddy isn't exactly helping his son's draft status, just sayin. https://brobible.com/sports/article/shedeur-sanders-nfl-draft-deion-pull-an-eli-block-teams/?
ESPN and others have racialized QB position to ridiculous degree
Giants scouting physical Rutgers running back at local pro day
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Saw that, he’s the only one to have him that high. Kiper posts more for clicks now then anything else.
Ya, I know he's a big name, not sure really how reputable he is these days, I went through his recent draft big boards, and it's pretty much consensus stuff.
Last year he had Williams #1oa. Daniels #2. Maye #6.
Young #2- Levis #4 Stroud #5.
The Simms podcast with Phil and I think Matt, they were raving about Ward after his pro day. Just loving his ability to throw the ball.
Sanders had yet to have his pro day.
Phil did like the Louisville kid though I stopped listening so not sure where he thought he should be drafted.
Sanders had yet to have his pro day.
Phil did like the Louisville kid though I stopped listening so not sure where he thought he should be drafted.
Pro days shouldn't move a player much. The QB's throw to there own WR's that they have been practicing with for years. No defense at all.
That being said Ward is the only QB I would want at #3 overall. If not I want Carter, Hunter or Graham.
Most draft analysts who actually watch film have Sanders as a day 2 pick.
Travis Hunter or Shedeur Sanders: The choice the NY Giants might have to make at No. 3
NY Giants will have an influential contingent at Colorado Pro Day on Friday where they will watch targets QB Shedeur Sanders and CB/WR Travis Hunter.
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Travis Hunter or Shedeur Sanders: The choice the NY Giants might have to make at No. 3
NY Giants will have an influential contingent at Colorado Pro Day on Friday where they will watch targets QB Shedeur Sanders and CB/WR Travis Hunter.
www.mycentraljersey.com
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