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OT: Age appropriate spanking?

This Board has become an absolute disgrace...there arent many outlets to discuss Rutgers Football and apparently this board isnt one either.... It gotten out of hand and people seriously need to start takin this crap to the OT board or get a life and go out and socialize...dont give me no crap about it being dead season in the summer...we are two weeks away from training camp, a month away from the season... Even duggan put out a small article on every incoming freshman, none of which were discussed on the board...and then you wonder why people say our fans suck
 
This Board has become an absolute disgrace...there arent many outlets to discuss Rutgers Football and apparently this board isnt one either.... It gotten out of hand and people seriously need to start takin this crap to the OT board or get a life and go out and socialize...dont give me no crap about it being dead season in the summer...we are two weeks away from training camp, a month away from the season... Even duggan put out a small article on every incoming freshman, none of which were discussed on the board...and then you wonder why people say our fans suck
I originally posted this on the current events board and they saw fit to move it here!
 
Venting... Cant find anything good to read on this team...i come here to read and discuss Rutgers Football and most come here to socialize about some awful topic...should have started with a "no offense" but as a Rutgers Football board we and the mods need to step it up
 
This Board has become an absolute disgrace...there arent many outlets to discuss Rutgers Football and apparently this board isnt one either.... It gotten out of hand and people seriously need to start takin this crap to the OT board or get a life and go out and socialize...dont give me no crap about it being dead season in the summer...we are two weeks away from training camp, a month away from the season... Even duggan put out a small article on every incoming freshman, none of which were discussed on the board...and then you wonder why people say our fans suck
So, what you're saying is that you think beating the piss out of one's kids is okay? So that they don't grow up and become part of making a message board a disgrace?
 
I originally posted this on the current events board and they saw fit to move it here!
Strange and wonder why it would be moved.
Guess it didn't fit in politically and this board is the catch-all :popcorn:
 
This was my experience...growing up in the '80s. I maybe got spanked two or three times and while I don't recall any real physical pain as I'm sure my dad didn't spank me very hard, it was the feeling of disappointing him that stayed with me.

I think it is fine to let a kid know that they have acted inappropriately and that spanking gets that message across. I would never advocate beating your child, but rolling up a newspaper and putting a kid over your knee, or spanking them with your hand is fine...although I wouldn't recommend doing so as a reactionary means, but doing so when the adult is fully in control of their emotions.

A mild swat on the backside with an open hand ( the same hand used to embrace your child ) is hardly the same as a vicious whipping with a belt or a switch. But it delivers the appropriate message that the child needs to immediately stop the offending behavior. And in most cases the child gets the message that the time for negotiation is over and the time for behavior accountability on his part begins.
 
Venting... Cant find anything good to read on this team...i come here to read and discuss Rutgers Football and most come here to socialize about some awful topic...should have started with a "no offense" but as a Rutgers Football board we and the mods need to step it up
Do you think the OT posts cause there to be fewer FB posts? If you didn't like the topic, then why are you reading and posting in the thread?
 
We would get the ruler to the butt, when we got older we might get a backhand from dad with his world series ring, it would leave an NY in your cheek.
Don't ever sass mom!

I gotta tell ya, Zap, the World Series NY imprint on the cheek has about as much cachet to it as any physical punishment I can imagine.

I got a belt from time to time, and the warning of the belt about once a month (and I was a pretty good kid). I lived a bit in fear of my father, but he was a great father in a number of other important respects.

My two kids got a spank a couple of times when they were little, and then I said to myself, "What the hell are you doing?" and it ended.

We're all a product of our environments to a degree. The only clear model of parenting we have is from our parents. I always had trouble understanding why my Dad was (in my eyes) pretty harsh with us.

The nicest thing my Dad ever said to me was when he was visiting us and my boy Ben was about 8. While goofing around, he crashed into my stereo setup sending things flying. I yelled out, "Benjamin!" He turned around to see what level of trouble he was in, but I just started tickling him. There was no evil intent, just being clumsy. I said, "Help me get this back together and watch where you are running." We all three laughed over it. After Ben went off for other adventures, my Dad turned to me and said, "I wish you had been my Dad."

