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OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more

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I hate to think money and/or fame matter, but they probably do, as there was no other reason for Christie or Giuliani to get this treatment (the POTUS absolutely was entitled to get it).
They both "deserved" the treatment based on age and other health conditions, but no more so than many other Americans. Who they are definitely mattered. They were able to get admitted to hospitals early in the disease course because of who they are.
 
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Gee that’s a great idea portable facilities like maybe set up the
Javits center or in New Jersey say in Edison at the Convention Hall... or how about hospital ships inFlorida , California , NY ... Man it’s like I’m dreaming the up ...
 
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Sorry to hear about this. From everything I'm seeing, this is very common in many parts of the country right now. Hospitals are dealing with a LOT of very sick covid patients so those who aren't "very sick" (which is a term whose meaning is constantly changing) are basically sent home and told to come back if they can't breathe.

Seeing stories from front line doctors/nurses about people with pulse ox of 90 or lower who are sent home with o2 tanks. A few months ago these people would have been admitted. Now...no room at the inn. This is not a good time to get sick with covid or anything else.

Doctors all over are saying the antibody treatments are mostly sitting on shelves. Don't have the time or staff to use them on patients who could most likely be helped the most. We should really have special facilities set up and perhaps staffed by military HCW to administer this stuff.

Best wishes for your father.
 
Can his doctor try to get the antibody cocktail? Not sure if this must be administered at the hospital, but the stupid thing is that people who need it are not people who are in the hospital. It’s too late at that point. Your doctor should call his contexts at the hospital, say that he has a situation that warrants the antibody cocktail, and he should get it. End of story. Maddening it’s so difficult.
It’s for non hospitalized people. My sense is per numbers account on the limited doses that they don’t have a concrete protocol to administer so it’s sitting on shelves except for those in the know who are connected.
 
Sure makes total sense ....something that may benefit people sitting idol why they needlessly die.
 
You can blame on the lack of a national plan and direction. Leaving it up to states in a piecemeal fashion like everything other than a vaccine.
No I blame it on one side diverting and unable to show any concern... you know them well... now we’ll see how the new plan takes over...,lockdowns, restrictions , media mis info... then tell us about piecemeal fashion and National plan directions.It’s in your ballpark now.... He’s going to need it... Hell .... forgot he has Fauci too and Birx... good luck 😜
 
No I blame on one side diverting and unable to show any concern... you know them well... now we’ll see how the new plan takes over...,lockdowns, restrictions , media mis info... then tell us about piecemeal fashion and National plan directions.It’s in you our ballpark now.
Lol ok
 
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My good friends wife got the Pfizer vaccine on Friday. No issues whatsoever. She’s a nurse here in Charleston county, SC. My friend is a nurse at the VA and he’s scheduled for just after Xmas. I believe he’ll be getting the Moderna vaccine. I’ll report back if anything changes. This is probably the 5th person in my area that I know that’s gotten the shot already with zero adverse effects.
 
As per my long post above, most virologists don't think any of the variants, including the UK one, will be less susceptible to the vaccine response, but eventually (probably in a few years, not tomorrow), there may be some cumulative set of mutations that lead to reduced vaccine efficacy. The BioNTech CEO also reassured people today that the new variant is very unlikely to "escape" the vaccine (and they were the ones who invented the mRNA vaccine, not Pfizer).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-biontech-idUSKBN28V2M3

The good news there, as per that tweet thread I posted, is that once a new variant has been sequenced, especially in the RBD (receptor binding domain - spike protein, which is what the vaccines target), developing a new mRNA sequence (for mRNA vaccines, like Moderna/Pfizer) or for spike protein carrying viral vectors vaccines (like Astra-Zeneca/J&J) or complementary protein/antibody vaccines (Novavax) to attack that new sequence should not be that difficult to develop and roll out in several months, like is done for the flu every year (without repeating all the clinical trials - for CV, a phase III repeat vs. the existing vaccine, might be required - not sure).

These updates should also be much easier to implement with these vaccines than they are with flu vaccines. The Times article below summarizes this and many other issues with this new variant well. The bottom line, to quote Kevin Bacon's character in Animal House, is "remain calm!"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/health/coronavirus-britain-variant.html
Thank you ... for posting this information ... I ... really appreciate it ... its unfortunate to see this thread get political ... but everyone is an "expert" now ... in spite of my purposefull piss poor grammer ... I do appreciate this info ... I literally opened this ... as I had a hunch there would be details on the UK strain ... didnt expect to have to sift through 6 pages of ... ... ... ... ... ... ... an other nonsensical rants to get unbiased info on the new strain. Thank you again. Much appreciated!
 
Thank you ... for posting this information ... I ... really appreciate it ... its unfortunate to see this thread get political ... but everyone is an "expert" now ... in spite of my purposefull piss poor grammer ... I do appreciate this info ... I literally opened this ... as I had a hunch there would be details on the UK strain ... didnt expect to have to sift through 6 pages of ... ... ... ... ... ... ... an other nonsensical rants to get unbiased info on the new strain. Thank you again. Much appreciated!
Same for me, I appreciate it just like the weather threads.

