This story makes me glad that we have a no nonsense Capricorn guy at the helm of our football team.
OT: Baylor Fires Art Briles
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Are there 6 players left on the Football team?
I'm curious as well, but believe the NCAA was too lenient with Penn St and didn't do enough
because they wanted the issue settled quickly.
I think the NCAA should get involved in Baylor's inaction and should have learned from it's handling of the Penn St cover-up that caused the sanctions to be amended because of the pressure put on the weak NCAA leadership that caused the NCAA to back off from keeping the sanctions fully in place.
I'm glad to see a Penn St supporter want the NCAA involved in this Baylor mess.
When it was Penn St most of the Penn St fans posting here claimed it was outside the NCAA's jurisdiction and the NCAA should stay out of it.
Also glad to see a Penn St fan implying the NCAA had every right to sanction Penn St and should do the same to Baylor.
If only Baylor had the kind of cult fandom that exists at Penn State, I can imagine the debates... weighing Briles and Paterno's respective reporting obligations, and each schools' fans claiming that their own school's independent investigation was more unfairly slanted.
Huh? I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.
The sanctions against Penn State were not warranted. They were initiated in part because the NCAA had a chance to grandstand in an environment at the time of intense scrutiny surrounding both it and the Sandusky case, and in part because the PSU BoT felt it would be better served to take some medicine, hope the problem went away, and avoid potentially going through the actual infractions process, which likely would have left a cloud over the program for years. Given that the NCAA slowly loosed the sanctions, and they were eventually fully overturned, I think it is inarguable that the NCAA overstepped its bounds.
What I'm curious to see is, after the PSU mess, will the NCAA be gun-shy in its dealings with Baylor if it's determined NCAA violations were committed, which would seem to be the case if we're going to trust today's report? Again, any abuse, whether committed against a child or a college student, is terrible, but as they relate to the NCAA the situations ARE different, whether people want to acknowledge that or not. This case involves suppressing sexual assault allegations to keep players on the field, directly impacting the outcomes of games. It also appears to involve a number of Title IX violations. The NCAA's investigation, if it chooses to undertake one, will be interesting to follow.
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People are thinking of Saundusky, but I'm surprised that no one in this thread has mentioned how Baylor already had to deal with the fall out from a basketball coach that tried to cover up events surrounding a murder (Dave Bliss), so someone in their system wasn't going to stand for a football coach that was covering up sexual assault once it was thoroughly investigated.
In an ideal world, the NCAA would level sanctions in excess of what was given to PSU.
But this isn't an ideal world and the NCAA has to answer to their dollar God and the public at large.
That being the case, I hardly think the NCAA would want to impose the death penalty on a school/team that just dropped hundreds of millions into brand new facilities.
Further, (IMO) society has become somewhat desensitized to football players treating women badly. It just doesn't move the media/sensationalism dial in the way an old coach molesting underage boys does.
But this isn't an ideal world and the NCAA has to answer to their dollar God and the public at large.
That being the case, I hardly think the NCAA would want to impose the death penalty on a school/team that just dropped hundreds of millions into brand new facilities.
Further, (IMO) society has become somewhat desensitized to football players treating women badly. It just doesn't move the media/sensationalism dial in the way an old coach molesting underage boys does.
I don't want to say never, but I find it highly unlikely a major college program will ever be hit with the death penalty again. It impacts too many other stakeholders - TV networks, conferences, other programs, apparel companies, etc. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just that it is what it is.
I'm not sure what to expect in terms of sanctions for Baylor. Given the comments from the university that it intends to cooperate fully with the NCAA, I wouldn't be surprised if Baylor is able to negotiate its sanctions outside of the normal infractions process, a la Penn State. Of course, this is the NCAA we're talking about, so your guess is as good as mine.
Sanctimony in the extreme. Baylor prides itself on being such a "moral" paradigm of the Baptist church and its values, but I guess it values football more than the well-being of its non-football playing students. Disgusting and 10 years ago, nothing would have happened.
That's why people shouldn't be judged favorably merely due to their loud professions of piety or wearing a cross, star of David or other symbol of their devotion to a religion. All that matters is conduct, not professing that JC is your personal savior, praying the rosary or keeping Kosher and wearing all black, etc.. and thinking that that makes all OK. What happened at oh-so-pious Baylor, where everyone falls over each other to demonstrate that they love the lord more than anyone else, is the best example but there are many others ranging from Jimmy Swaggart to the Southern Baptist churches themselves, which were key bulwarks of southern segregation
Thankfully the landscape is changing in this regard and brutal jerks who happen to be football players, and their high-salaried protectors, at least more than in the past, are being held accountable.
That's why people shouldn't be judged favorably merely due to their loud professions of piety or wearing a cross, star of David or other symbol of their devotion to a religion. All that matters is conduct, not professing that JC is your personal savior, praying the rosary or keeping Kosher and wearing all black, etc.. and thinking that that makes all OK. What happened at oh-so-pious Baylor, where everyone falls over each other to demonstrate that they love the lord more than anyone else, is the best example but there are many others ranging from Jimmy Swaggart to the Southern Baptist churches themselves, which were key bulwarks of southern segregation
Thankfully the landscape is changing in this regard and brutal jerks who happen to be football players, and their high-salaried protectors, at least more than in the past, are being held accountable.
Ken Starr, Larry Craig, Dennis Hastert, they should get the whole gang back together...over 200 feet from schools and playgrounds
Ken Starr has a long history of being a douche bag. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
Starr was demoted from President to Chancellor (a position he already had while President) and the AD was disciplined but remains the AD, only the HC lost his job.
