No because this thread is not supposed to have anything political in it. Unless you want this thread closed or banned from posting in here.
OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more
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No because this thread is not supposed to have anything political in it. Unless you want this thread closed or banned from posting in here.
Yeah what is this crap with NJ getting less vaccines as I have heard of certain hospitals running out of the vaccine and waiting for more doses; and why wouldn't NJ build these super vaccine centers ahead of time as I am in group 1A and who knows when those of us in group 1A will get our vaccines I am thinking mid January at this point which is totally unacceptable
It’s not political dear #’s ...I was asking a medical question ... should she or shouldn’t sheave been vaccinated before the MORE endangered members of society... I suggest you stop with this is a science blah blah blah...
Of course when you know you can’t honestly answer because you yourself know she should NOT made it a public show...
BTW: is that your way of saying if your on my side it’s ok but if you are questioning us we’ll call it political... ok 4 U but not for Me... you are the problem and not the solution to what is going on... Hey Merry Christmas 🌲🎄🎅🪓
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They want to be consistent. But to me, makes sense to keep people in a restaurant. You make money for the restaurant and 99% of them enforce the rules (must sit down, if you get up for the bathroom wear a mask) versus sending people to post 10pm parties where there will be no rules.
Whether that's people drinking or old friends in a diner, same thing.
Outdoor has no time cap. Which is useless now but will be great god forbid we're still doing this in April and May.
Lots of places are less restrictive than NJ, too. Isn't that what you guys have been complaining about all along?
Not sure how you can say they're trying to keep everybody inside after they've been encouraging everyone to hold gatherings outside, outdoor dining, etc. Even staying ar home isn't at all the same as staying inside in the dark.
Then stop calling them “stay at home orders”, “shelter in place orders” and “shutdowns”.
Hey Greg2020 how’s it going in Manhattan? Oh I forgot you’re not in the city... I knew you could not resist this thread... How’s Twinkie doing?
NJ is improving. Doesn’t seem like Murphy will close again.
I agree "shelter in place" has a stay indoors sound to it. But ...read the actual rules and guidelines. Personally, I've never been prevented or discouraged from going outside. If anything, I spent more time outside throughout the pandemic.
True. Again I live in NJ and since summer it’s been fine. But parks, playgrounds and golf courses have been closed in the spring and parks playgrounds and outdoor recreation are currently closed in other states as well.
No worries, and the post truly wasn't intended to be political. It goes to the aspect of getting people to accept that the vaccines are safe and effective. Actually, it would be nice to see older members of Congress such as Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, etc getting vaccinated to demonstrate that there is nothing to be afraid of.
There are overlapping medical science and social science issues to consider to get everyone on board with getting vaccinated. It has been no secret that one of the criteria to deploy the vaccines has been social policy, and that is a delicate social issue , especially in light of historical mistrust among African Americans of medical research. As you have said yourself, we are going to need widespread acceptance and participation of the vaccines to achieve herd immunity and eradicate covid-19. I can't apologize for what others say in reply to my posts.
I mean twaddle.... muy symptico amigo...
Shssssssh just let’s get this vaccine out to the country....
He doesn't have the nads to attempt to close again because next year someone is up for reelection.
Well it’s not Murphy that is helping drive the positives and deaths down...down to 1.0 ROI which should help ...it’s us ... the people of NJ... can’t wait for the vax to be distributed to teachers... then they can return to the classroom and kids can get back in school where they belong...or do they resist ?
Or he’s come to his senses that there’s no need to close. Or closing was the wrong thing to do. Who knows.
Perhaps it was not your intent, but posting a pic of AOC from a twitter thread full of vitriol for her, but not all of the other politicians getting the vaccine early, was almost a given to rile up some folks, which it did. I think everyone from Congress (and maybe high level WH/cabinet members) should and should do it publicly, to inspire confidence in the vaccine for their constituents, since they represent all of us and 538 vaccines are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the value of them all getting vaccinated (Pence, Mitch, Pelosi, Schumer and many others from Congress already have).
And while it would be great to have reasoned discussions about "delicate and difficult" issues where science and policy overlap, they simply never work on this board in any thread, as they devolve into shouting and namecalling, like every thread on the CE board. There are more than a few who would prefer at least this thread to remain science-focused, including the mods and Richie. If we can't do that, it'll be locked or moved to the CE board. That's why I asked you, since I figured you'd get it. Quite a few others won't.