Both of these are important in their own right.
 
Thank you ... for posting this information ... I ... really appreciate it ... its unfortunate to see this thread get political ... but everyone is an "expert" now ... in spite of my purposefull piss poor grammer ... I do appreciate this info ... I literally opened this ... as I had a hunch there would be details on the UK strain ... didnt expect to have to sift through 6 pages of ... ... ... ... ... ... ... an other nonsensical rants to get unbiased info on the new strain. Thank you again. Much appreciated!
Same for me, I appreciate it just like the weather threads.

Both of these are important in their own right.
Thanks!!
 
They aren't the only one. So many still believe that 20 million will be vaccinated by the end of the year. Won't come close. And the future isn't looking good either.
The Trump supporters beat me up when I posted that only a fraction of the 20 million will vaccinated this year. Only about 500k were vaccinated for the first week. It’s a slower process than expected.
 
Many people are pushing back on the UK strain being as highly contagious as the media is highlighting. There have been many different strains and using this one as a panic story is puzzling. Just in time for Christmas I guess.
Many people are pushing back on the UK strain being as highly contagious as the media is highlighting. There have been many different strains and using this one as a panic story is puzzling. Just in time for Christmas I guess.

Oxford Scientist saying it’s impossible to determine this quickly and thinks UK may be saying this to defend their lockdown that failed.
 
The Trump supporters beat me up when I posted that only a fraction of the 20 million will vaccinated this year. Only about 500k were vaccinated for the first week. It’s a slower process than expected.
Yes. And we had seen it first in the UK before here. They got off to a very underwhelming start as well. People thought that it was just how fast it can be shipped out was the key. It's way harder than that. When they start talking about millions being vaccinated they simply didn't do the math at all. The amount of people needed to accomplish those numbers is staggering
 
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Yes. And we had seen it first in the UK before here. They got off to a very underwhelming start as well. People thought that it was just how fast it can be shipped out was the key. It's way harder than that. When they start talking about millions being vaccinated they simply didn't do the math at all. The amount of people needed to accomplish those numbers is staggering
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Since we are only doing in hospitals and care homes where CVS etc need to travel to, I would expect the pace to pickup up once they start vaccinating at their own facilities.
 

Since we are only doing in hospitals and care homes where CVS etc need to travel to, I would expect the pace to pickup up once they start vaccinating at their own facilities.
 
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They aren't the only one. So many still believe that 20 million will be vaccinated by the end of the year. Won't come close. And the future isn't looking good either.

And many believed that zero would be vaccinated by the end of 2020 and a vaccine would never be available in that short a time. Amazingly millions of doses are ready and being injected into arms all over the country! Who would have thought?
 
And many believed that zero would be vaccinated by the end of 2020 and a vaccine would never be available in that short a time. Amazingly millions of doses are ready and being injected into arms all over the country! Who would have thought?
I don't think anyone has said that in the last 6 months. Try to stay current.
 
And many believed that zero would be vaccinated by the end of 2020 and a vaccine would never be available in that short a time. Amazingly millions of doses are ready and being injected into arms all over the country! Who would have thought?

Our biotech and scientific community are doing amazing things. Decades of research partially funded by government grants but also private capital has made the US industry one of the best, just like tech. Amazing that these firms had this vaccine made in late Jan early Feb. technology was in place for plug and play once sequenced.
 
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Our biotech and scientific community are doing amazing things. Decades of research partially funded by government grants but also private capital has made the US industry one of the best, just like tech. Amazing that these firms had this vaccine made in late Jan early Feb. technology was in place for plug and play once sequenced.
The Pfizer vaccine started in Germany with BioNTech.

 
And many believed that zero would be vaccinated by the end of 2020 and a vaccine would never be available in that short a time. Amazingly millions of doses are ready and being injected into arms all over the country! Who would have thought?

Amazing job by doctors scientists, distributors, and the administration.
 
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The Pfizer vaccine started in Germany with BioNTech.


Yup, Moderna sequenced very early as well. But point taken that other advanced countries have strong science communities. Maybe it’s just tech that we crush everyone else in. Lol
 
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Yup, Moderna sequenced very early as well. But point taken that other advanced countries have strong science communities. Maybe it’s just tech that we crush everyone else in. Lol


Here is an article discussing the antibody cocktail challenges.

 
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Been that way since January. The lack of leadership has been mind boggling.
People believe what they want to believe. Thanks for the China travel ban early on, the field hospitals on the navy ship in NYC and Javitts, and operation warp speed. Try looking at positives once in a while and get your news from multiple sources. And it seems #'s only likes to chastise people when it does not fit his narrative.

BTW, Rep. Omar scolded AOC and other younger members of Congress for taking vaccines before the more needy people like the nursing home patients and elderly.
 
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