Brought a lot of things into focus for me. If you're a young parent, discipline is good. But you don't need to hit your kids and you'll regret every time you did. What you need to do is work really hard at being a parent. Reinforce good behaviour, explain bad behaviour, reward a lot, punish a little when necessary.

The goal is not to have the best behaved kids all the time for public presentation; the goal is to have adult kids who are well-adjusted and look back on their childhoods as a wonderful time.
 
I'll end my participation in this thread with I did a heck of a lot of things that would have gotten a lot of kids beat, but I wasn't...stealing lawn mowers, tossing smoke bombs in cars, throwing eggs at houses, stealing hockey sticks from the rink, on and on. Those were met with chores or the threat of what ever sport was in season taken away.
But disrespecting mom, nope, ain't happening while dads home.
 
This Board has become an absolute disgrace...there arent many outlets to discuss Rutgers Football and apparently this board isnt one either.... It gotten out of hand and people seriously need to start takin this crap to the OT board or get a life and go out and socialize...dont give me no crap about it being dead season in the summer...we are two weeks away from training camp, a month away from the season... Even duggan put out a small article on every incoming freshman, none of which were discussed on the board...and then you wonder why people say our fans suck

Probably beaten repeatedly as a child.
 
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Life will teach your children the lessons they didn't learn at home. Better they learn at home rather than when they are out on their own. Better for us as parents as well.
Totally agree with this statement and he's right. Sometimes a simple yelling at will not get through to a kid. I know I was one of those kids. But when my mother hit me boy did I pay attention.
 
We would get the ruler to the butt, when we got older we might get a backhand from dad with his world series ring, it would leave an NY in your cheek.
Don't ever sass mom!
With my Dad, I could duck and maybe he wouldn't land a solid blow. With your Dad,even if you ducked, I am sure he still connected solid.
 
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Italian Family...... Mom had a wooden spoon and not afraid to use it. Dad was a sweetheart. My own kids were rarely spanked but if they went in the street as toddlers they were given a swipe to the rear to impress upon them the danger. I can remember one time though that my young teenage son had to be "corrected" for being a total bitch to my wife. Both older now and great kids.
 
Do you think the OT posts cause there to be fewer FB posts? If you didn't like the topic, then why are you reading and posting in the thread?


I think many of of the ot threads started are exremely useless such as this one... Many of the ot threads push football ones down and onto next pages where they get lost and dont get the attention they deserve...most of you dont even respond to the football threads but stupid threads like this get many responses...people can attack me all they want but im not wrong this is a rutgers football forum why u come here to talk about spanking kids is beyond me...
 
Once you raise your hand to a child in anger, YOU have lost the battle. All spanking does, is teach the child that physical confrontation is how you settle problems.

Respect is the best weapon a parent can ever have. And, you have to earn that!
 
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Worked in a boy's camp and had kids of my own 99% of the time alight slap on the butt is more then enough even just the threat is enough but there is that one built in hellion who needs a rule of absolute authority and a spanking is appropriate (depending on age after a point the fear or the actual spanking may be beyond its usefulness)
 
I think many of of the ot threads started are exremely useless such as this one... Many of the ot threads push football ones down and onto next pages where they get lost and dont get the attention they deserve...most of you dont even respond to the football threads but stupid threads like this get many responses...people can attack me all they want but im not wrong this is a rutgers football forum why u come here to talk about spanking kids is beyond me...

Because this is more than a Rutgers football forum. This is a Rutgers sports fan community.

And, like it or not, the free football board is the primary community board. There is really no OT board, only a political clubhouse board - the only time a thread gets moved to our "current events" board is when it gets so toxic or political that it has to be quarantined.