No we all get it... you are so self indulging and believe because she was called out as expected the MSM and this board would claim her as a hero to the masses... I believe there are many of our leadership ( both sides) who would have been more than willing ... It was a show and only a show ... yet , you and some mods think it was just wonderful that she did take it how sad... this is exactly why moving the goalposts has become a common thing for some ... Schumer took the shot he’s 70 ... Pence took the shot... others from both parties have been vaccinated and I believe were eligible by age or being frontline, military...but you are correct I don’t like AOC ... someone who grew up in West Chester Scarsdale claiming to be one of the” people of color “ living in the Bronx and Queens ... Keep it non political...
I'm good with that, and it's funny how some people can't have a reasoned discussion on social issues. There may be some interesting hurdles to clear for some groups to accept the vaccine considering past history with medical science and trials. While not falling in that group, I have not made it a secret that I am more than a little wary and willing to wait to see how the first groups of people do with the vacccine. I have to see if certain first responders will be "required" to get the vaccine in order to continue to respond until the pandemic is under control. Still waiting to hear about availability and how it will be deployed.
I hope we all can get the vaccine by end of May...only problem is it ‘s not looking good for that ...many may getting end of July-August...
A bit of an update on my father. I am posting this because the process to deal with this for someone in the high risk category is chaotic and unclear. The promise of antibody cocktails appears to just be a promise. Day three and he now has a cough along with a temp and body aches. I convinced them to call an ambulance to bring him to the ER which was a waste of time. They came and advised that he isn’t sick enough. They Brought him to an ER facility but not a hospital. They checked him and sent him home with no meds. His GP is finally getting back to him to give him some meds but at this moment it hasn’t happened. He is 80 with a 30 year history of heart disease with mild to moderate symptoms. For the life of me I can’t understand how the antibody cocktails are not being utilized for someone in his category. Once he’s sick enough to go to the hospital, then he wouldn’t be eligible for the antibody cocktail. What’s the point and why is it only available for certain politicians and not the public as prescribed? Who is leading this? Hospitals have the drug but don’t seem to be issuing it.
No, you simply don't get it and you're one of the worst offenders in bringing politics to this thread. It's not about "me" as I would have this thread be a free-for-all if I thought it would stay open and on this board, as I dislike moderation, but I see their point and the point of many other posters, who wish this could just be an informative COVID science thread. And the mods have spoken countless times that they don't want all the CE-board style politics, bickering and namecalling or else they'll lock/move the thread and the only way I know to prevent that is to appeal to people's better nature to keep it scientific, since I'm not a mod.
Also, to your post, none of these politicians getting vaccinated right now would be "eligible" - the criteria right now are front-line health care workers and residents of long-term care facilities. So, Pence, AOC, McConnell, Schumer - all of them - are not "eligible," per se. But Congress has decided that every lawmaker should get vaccinated ASAP to preserve "government continuity." One can debate whether everyone from Congress should get vaccinated or none, but it should be all or none, IMO, so picking on AOC would be just as unfair as picking on McConnell. The White House is also vaccinating selected people in the Administration.
https://www.wqad.com/article/news/h...cine/507-8887c8ee-dc91-45cf-be03-328639c32f0a
Maybe there is a workaround. Does your father live close to you, and perhaps you could try the same from your town? I know that some hospitals and ERs have amubulances on full divert and are not taking patients. That could be the issue. If you are able to spend the money, you can try calling a private ambulance service, but you may want to check with his doctor to see if he can get him in somewhere. Someone did this for me once to get me into a hospital when they would not take me as a walk in. Basically, I was wheeled in by an ambulance from someone who knew people at the hospital, and they admitted me. This was not during a pandemic, but it worked. Sadly, sometimes you have to pull strings to even get urgent care. I wish you and your father the best.
Prayers to a speedy recovery for your dad.
I agree with numbers that all politicians who received the vaccine should have done it publicly like Pence. AOC and Biden. Small number in the grand scheme.