This is also the off season. If the board was limited to football-only posts, threads would be sparse and traffic to the site would dry up over the summer. Your feeling that the football posts get lost and don't get the attention they deserve? Even if they were the only threads on the site, they'd also get little attention right now - because there's just not that much to talk about in mid-July. The RU football board is one of the most thriving on Rivals *because* it is a community of fans that keep coming back to interact with each other even when there isn't any football news.
 
I think many of of the ot threads started are exremely useless such as this one... Many of the ot threads push football ones down and onto next pages where they get lost and dont get the attention they deserve...most of you dont even respond to the football threads but stupid threads like this get many responses...people can attack me all they want but im not wrong this is a rutgers football forum why u come here to talk about spanking kids is beyond me...
And if you had a personal problem or you were seeking advise on any subject…this community would all do their best to direct you and help you in any way they could.
Despite the fact you often break into OT threads and make personal comments about the OP, whomever it is.
 
Spanking children teaches them that violence resolves problems. Maybe they will listen, but that lesson will carry to disputes in school. Dad hit me and I stopped, so hitting fellow student who I don't like will stop him too. Is that the lesson you want to teach your children?

OTOH, talking to them, explaining what the issue was, why it was bad, that lesson will carry over and he or she will then take that lesson with them for their lifetime. I can remember what I did wrong the times my parents calmly discussed my actions with me versus the times I got hit, where I could never remember what I did.
 
Dad never hit me - didn't have to - saw him lay my big brother out (he was 14 and I was 8) at the dinner table with a swift backhand for talking back to my mom. He was actually knocked unconscious for a few seconds and my mom screamed at him (they divorced about a year later) for it. My mom beat me three times, twice with a belt (for talking back one time and for tearing shingles off the roof and throwing them at passing cars another time) and once with an extension cord (for "running away" for the day).

Can't say I felt traumatized by the beatings (I'm sure it would've hurt a lot more if it were my dad), but I also knew I didn't want to parent like that. So I never hit my son growing up, other than maybe grabbing his arm to make sure I got his attention when I was going to scold/lecture him. He seems to have turned out ok, with a real sense for right and wrong.
 
Dad never hit me - didn't have to - saw him lay my big brother out (he was 14 and I was 8) at the dinner table with a swift backhand for talking back to my mom. He was actually knocked unconscious for a few seconds and my mom screamed at him (they divorced about a year later) for it. My mom beat me three times, twice with a belt (for talking back one time and for tearing shingles off the roof and throwing them at passing cars another time) and once with an extension cord (for "running away" for the day).

Can't say I felt traumatized by the beatings (I'm sure it would've hurt a lot more if it were my dad), but I also knew I didn't want to parent like that. So I never hit my son growing up, other than maybe grabbing his arm to make sure I got his attention when I was going to scold/lecture him. He seems to have turned out ok, with a real sense for right and wrong.

Numbers, Have to say I laughed out loud at "for tearing shingles off the roof and throwing them at passing cars....). I used to do that with crab apples when I was six years old. Could barely get them out to the street (I was no Yogi). Why the hell do we do such weird things as kids?

As to OT topics, they are the lifeblood and the entertainment of this board! Once the season gets closer, the ration of OT to Football topics will reverse. For now, there's just not a huge amount of stuff going on.
 
Numbers, Have to say I laughed out loud at "for tearing shingles off the roof and throwing them at passing cars....). I used to do that with crab apples when I was six years old. Could barely get them out to the street (I was no Yogi). Why the hell do we do such weird things as kids?

As to OT topics, they are the lifeblood and the entertainment of this board! Once the season gets closer, the ration of OT to Football topics will reverse. For now, there's just not a huge amount of stuff going on.

Yep, did some really dumb shit. The full story is that me and a friend, when we were about 11, climbed up on our roof and kept tearing up shingles and throwing them at passing cars (they fly really well, lol). Near the end of this, my friend fell off the roof from about 15 feet up and somehow didn't suffer a scratch. We then started throwing the shingles that were on the ground at each other and one of them smashed one of our window panes (my throw, of course).

My mom came home from work about 15 minutes later and asked what the hell all those shingles were doing on the ground. Of course, I tried a lame lie and said some kids must've thrown them there. She then looked up at a big bare spot on the roof and I was busted. After beating the crap out of me, she made me gather up all the shingles and renail them on the roof. Unfortunately, I wasn't very good at it and the roof leaked during the next rainstorm, costing her money to fix. Needless to say, she wasn't happy with me around then. Good thing my then 14-year old sister was then caught taking her car out late at night with her friends - took the heat off me for awhile.
 
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As a parent, I would never even think about using physical discipline. Maybe because my parents never did that or the fact that I have a daughter. I'm just not wired that way and I would never want my girl to think it is okay for a man to hit her, father or anyone else. No, no, no.
 
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As a parent, I would never even think about using physical discipline. Maybe because my parents never did that or the fact that I have a daughter. I'm just not wired that way and I would never want my girl to think it is okay for a man to hit her, father or anyone else. No, no, no.
Good on ya, t.
 
Yep, did some really dumb shit. The full story is that me and a friend, when we were about 11, climbed up on our roof and kept tearing up shingles and throwing them at passing cars (they fly really well, lol). Near the end of this, my friend fell off the roof from about 15 feet up and somehow didn't suffer a scratch. We then started throwing the shingles that were on the ground at each other and one of them smashed one of our window panes (my throw, of course).

My mom came home from work about 15 minutes later and asked what the hell all those shingles were doing on the ground. Of course, I tried a lame lie and said some kids must've thrown them there. She then looked up at a big bare spot on the roof and I was busted. After beating the crap out of me, she made me gather up all the shingles and renail them on the roof. Unfortunately, I wasn't very good at it and the roof leaked during the next rainstorm, costing her money to fix. Needless to say, she wasn't happy with me around then. Good thing my then 14-year old sister was then caught taking her car out late at night with her friends - took the heat off me for awhile.

Great story Numbers!
 
And if you had a personal problem or you were seeking advise on any subject…this community would all do their best to direct you and help you in any way they could.
Despite the fact you often break into OT threads and make personal comments about the OP, whomever it is.


Sure cus thats whats happens to people when they share personal problems on here....half the time they get attacked and ridiculed...ask the guy who started the thread about his drunkdriving brother who was let go by the police... U guys act like its all roses when there are alot of pos posters here... Ive been called a lot of horrible things here, do i care, no its an internet message board...that people think it is a community says alot about their social skills and explains why they need to come here to discuss watever crap they are
 
This Board has become an absolute disgrace...there arent many outlets to discuss Rutgers Football and apparently this board isnt one either.... It gotten out of hand and people seriously need to start takin this crap to the OT board or get a life and go out and socialize...dont give me no crap about it being dead season in the summer...we are two weeks away from training camp, a month away from the season... Even duggan put out a small article on every incoming freshman, none of which were discussed on the board...and then you wonder why people say our fans suck

Probably beaten repeatedly as a child.

Absolute disgrace? Sorry, this board has long been more than just a football board. Its a community where RU fans discuss all kinds of topics. If I don't want to read about that topic, I don't click on the thread, real simple.

I want to read about football, and if I had something to post I would, otherwise, others should post what they can, but the truth is sometimes there just isn't that much to talk about off season.

Very shortly when camp opens, and position battles start, there will be a lot more to talk about.

But by all means, if you have a football related item, please feel free to post rather than denigrate the posters.
 
I think I may have slapped the back of my kids hands only once or twice and each time it was because of them doing something dangerous.
I don't think I ever even considered raising my hand to them while I was angry for any reason. I also was not like many of these wishy washy parents who let their kids get away with crap either. They were always taught to be well behaved and know when they should be in a conversation or not. If they did something wrong- punishment did happen and it was fair and swift. Only after, did I have the long conversation with them. Drives me crazy to see parents of young children trying to have a long conversation with a 2 year old as the kid IS acting up. No need to hit or spank the kid but you do need to show them there is a punishment for their actions.