Please refrain from politics you have been warned.... mild sarcasm and sorry... by the way I’m pissed that the mods and the highly educated science gurus don’t realize that what you , I and several others have said is true... the board is just phony sometime....regarding my calling someone out is of course a foul and simply because she’s in politics ....it should not even be a question of moving it to the CE board...someone needs to help your Dad now ....not tomorrow , not next week but today ...it is a perfect example of why vaccinating a young politician is wrong...very wrong... and then people defending it by claiming “ showing her constituents” it’s safe...right we get it... Prayers for your dad...🪓🪓🪓🪓🇺🇸😘
AOC is a younger women ...should not have been vaccinated but could have been with the Older group ... it just sends a bad message to half the country.
The ambulance came but the hospitals are full with sicker patients, so they took him to an ER facility of some kind and promptly sent him home. My broader point is on the antibody cocktails. Based on guidance he qualifies but based it doesn’t appear to be part of any protocol of treatment. They apparently are waiting for someone to be sick enough to go to the hospital but then you are no longer eligible. Of course, you will be eligible for other treatments but what’s the point of the antibody treatment for mild symptoms to prevent hospital stays. Makes no sense.
They are in Florida and I live in the northeast. Also tried private ambulance service before the others came and they will not transport covid patients.
I'm sure it's frustrating, as your father seems like the perfect candidate for this treatment. I have a couple of friends with parents in similar situations, as well as a friend who's my age. The problem with the antibody cocktails is that there are only about 200-400K dose-regimens available and it's best for people early in the progression of the infection (before hospitalization), but we're seeing 200K positive cases per day now, meaning the doses won't last long although the linked article talks about low demand currently, which makes no sense to me. I assume they're probably reserving them for mildly ill patients with significant comorbidities, but I'm not 100% sure on that. I hate to think money and/or fame matter, but they probably do, as there was no other reason for Christie or Giuliani to get this treatment (the POTUS absolutely was entitled to get it).
https://www.wwlp.com/news/demand-is-low-for-covid-19-antibody-drugs-but-shortages-loom/
Can his doctor try to get the antibody cocktail? Not sure if this must be administered at the hospital, but the stupid thing is that people who need it are not people who are in the hospital. It’s too late at that point. Your doctor should call his contexts at the hospital, say that he has a situation that warrants the antibody cocktail, and he should get it. End of story. Maddening it’s so difficult.
As for Giuliani and Christie, keep in mind that the demand was much lower when they needed the cocktail. But money/fame and connections do matter in healthcare, just like many other things in this country.
As per my long post above, most virologists don't think any of the variants, including the UK one, will be less susceptible to the vaccine response, but eventually (probably in a few years, not tomorrow), there may be some cumulative set of mutations that lead to reduced vaccine efficacy. The BioNTech CEO also reassured people today that the new variant is very unlikely to "escape" the vaccine (and they were the ones who invented the mRNA vaccine, not Pfizer).
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-biontech-idUSKBN28V2M3
The good news there, as per that tweet thread I posted, is that once a new variant has been sequenced, especially in the RBD (receptor binding domain - spike protein, which is what the vaccines target), developing a new mRNA sequence (for mRNA vaccines, like Moderna/Pfizer) or for spike protein carrying viral vectors vaccines (like Astra-Zeneca/J&J) or complementary protein/antibody vaccines (Novavax) to attack that new sequence should not be that difficult to develop and roll out in several months, like is done for the flu every year (without repeating all the clinical trials - for CV, a phase III repeat vs. the existing vaccine, might be required - not sure).
These updates should also be much easier to implement with these vaccines than they are with flu vaccines. The Times article below summarizes this and many other issues with this new variant well. The bottom line, to quote Kevin Bacon's character in Animal House, is "remain calm!"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/health/coronavirus-britain-variant.html
Sorry to hear about this. From everything I'm seeing, this is very common in many parts of the country right now. Hospitals are dealing with a LOT of very sick covid patients so those who aren't "very sick" (which is a term whose meaning is constantly changing) are basically sent home and told to come back if they can't breathe.
Seeing stories from front line doctors/nurses about people with pulse ox of 90 or lower who are sent home with o2 tanks. A few months ago these people would have been admitted. Now...no room at the inn. This is not a good time to get sick with covid or anything else.
Doctors all over are saying the antibody treatments are mostly sitting on shelves. Don't have the time or staff to use them on patients who could most likely be helped the most. We should really have special facilities set up and perhaps staffed by military HCW to administer this stuff.
Best wishes for your father.
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