I used to get the following comments from my friends who had unruly kids..."oh, you are so lucky to have such well behaved kids"...lucky my ass- it took a lot of work to have well behaved kids.
 
Spanking children teaches them that violence resolves problems. Maybe they will listen, but that lesson will carry to disputes in school. Dad hit me and I stopped, so hitting fellow student who I don't like will stop him too. Is that the lesson you want to teach your children?

OTOH, talking to them, explaining what the issue was, why it was bad, that lesson will carry over and he or she will then take that lesson with them for their lifetime. I can remember what I did wrong the times my parents calmly discussed my actions with me versus the times I got hit, where I could never remember what I did.

I don't know if a agree with this.

I was spanked pretty often as a kid and in 31 years of life have never been in a physical altercation with anyone. I would also bet that there are many instances where the opposite occurs as well.

I'm not saying I approve of spanking or plan to do it with my own kid, but I think the spanking leads to physical violence thing is overblown.
 
Spare the rod, spoil the child.

The right and wrong of it resides in the utilization.

I received a good hard spanking a few times growing up and instantly became a better person from it. It also served as a potent restraining influence against doing things that I was sure my parents wouldn't approve of - things I shouldn't be doing but probably would have anyway if I believed there would be no consequences.

Spanking utilized the right way is extremely effective. It's when the parent spanks as a means to vent their own anger that it becomes abusive.
 
So, what you're saying is that you think beating the piss out of one's kids is okay? So that they don't grow up and become part of making a message board a disgrace?

Your story missed the point completely. Irrational physical punishment without any sane reasoning behind it did not work on you so that means corporal punishment doesn't work?

No one here is suggesting corporal punishment is the only solution. I just think there should be a reasonable level of such punishment allowed when used reasonably.
 
I don't know if a agree with this.

I was spanked pretty often as a kid and in 31 years of life have never been in a physical altercation with anyone. I would also bet that there are many instances where the opposite occurs as well.

I'm not saying I approve of spanking or plan to do it with my own kid, but I think the spanking leads to physical violence thing is overblown.

I'm not sure I agree w/this. My anecdotal story is pretty different from yours.

I was spanked a lot too, much of the time in anger. But unlike you, I was in lots of fights from about forth grade all the way up until my early 30s. I wasn't a bully and generally didn't start the fights. But I had a hair-trigger temper. I think it would be safe to say I was fairly predisposed towards violence and most any excuse would do.

I'm older now, and I've long since learned to control my temper and my tendency towards violence. But I can tell you it never really goes away. It's always there; it's just under control.

My kids (youngest is 17 now) were raised without spanking or violent anger. Like you, none of them has been in a fight. They don't show any of my predisposition towards violence (although they seem happy enough to be physically aggressive in sports).

So in my case, I tend to think that my violent upbringing had something to do with my violent tendencies. If it was genetics, then at least one of my kids would show the same violent tendencies. But they don't.

Is my anecdote more representative than yours? I don't know. I think the only real way to know would be to look up statistics and reports on the subject.
 
So, what you're saying is that you think beating the piss out of one's kids is okay? So that they don't grow up and become part of making a message board a disgrace?

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Your story missed the point completely. Irrational physical punishment without any sane reasoning behind it did not work on you so that means corporal punishment doesn't work?

No one here is suggesting corporal punishment is the only solution. I just think there should be a reasonable level of such punishment allowed when used reasonably.

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Once you raise your hand to a child in anger, YOU have lost the battle. All spanking does, is teach the child that physical confrontation is how you settle problems.

Respect is the best weapon a parent can ever have. And, you have to earn that!

This is the intellectual approach, probably some truth to it, but an occasional spanking with an open hand isn't necessarily going to make a kid into a person who uses physical violence to solve problems. If this was true, half the people in the world would resort to violence every time they had a disagreement with somebody and we know this doesn't happen.

I am not talking about beating with a belt or closed fist, but a few open hand spanks.

Occasional Spanking does not equal "losing the battle"
 
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